Whats the boards input on this subject

[vonrebel]

Alright bros, After a person gains or aquires a substantial amount of muscle mass, does the person need to continue using. Or can a person just stop and maintain the gains. (suppose this is where proper pct somehow makes the difference) I don't know, let's wait for the boards input.

 

[DBBT]

Alright bros, After a person gains or aquires a substantial amount of muscle mass, does the person need to continue using. Or can a person just stop and maintain the gains. (suppose this is where proper pct somehow makes the difference) I don't know, let's wait for the boards input.

your natural test level will always determine how much muscle you'll be able to keep. You can start out juicing with natty 18 gunz and get to 20", when you stop whatever is left in your sack will determine the amount of muslce you getta keep.

 

[Nelson Montana]

your natural test level will always determine how much muscle you'll be able to keep. You can start out juicing with natty 18 gunz and get to 20", when you stop whatever is left in your sack will determine the amount of muslce you getta keep.

Good answer.

There are also ways of going about keeping gains. It's more than PCT.

Bottom line: you'll never be able to maintain your TOP size and condition while on, but you can maintain more than if you never juiced. Having said that, I have absolutely no scientific evidence to back this up, but it seems that guys who start later and have a more solid foundation, retain more than guys who start juicing before they've reached their natural max.

 

[the_alcatraz]

Both answers above are very accurate. I usually keep 70% of what I gain on cycle. This is because I get proper PCT, ample protein intake, and proper post-cycle supplementation.

 

[GUARDIAN]

It will depend on your age, diet, training, genetics, and natty test levels. It will only be possible to keep as much as these factors allow, imho.

 

[rudy76]

your natural test level will always determine how much muscle you'll be able to keep. You can start out juicing with natty 18 gunz and get to 20", when you stop whatever is left in your sack will determine the amount of muslce you getta keep.

I think my sack is getting low on fuel!!

I gained about 25lbs my first cycle - after PCT and losing water weight - it looks like I kept about 12lbs muscle.

 

[DBBT]

I think my sack is getting low on fuel!!

loll

hcg, lots of proviron, little clomid

 

[Varga]

It also depends how far off you are from a preset genetic limit.
The more you push that limit the harder it is to mantain unless of course you go on HRT where you can adjust the dosage up to the max natural limit.

I think the secret in maintaining mass is mostly based on how stable the test production is. Our bodies do not produce the same amounts day in and day out it goes up and down. In other words you either genetically gifted or not there is no magic bullet.

 

[the_alcatraz]

It will depend on your age, diet, training, genetics, and natty test levels. It will only be possible to keep as much as these factors allow, imho.

How do genetics determine how much you keep coming off of a cycle? just wondering...

 

[the_alcatraz]

loll

hcg, lots of proviron, little clomid

Why does everyone "dislike" clomid? it works perfectly fine for me...

 

[DBBT]

Why does everyone "dislike" clomid? it works perfectly fine for me...

honestly that stuff has given me less sides than an advil daily. I mean yea I do kinda know what those 'bad feelings while on' feel like. But not to an extent where I thought I'd never use it again.

 

[Varga]

Genetics is a funny thing. I had a co-worker who was 23 at the time, 6'4" 250-260 natural.
I bet that if he did juice he would have kicked ass. I've never seen anybody that big, fast and strong. A freak of nature. God Damn, there was a gym where we worked and it had a cable preacher curl. I don't know the weight but I could do 3/4 of the stack and so did another dude. This kid was doing the entire stack for 10-12 reps like it was nothing....unfuckin real!
He could have easily have been 300lbs with a six pack without much gear and good diet. The shit he was eating was nothing but mostly garbage too and smoked pot....go figure.

 

[the_alcatraz]

honestly that stuff has given me less sides than an advil daily. I mean yea I do kinda know what those 'bad feelings while on' feel like. But not to an extent where I thought I'd never use it again.

yeh I like it as well...it hasnt given me any bad sides

 

[Mavafanculo]

I think my sack is getting low on fuel!!

I gained about 25lbs my first cycle - after PCT and losing water weight - it looks like I kept about 12lbs muscle.

2 cycles a year 25 lbs. 3 years 75 lbs. I'll take that lol

 

[Mavafanculo]

everything everybody else said, but also and maybe most importantly, it depends on how far over your natural maximum potential you've gone.

