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Whats better EQ/Test or EQ/ Winstrol stack .....

High-Jacked

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For my second cycle I am gonna either EQ/Test or EQ/Winstrol. My goal is to add a some muscle but more importantly to harden up and shed some fat. Here is what either of the 2 cycles would look like:

EQ/Test

Week 1-10 EQ 400mg/week
Week 1 500mg omnadren (to elevate blood levels)
Week 2-8 ICN enanthate 400 mg/week

OR

EQ/Winny

Week 1-10 EQ 400mg/week
Week 7-11 Winstrol (injectable) 50mg ED

I want to get rid of some chest fat as well as so fat on the lower abs and back while gaining some size. Would I be better off to run the EQ/Test and diet/cardio harder, or will it not compare to the cuts/definition I will get with EQ/Winstrol. Please give you expert advice.
 
In the end your diet will determain the outcome of this cycle. I personally would not do a cycle without TESTOSTERONE! that being said, I think you know my answer. Throw some Anastrozole in there at .50mg/Day through out and your set. Try some Yohimburn DF for the stubburn fat areas

M18
 
i think he wants to keep it to two substances to save cash....but gilly's is the best set-up for your goals. :p
 
THE_BIG_FED said:
i think he wants to keep it to two substances to save cash....but gilly's is the best set-up for your goals. :p

Your right about that...... Its just expensive running relatively high doses for nearly 10 weeks:fro:
 
High-Jacked said:


Your right about that...... Its just expensive running relatively high doses for nearly 10 weeks:fro:

yeah, you could be looking at around $200 for the test and $200 for the EQ for 10 weeks as well as the winny which would be between $100-200 for injectable depending on length and how much you use (ED or EOD). but who said this was cheap??? :D
 
hehe its far from cheap but I gotta cash in my pennies check under my car seats for any loose change to come up with enough cash for the test/EQ LOL:D
 
High-Jacked said:
hehe its far from cheap but I gotta cash in my pennies check under my car seats for any loose change to come up with enough cash for the test/EQ LOL:D

haha. yeah, i hear you. try buying some GH sometime. :eek2:
 
I just started a cycle of Eq, Test and A50's.

Running:
600mg Test Enanthate (once a week injection)
600mg Eq (once a week injection)
A50 2 tabs bid (100mg)

Hopefully the water from the Anadrol will help with joint pain as it kills me in the off season. But if any of you guys get gyno...I've used several products and the best is Femera if you can get it. Of course none of the aformentioned is cheap. But you wanna look good you gotta pay. I'll keep you posed on the gains.

GO big or stay home..!!
 
imo eq shouldnt be used for less than 14 weeks, or its wasting alot. i would do eq test, and winstrol at the end. like this
weeks 1-15-test 5 or 600 mg a week
weeks 1-14- eq 100 mg less than the test
weeks 9-15- winstrol 50 mg ED
thats very similar to the cycle im gona run in april, except im using higher doses. and im gonna run anavar the first 6 weeks as well.
test eq and winstrol is a fucking badass cycle bro, one of my favorites ever.
good luck bro
 
jumpmaster82 said:
imo Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - shouldnt be used for less than 14 weeks, or its wasting alot. i would do

agree 110%. I have done 16 weeks 2x and it is the best when run longer.
 
do u need to run test higher when on eq? i was planning my next cycle of eq and test cyp on the 15th and was going to run the test at 500 mg and the eq at 600mg
 
Remember 50% of E Q turns into Test...so it really doesnt matter if test is higher or not.

I was thinking about doing the same cycle...
1-2 E Q 800mg/wk
3-10 E Q 500mg/wk
2-10 Winnie 50mg/day

Somebody told me to run H GC throughout a cycle like this...but i couldnt figure out why. Can someone inform me :)
 
Remember 50% of E Q turns into Test...so it really doesnt matter if test is higher or not.

I was thinking about doing the same cycle...
1-2 E Q 800mg/wk
3-10 E Q 500mg/wk
2-10 Winnie 50mg/day

Somebody told me to run H GC throughout a cycle like this...but i couldnt figure out why. Can someone inform me :)

Running a low dose of HCG throughout a cycle like this is great because it will keep your natural production of testosterone from shutting down. Just because EQ turns into test doesn't mean you necessarily want to run a EQ only cycle. EQ can really fire up your ass without some test injected along with it! ha. But if you like pain then heck who cares.

With any cycle longer than 8 weeks, it may be best to have a low dose of HCG that way post-cycle recovery isn't so difficult and more gains are kept coming off the cycle, because you don't have to worry about your test levels being low n' trying to get them back up.
 
imo eq shouldnt be used for less than 14 weeks, or its wasting alot. i would do eq test, and winstrol at the end. like this
weeks 1-15-test 5 or 600 mg a week
weeks 1-14- eq 100 mg less than the test
weeks 9-15- winstrol 50 mg ED
thats very similar to the cycle im gona run in april, except im using higher doses. and im gonna run anavar the first 6 weeks as well.
test eq and winstrol is a fucking badass cycle bro, one of my favorites ever.
good luck bro

This is good but I wouldn't run less then 400mg of EQ per week. SO use 500 test and 400 eq per week and winnie 50mg ed for as long as what you have lasts.

