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What's all this fuss about cocaine and why is it illegal?

Same thing can be said for opium and heroin.

It's all-natural, so surely it can't hurt you!

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superdave said:
Having proper legal drugs are irregardless of goverment regulation
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Particularly for those suffering from the massive inflation during Reagan who can no longer afford the barefoot experience.
 
my mother put cocaine on my gums when I was teething.

wouldn't let me breast feed though. Said she only liked me as a friend :(
 
Raygun correlated poverty leading to unaffordable 10 second vibram squat videos are irregardless of paid sharecropper unpaid killer all natural internship potsmoke.
 
I for one am glad that things like Speed, cocaine, oxys, heroin are highly illegal.... the hell with that stuff

I do think Juice and X should be given a break ( X becuase it was used in couples therapy originally, and also it only works well like once a month and has less of a chance of abuse by far compared to any drug even alcohol)
 
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im just sayin that even if you get a clean product, the synthesis and processing that is involved causes toxicity and potential for overdose. im not aware of any culpable median lethal dose for either coca leaves or opium. both heroin and cocaine are super concentrated versions of the base product and thats what makes them deadly.
 
miplank said:
okay...this has been bugging me.


bailing hay is done w/equipment. Basically you sit in an air conditioned tractor and pull the bailer along and it shits out bails of hay.
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I'm pretty sure our killer intern hoisted the aforementioned bails of hay onto a vehicle of some sort as part of the killer internship.
 
deco said:
Shits made out of plants just like weed yet weed is about to be legalized.
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anything can be *derived* from a plant. a lot of plants have chemicals that within their current structure are very mild or do nothing.

cocaine is chemically processed from cocoa leaves. cocoa leaves themselves will have a numbing effect but you need to extract the chemical within it and alter it's form.

so comparing weed...which is merely dried up and not altered, to cocaine.. is borderline retarded
 
miplank said:
oh, so he's doing the same thing that iggy is doing.
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If iggy would sport some vibrams while doing it, he'd hoist the hay 27% faster because his biomechanical vectors would be aligned as nature had intended.

Just sayin'
 
OMEGA said:
( X becuase it was used in couples therapy originally, and also it only works well like once a month and has less of a chance of abuse by far compared to any drug even alcohol)
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lol
 
because hippies don't use cocaine and no one's been able to create a convincing argument that cocaine is needed for my 'aches and pains'.

Without that argument and images of sick old people in wheelchairs at cocaine rallies - it won't be made legal. Coke is associated with hollywood stars and no one cares about making it legal for them.

c
 
75th said:
lol
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theres nothing LOL about it bro
its just that I understand how it works in humans

X works on an "all or nothing basis", you cant do it everyday, you wont feel a thing. Also it was used in couples therapy.

you can only enjoy the ride for 8 hours till the law of diminishing returns comes into play, or you just get depleted.

you cant even do it once a week properly
 
calveless wonder said:
anything can be *derived* from a plant. a lot of plants have chemicals that within their current structure are very mild or do nothing.

cocaine is chemically processed from cocoa leaves. cocoa leaves themselves will have a numbing effect but you need to extract the chemical within it and alter it's form.

so comparing weed...which is merely dried up and not altered, to cocaine.. is borderline retarded
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So cocaine is chocolaty? :lmao:
Try coca plant/leaves
 
OMEGA said:
theres nothing LOL about it bro
its just that I understand how it works in humans

X works on an "all or nothing basis", you cant do it everyday, you wont feel a thing. Also it was used in couples therapy.

you can only enjoy the ride for 8 hours till the law of diminishing returns comes into play, or you just get depleted.

you cant even do it once a week properly
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Have you studied it yourself (how it works in humans) or read work that others have accomplished. Ive done the latter, so I think we're probably on a pretty level playing field here.
 
Yes I have :)

so why do you disagree with me? with a LOL

surely you know how it works then

where is the incidence of abuse? have you heard of crazy X heads lol buying pills daily?
 
MDMA Research

released the following statement in October 2008, "We found that low doses of MDMA (between 50 and 75 mg) were both psychologically and physiologically safe for all the subjects"


MDMA = X

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deco said:
Shits made out of plants just like weed yet weed is about to be legalized.
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umm just cuzz its from a fuking plant/flower/herb dont mean its safe .
there are plants out there that wold kill you within minuts of taking it.
the whol " its from the ground itas safe" is justa very retarted way of thinking.
now if your talking about chewing the coca leaves or making opium tea its juts NOT the same and shooting huroin or snorting lines thats been extracted wich CHEMICALS like sulfuric acid , carosein ect. (of wich i feel would be doing half the harm)
the addition is not the same as weed.
 
OMEGA said:
Yes I have :)

so why do you disagree with me? with a LOL

surely you know how it works then

where is the incidence of abuse? have you heard of crazy X heads lol buying pills daily?
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IMO it's relatively safe. One of X's advantages is cost (for pure stuff). I'd think a heavy X habit would be more expensive than a coke habit.

In high enough doses on a frequent enough basis, you can damage the synaptic cleft by overexposure to serotonin. There have been cases where people have simply burned themselves up.

But in all fairness, you can nit-pick any drug.
 
mrplunkey said:
IMO it's relatively safe. One of X's advantages is cost (for pure stuff). I'd think a heavy X habit would be more expensive than a coke habit.

In high enough doses on a frequent enough basis, you can damage the synaptic cleft by overexposure to serotonin. There have been cases where people have simply burned themselves up.