 

[bigdofba]

Genetics is a funny thing. I had a co-worker who was 23 at the time, 6'4" 250-260 natural.
I bet that if he did juice he would have kicked ass. I've never seen anybody that big, fast and strong. A freak of nature. God Damn, there was a gym where we worked and it had a cable preacher curl. I don't know the weight but I could do 3/4 of the stack and so did another dude. This kid was doing the entire stack for 10-12 reps like it was nothing....unfuckin real!
He could have easily have been 300lbs with a six pack without much gear and good diet. The shit he was eating was nothing but mostly garbage too and smoked pot....go figure.

I envy people like that.

If keeping gains has something to do with how close you are to your natural limit when you start then I am very glad I keep pushing myself naturally.

That being said, I see guys that are on who train half as hard as me and they are twice the size of me.

 

[GUARDIAN]

How do genetics determine how much you keep coming off of a cycle? just wondering...

maximum genetic potential as Mav put it. i think we are predetermined to get no bigger than our genetics allow and the extra juice helps overcome this. this is obviously non-technical...lol.

 

[GUARDIAN]

Why does everyone "dislike" clomid? it works perfectly fine for me...

stuff works for me. some just don't react or recover well with it.

 

[rudy76]

2 cycles a year 25 lbs. 3 years 75 lbs. I'll take that lol

Kepp only 12 / cycle though so 3 years 36 lbs possibly. I don't think the next one's will be as productive as the first - actually I'm sure they won't be.

I don't know if I can afford the grocery bill while ON. Diet was very $$$ consuming for those 12 weeks.

 

[Mavafanculo]

Kepp only 12 / cycle though so 3 years 36 lbs possibly. I don't think the next one's will be as productive as the first - actually I'm sure they won't be.

I don't know if I can afford the grocery bill while ON. Diet was very $$$ consuming for those 12 weeks.

musclemilk in bulk, ON whey in bulk, costco natty peanut butter, chinese brown rice - lol

its not so much the money, as the time and appetite. after a month I hate the sight of food and start going hi-density garbage just to get the calories in

 

[GUARDIAN]

musclemilk in bulk, ON whey in bulk, costco natty peanut butter, chinese brown rice - lol

its not so much the money, as the time and appetite. after a month I hate the sight of food and start going hi-density garbage just to get the calories in

where have u found MM in bulk?

 

[Bill Llewellyn]

How do genetics determine how much you keep coming off of a cycle? just wondering...

Your muscles are not in a static state. They constantly influx and efflux amino acids. Anabolic steroid shift the balance, and can actually allow your cells to hold more protein than your natural chemistry would support otherwise. Once that positive stimulus is removed, your cells will slowly return to a state they can maintain naturally.

 

[perryscoon]

Why does everyone "dislike" clomid? it works perfectly fine for me...

Works great for me too!

 

[Nelson Montana]

Your muscles are not in a static state. They constantly influx and efflux amino acids. Anabolic steroid shift the balance, and can actually allow your cells to hold more protein than your natural chemistry would support otherwise. Once that positive stimulus is removed, your cells will slowly return to a state they can maintain naturally.

The basic principle behind BIG BLAST. And I feel safe in saying most people who've used it PC will concur. It allows you keep my gains because it provides amino acid uptake beyond what you can get naturally.

 

[Mavafanculo]

where have u found MM in bulk?

the 5 lb'er at cheapvitamins best price I found so far

 

[njmuscleguy]

Here's my take on gaining while "off"... I've said this before, I'm in the minority where I'm perfectly happy gaining 5-10 SOLID, SUSTAINABLE pounds during cycle... that means I keep most of that when I'm done... however, in between cycles, I continue to gain (mostly muscle)... 2-3 pounds at least, depending on how long the off-season is... I cycle 2-3 times a year. It's all about maintaining proper diet, proper training and rest, taking and supplements to give you that extra edge. Of course, if you inflate by 20+ pounds from a cycle and wind up losing most of it, any gains one makes off-cycle would seem kinda trivial. Part of the reason I like the "slow & steady race"... doesn't f-k with your mind as much.

 

[Varga]

I envy people like that.

If keeping gains has something to do with how close you are to your natural limit when you start then I am very glad I keep pushing myself naturally.

That being said, I see guys that are on who train half as hard as me and they are twice the size of me.

This guy was definitely way up there in terms of genetics. If it wasn't for stupid stuff he was getting in trouble for all the time he would have had a free ride playing footbol at Miami I believe. I was jucing and barely keeping up with this guy it was demoralizing to say the list and while I'm on I can gain relatively easy but it was crazy that he was making gains much like me naturally...figure that out! Not to mention that he was hooking up with these awesome chicks too!
Too bad he died in a motorcycle accident though. I wasn't expecting that