whats the logic in using H C G during the cycle

[5x10]

i really dont understand why you would do it as the logic of it doesnt make sense

let say you use it on week 6 of a 12 week cycle cause the nuts are shrinking

we know they are shrinking due to the abnormally high amts of test in our system

so around week 7, the nuts start to swell back up due to the h c g use

so you have 5 weeks left and you are supposed to use it every week until PCT - post cycle therapy -

i would think that over the 5-6 week period of using the h c g, your body would become less responsive to it like anything else

also, what effect does the excess test in your system have on your ability to fully recover during cycle?

-are they brought back to the original size, or just partially
- will the feedback loop on your own prodcution trump the h c g?

it just seems more logical to use it at the end of the cycle, when the massive amt of test will be leaving your system and the nuts wont shrink back up
plus, you should be more receptive to the H C G if its not used as often

IMO, H c g is used to recover, not to artifically keep your nuts large while on cycle

comments, opinions?

thanks!

 

[Mac173]

I use HCG for PCT rather than on cycle for the very reasons that you listed.
Scientifically I'm not sure exactly which way is better but I've always recovered fine that way so I see no reason to switch.

 

[r1]

Your body does not become less responsive to HCG after 5-6 weeks. If that were the case, its would not be possible to use it as HRT like many men do. I've run HCG for long periods of time (over a year at a time) and it definitely does not slow down. I'm a lightweight compared to a lot of the guys who have been on it for 5-10 years.

To your body, HCG looks like LH. LH is the signal to your balls to make Testosterone. Your balls making adequate amounts of Testosterone without gear is the state known as "fully recovered"...ie, the state you are trying to get to after your cycle/ So, by having your balls make Test during a cycle, the transition to having them function without gear is easier. That is the logic behind it.

R1

 

[Primordial Performance]

Yep….Your testes stop working because the LH signal from the brain stops coming when the brain senses high testosterone (steroid) levels. hCG replaces this LH and keeps the testes working as normal -- no mater how much steroid you have in your body.

Think about what would happen to your muscles if you laid in bed for 16 weeks. that’s what happens to your testes when they don’t get an LH signal for 16 weeks…

-Pp

 

[big greg 82]

^^^^^

 

[5x10]

Yep….Your testes stop working because the lh - leutenizing hormone - signal from the brain stops coming when the brain senses high testosterone (steroid) levels. HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - replaces this LH and keeps the testes working as normal -- no mater how much steroid you have in your body.

Think about what would happen to your muscles if you laid in bed for 16 weeks. that’s what happens to your testes when they don’t get an LH signal for 16 weeks…

-Pp

does the time your not producing any LH have any impact on the effectiveness of H C G?

 

[Primordial Performance]

does the time your not producing any lh - leutenizing hormone - have any impact on the effectiveness of H C G?

If you don’t have an LH signal for several weeks your testes will gradually become less responsive to hCG (and LH)

-Pp

 

[nydj66]

At least one study that I saw showed that the testes are much slower to recover their function than the hypathalamus and pituitary are.

So, if you keep the testes functional throughout a cycle by using H.C.G, you're post-cycle recover will be faster overall.

 

[trowsersnake98]

ive tried both ways and most definitely prefer using it while on cycle.

 

[shazzyuk]

When we refer to "on cycle" what type of protocol are we looking at? 5-6week onwards at 1000/1500iu /week taken 2-3 times/week?

 

[nydj66]

500IU twice week through the whole cycle.

 

[boston789]

I like to start using h c g about half way through the cycle. So if you are planning on going 12 weeks...start at around week 6 or 7 and stop as soon as you stop a a s.

 

[dsh89]

Yup I use it 500IU twice a week. I have not come off for about 9 months now, and it is definately effective. I always run at least 300mg test e ew, and cycle up.

 

[wzkid]

Bro I did 250iu/EOD during my 12 week prop/ace/winny cycle and Im on my second week of pct and havent lost shit in my size or the size of my balls.

 

[boston789]

Not to burst the bubble bud but wait another month...you will loose SOME size.

 

[Primordial Performance]

500IU twice week through the whole cycle.

You guys dont need this much... 500iu once a week, or maybe even every other week would be good enough. 500iu 2x a week is bound to cause desensitization and excess estrogen creation.

-Pp

 

[5x10]

so lets say i get my hcg in 1 week
i will have 3-4 weeks left on cycle
last 2 weeks will be test alone

i only need to run 500 once a week for the last4 weeks, then quit the hcg once my last test shot is given

or should i run it 2 more weeks while the test e is still in my system?

thanks

 

[Primordial Performance]

so lets say i get my HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - in 1 week
i will have 3-4 weeks left on cycle
last 2 weeks will be test alone

i only need to run 500 once a week for the last4 weeks, then quit the HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - once my last test shot is given

or should i run it 2 more weeks while the testosterone enanthate is still in my system?

thanks

I would take your last shot of hCG the same day as your last T shot.

-Pp

 

[Johnny_Whoops]

can anyone steer me to a good link in here on how to mix with the bac? I got the HCG and I'll need to start it in 2 weeks. Just trying to do my homework in advance. I'd search, but I'm a cheap-ass no plat havin whore.