One of the big things to notice about jumpmaster's plan is the winnie comes at the end of the cycle. That's when you need to harded what you have gained.
 
One of the best reasons to run EQ w/ test is that EQ will dramatically increase your collagen synthesis while test will reduce your tendon strength and collagen sythesis. Same with Anavar and Primo.

Most of you have probably seen this article from another board but it's a great read and re-read:

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While injecting test increases protein synthesis by roughly 50 times, depending on dose and time, most bodybuilders forget that it will reduce collagen synthesis by more than 50% -- more like 80%, giving you the collagen synthesis rate of a senior citizen. Since collagen makes up tendons, bros are very prone to injury if they continue to lift very heavy, unless they cycle off T and let their collagen synthesis get back to normal. It's like having the skeletal muscle of a gorilla with the tendons of a very old man.

Winstrol increases collagen synthesis. It will give you bigger tendons. However, your body compensates for this by making them more brittle, weaker, and more prone to injury. I can't tell you how many bros work out anaerobically and become injured while on winstrol. Guys who lift in the 1-5 rep range while on winstrol, to baseball players who sprint all out from a stationary position -- winstrol should be the LAST drug they choose. Most of them like winstrol because they don't get the weight gain from it but it is very detrimental to bros who train for any sport anaerobically. Tendons tear easily on it.

Also, the drugs I mention increase collagen synthesis while also increasing collagen cross-linking integrity, making for a much stronger tendon.

Winstrol, on the other hand, will dramatically increase collagen syn, but ironically it decreases collagen cross-linking integrity, thus making a much weaker tendon.

You can plan a cycle of AAS which will increase collagen synthesis and skeletal muscle growth at the same time. The key is the drug(s) you choose.

Deca, Equipoise, Anavar, and Primobolan will ALL increase skeletal muscle while at the same time dramatically increase collagen syn and bone mass and density, leaving you with a substantially reduced chance of becoming injured than if you choose to use AAS like sus, cyp, or enth.

While testosterone will increase bone mass and density, even at supra-physiological levels, the result is weaker tendons due to inhibition of collagen syn.

To plan a cycle where the goal is to increase skeletal muscle mass/strength while at the same time increase joint/tendon/ligament strength, enough to keep up with the dramatic increase in skeletal muscle, you must choose drugs like Eq, Deca, Anavar, or Primo as the base of your cycle. Testosterone and its esters can be added to your cycle to keep levels within a 'normal' physiological range (ie, 100-200 mg/wk) but must not go above this. Since drugs like eq, deca, anavar and primo will reduce endogenous, natural levels of test, these levels may be maintained with exogenous test in the 100-200 mg/wk range. Test at this dose will not inhibit collagen syn, but paradoxically, will help increase it. It is when exogenous testosterone is used > 200 mg/wk that collagen syn is inhibited.

Deca @ 3 mg/kg a week(about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca is a very good drug at giving you everything you want -- an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood

Primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% -- less than deca and equipoise but still substantial.

Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% -- slightly better than deca.

Oxandrolone has over a hundred studies documenting its effectiveness at treating patients needing rapid increases in collagen syn to enhance healing.

These drugs have longer half-lives than most other AAS, so this should be considered when timing your post cycle clomid use. Here they are:

Deca: 15 days Equipoise: 14 days Primobolan: 10.5 days

Anavar has a half-life of only 8 hours so it should not pose a problem.

GH is probably the most remarkable drug at increasing collagen synthesis. It increases collagen syn in a dose dependant manner -- the more you use, the more you will increase collagen syn. It has also demonstrated this ability in short and long term studies. From what I've read, hGH at 6 iu/day increased the collagen deposition rate by around 250% in damaged collagen structures. This result indicates that the increased biomechanical strength of wounds to collagen structures treated with biosynthetic human growth hormone was produced by an increased deposition of collagen in the collagen structures.

Eq, primo, anavar, and deca are all good -- they increase several biomakers of collagen syn -- ie, type III, II, I, procollagen markers. GH just seems to do so most dramatically.

Use of any of these drugs @ supra-physiological levels with a maintenance dose of test will increase collagen syn while at the same time increase skeletal muscle mass. Skeletal muscle mass gains will not be as dramatic as with large testosterone doses but you have to weigh the risk/reward basis for yourself. Also, these drugs do not satisfy the libido like testosterone, but that is not the point of this thread. It is only to demonstrate that you can increase skeletal muscle and collagen syn at the same time with certain AAS, the decision is up to you.
 
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