But in all fairness, you can nit-pick any drug.
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totally agree with you on all points.
 
LOL @ X being safe. Yeah if you use it infrequently. Your dopamine receptors can permanently shut off due to overuse. The problem is once you hit that high, you want it again. It doesn't matter what it's original use was, it matters what it's current use is. I could care less if people want to roll, or jack up some herron. But arguing MDMA as a "safe" drug is foolish.
 
redshirt27se said:
LOL @ X being safe. Yeah if you use it infrequently. Your dopamine receptors can permanently shut off due to overuse. The problem is once you hit that high, you want it again. It doesn't matter what it's original use was, it matters what it's current use is. I could care less if people want to roll, or jack up some herron. But arguing MDMA as a "safe" drug is foolish.
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It's the best drug as far as feeling goes. but yes, moderation is key. If you only do it a couple of times a year, there is no permanent damage. If you pop pills every weekend then yeah, you're going to have problems. It definitely has the lowest rate of addiction though as far as drugs go. It's not something you just use compulsively like coke or weed.

and it's not your dopamine receptors, it's your serotonin.

any drug will cause damage or physiological changes in one shape or another if abused. responsible use will always mitigate risk, no matter the drug. the big variable is the likelyhood to get addicted and how much does it effect your brain chemistry
 
calveless wonder said:
It's the best drug as far as feeling goes. but yes, moderation is key. If you only do it a couple of times a year, there is no permanent damage. If you pop pills every weekend then yeah, you're going to have problems. It definitely has the lowest rate of addiction though as far as drugs go. It's not something you just use compulsively like coke or weed.

and it's not your dopamine receptors, it's your serotonin.

any drug will cause damage or physiological changes in one shape or another if abused. responsible use will always mitigate risk, no matter the drug. the big variable is the likelyhood to get addicted and how much does it effect your brain chemistry
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You're right it is serotonin. I wasn't talking out my ass, but not being a medical professional it's easy to confuse the two. Any drug can be used in moderation with little to no sides, but the problem is that humans rarely understand what that means. If you can slug down 10 hamburgers, who's to say you can't empty a pill bottle down your throat? People aren't smart. And going out on a limb here, I'm sure most people who roll have no idea what MDMA actually does, they just like the feeling.
 
Of course its not safe if abused, but is alcohol or cigs or anything for that matter?

My opinion is you dont get that "oh i need to do this every day " thing from it

MDMA does nto function in that way there is alomst a built in safety mechanism to it.

do it 7 times or so and you will know what i am talking about

Very much like CW is saying

even if I had a pez dispenser of it, I would never do it more then once a month............( I don't even do it fyi cus there nothing around here lol:)

it has a place in moderation.......and I would argue its even healthy in some ways........

it should be treated like alcohol but maybe with a few more regulations
 
and for the record,yes, coke is a very overrated drug. I feel it is much of a social construct than anything. I.e. the glamour associated with its use and the way it worked itself into the upper class and club scenes.

As a drug itself, it's not very good. All drugs effect an individual in a different manner than the next, but for me the cost(not just$$)/benefit ratio is just not there. As far as stimulants go, it's one of the worst because it's so short acting. In order to not feel like crap you have to do some every 20-30 minutes. Then on top of that, most of the shit is cut with a lot of stuff like caffeine or something else and can make you more jittery and anxious than "good". The euphoria from coke is not even that great in itself.

But it does have it's uses socially. It is a drug that keeps the party going and allows you to drink for a very long time...hence it's popular as a night life and after hours. Most people pass out or get tired from drinking after a certain point because it's a depressant. The only time i use it (VERY sparingly) is when it's going to be a late night..talking 6am late night of dancing and drinking.

Women are also effected by coke MUCH differently by men. For us...we can't get an erection, for women it makes them feel good and many women tend to get horny. What that means is you have a lot of people who use it to entice women or just because they're around.
 
OMEGA said:
Of course its not safe if abused, but is alcohol or cigs or anything for that matter?

My opinion is you dont get that "oh i need to do this every day " thing from it

MDMA does nto function in that way there is alomst a built in safety mechanism to it.

do it 7 times or so and you will know what i am talking about

Very much like CW is saying

even if I had a pez dispenser of it, I would never do it more then once a month............( I don't even do it fyi cus there nothing around here lol:)

it has a place in moderation.......and I would argue its even healthy in some ways........

it should be treated like alcohol but maybe with a few more regulations
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every legal/illegal drug can be done in moderation, but pushing for MDMA legalization (regardless of how 'regulated' it is, is just stupid.)


the current users of it don't care about it's legal status. legalizing only opens it up to the crowd who shouldn't be doing it in the first place.
 
calveless wonder said:
and for the record,yes, coke is a very overrated drug. I feel it is much of a social construct than anything. I.e. the glamour associated with its use and the way it worked itself into the upper class and club scenes.
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I agree, but also would to add insulfation of the drug is very inefficient. If your nose structure /sinuses are clear you get alot more out of it. ( maybe still only 40%)

Hate to say this on open board, but the smokable form and iv form blow the insulfation method away.....

its not hard to see how lab rats keep pushing the button till they are dead.

i share my opinion as a person researching drug delivery as I have been lately, i do not condone its use.


MDMA is far better
 
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miplank said:
okay...this has been bugging me.


bailing hay is done w/equipment. Basically you sit in an air conditioned tractor and pull the bailer along and it shits out bails of hay.
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Since when are tractors air conditioned? I need a new tractor then. haha
 
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