 

[Mac173]

can anyone steer me to a good link in here on how to mix with the bac? I got the HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - and I'll need to start it in 2 weeks. Just trying to do my homework in advance. I'd search, but I'm a cheap-ass no plat havin whore.

Does your HCG come in a vial?

If so this is how I do it.

My HCG vial is 5000iu

1) add 1cc bac to HCG vial. Should dissolve, if not swirl to mix.

2) Inject bac/HCG solution into sterile vial. You know have 5000iu/ml.

3) add bac to make desired concentration

 

[ShowKidd]

good thread, answered a couple questions for me

 

[needtogetaas]

I use HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - for PCT - post cycle therapy - rather than on cycle for the very reasons that you listed.
Scientifically I'm not sure exactly which way is better but I've always recovered fine that way so I see no reason to switch.

what about the talk we had in pm's bro.I thought you were going to try it on cycle next time.....

 

[beenieman]

Does your HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - come in a vial?

If so this is how I do it.

My HCG vial is 5000iu

1) add 1cc bac to HCG vial. Should dissolve, if not swirl to mix.

2) Inject bac/HCG solution into sterile vial. You know have 5000iu/ml.

3) add bac to make desired concentration

Ok mac, so if I want 10 shots @ 500iu's per shot then I just stop after step 2?

 

[beenieman]

Ok mac, so if I want 10 shots @ 500iu's per shot then I just stop after step 2?

Ok, I got it... Would have to dilute the 5000iu's/ml with 10cc of bac water to achieve 500iu's/ml...

 

[Mac173]

what about the talk we had in pm's bro.I thought you were going to try it on cycle next time.....

Ok, maybe I'll give it a try next time, mommy.

 

[Mac173]

Ok mac, so if I want 10 shots @ 500iu's per shot then I just stop after step 2?

That is correct.
You'd add 9 more cc's to give you 500iu/ml.
I personally stay at 500iu/ 1/2mL but whatever concentration is most comfortable for you.
Don't forget to refrigerate after constitution.
Happy testical stimulating.

 

[needtogetaas]

Ok, maybe I'll give it a try next time, mommy.

you better boy.

 

[digimon7068]

keepz ur nutz full-sized. . .thatz about it. . .

 

[beenieman]

That is correct.
You'd add 9 more cc's to give you 500iu/ml.
I personally stay at 500iu/ 1/2mL but whatever concentration is most comfortable for you.
Don't forget to refrigerate after constitution.
Happy testical stimulating.

Thanks bro, just ordered my A-dex and Letro. 10 days and counting...

 

[Anthony Roberts]

I'm not convinced (totally) about it's use on a cycle. When you use it after a cycle, you get the spike in test levels, without a spike in estrogen, so I'm more inclined to think it's better afterwards.

 

[Mac173]

I'm not convinced (totally) about it's use on a cycle. When you use it after a cycle, you get the spike in test levels, without a spike in estrogen, so I'm more inclined to think it's better afterwards.

Someone actually agreed w/ me on this one.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

It's a very old idea (using HCG while on a cycle) ...it's from Duchaine in the original USH1.

 

[5x10]

It's a very old idea (using HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - while on a cycle) ...it's from Duchaine in the original USH1.

my bodybuilding buddy of mine told me to use it at the end, starting with a larger does, and going down each time for 2-3 more shots

its so close to the end of my cycle, i might just wait

 

[Primordial Performance]

I'm not convinced (totally) about it's use on a cycle. When you use it after a cycle, you get the spike in test levels, without a spike in estrogen, so I'm more inclined to think it's better afterwards.

You risk not recovering your full testosterone production capacity if you wait till the end of the cycle – since your testes will be desensitized to LH (hCG)

FYI, after 16 weeks on AAS you become about 20x less responsive to hCG.

-Pp

 

[Anthony Roberts]

In the absence of a hormone, your body gets more sensitive to it, not less...in most cases. Why not with LH?

We see this with insulin, etc...when you are in deficit, your body can respond by upregulating receptors, to make best use of what's there. Is there any evidence that it always does the opposite with LH?

I'm asking because for the most part, I've abandoned PCT...I work with professional athletes who are drug tested, meaning they use very low doses of things and never have a hard time recovering, or I work with powerlifters and BB'ers, who just never come off...so practically speaking, PCT has really fallen off the radar for me.

 

[needtogetaas]

speeking for some one that has used hcg on and after.my nuts shrink at the end of a cycle when not using hcg threw out.they do not shrink when using hcg threw out...this is my first time doing it threw out so we will see if the recovery is any better but I am betting it will be.

that is all.

 

[Primordial Performance]

In the absence of a hormone, your body gets more sensitive to it, not less...in most cases. Why not with lh - leutenizing hormone - ?

We see this with insulin, etc...when you are in deficit, your body can respond by upregulating receptors, to make best use of what's there. Is there any evidence that it always does the opposite with LH?

LH receptors do increase their sensitivity for the first couple weeks, but past that they down-regulate. The leydig cells physically shrink and loose there ability to produce testosterone when no LH is present. This is one reason I advocate dropping the hCG 2 weeks before the AAS's clear, so the leydig's can resensitize.

I think insulin is a little different though – being a biological necessary hormone working on a totally different axis.

-Pp