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What was Arnold using in 1975?

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sweatandscience

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Perhaps this question has been asked and answered a million times, but just humor me:

Just finished watching Pumping Iron again and was wondering what they were using back then. Or if Arnold has every divulged his anabolic usage, say, in the early stages of pre-contest for Mr. Olympia '75?

He obviously had an intensity that few of us could match no matter what substances we used, but I was just curious.
 
have heard many things he was using
dbol, primo, deca, test

but there is no way to be sure unless Arnold comes out and tells everyone
 
Agree about the dbol, deca, and primo, but I think test (at least in higher doses) wasn't popular back then. I've only seen maybe a handful of pics of arnold in his prime when he looked even remotely bloated. I know this is before the day of GH and slin, but also before the days of multiple grams of test per week
 
I believe he took one dbol a day, and maybe 100mg of primo a month.

but seriously, you think if you took exactly what arnie took you'd look even close to him without having arnie's genetics?
 
Tweakle said:
I believe he took one dbol a day, and maybe 100mg of primo a month.

but seriously, you think if you took exactly what arnie took you'd look even close to him without having arnie's genetics?
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Exactly. I think people are just wondering what the pro's took back in the day. Their physiques were much more "quality" imo. Even in the off season they didnt get fat and bloated. As I alluded to, much of that has to do with their lack of GH and slin use, but also due to their using test sparingly.
 
Besides his great genetics and the whole bunch of gear, Arnold started working out very young! he is a perfectionist and detailed guy (although making horrible mistakes lately as governor) he was always focused in size, symetry, proportion, shape, working out very hard and disciplined and eating perfectly. So for 1975 he had already more that 11-12 years of training and a long history of steroid use. Seems like he had the best factors and circunstances to create a perfect bodybuilder and he took advantage of them.
 
Go to Robby Robinsons board. He is *very* honest about what he and the other pros took back in the day. He is also a very nice guy and will answer any question. Also Bill Grant comments on usage that matches up very closely to what Robby suggests they used.

Robby claims it was all mostly doctor prescribed. 200mgs of deca a week, primo, plenty of dbol, a little bit of test and thats about all as far as gear goes. Although Dave Draper was a fan of 10-25mgs of winny per day (he used more as time went on). Since so many different guys have told the same thing, I doubt they are lying.

You have to remember that bodybuilding was a very small sport back then. If you got involved in it and had the right genetics, you became a star in that tiny world. That's why if you notice in Pumping Iron at Golds, everyone is incredible. It was the center of that world. Now look where Lou trained, a local NY gym. Lou is the only one who looks that good, besides his trainer. So basically you had this one tiny gym with an incredible genetic gene pool. The best of the best. And they all trained like animals and basically lived bodybuilding.

Wake up go to the local breakfast joint and eat with the guys, go train for a couple of hours. Eat, go to the beach tan and relax. Eat again and then train for a bit more. Eat, smoke weed and then sleep and do it all over again. There wasn't any money either. It was for the love of it all. They lived it, ate it, breathed it. It was everything to them.

It doesn't matter the drugs. It was basic stuff we can all get our hands on. The dosages? I believe they were the relatively low dosages we read about. Except for dbol, everything seemed to be taken in very sane dosages. What it came down to was superior genetics, unreal work ethic and no pressures in life besides bodybuilding and the beach.
 
You guys have to remember that they used whatever was legal at that time as well. So although Test/deca/primo/dbol was used by Arnold, I have serious doubts that if you offered him a bottle of Oxymetholone, Oxandrolone, Winstrol, etc....he would have not taken it as well. Just like all of us, we may stick the mainly the basic compounds, but we will also throw other stuff into the mix. This only makes sense....anyone?

I do not know how to word this so bear with me......but I do know that Arnold used high dosages of Test/Dbol....also used deca (not sure of doses) and Primo (as reported by his friends and himself).

It's impossible to say exactly what he took all the time. Hell, I have a hard enough time remembering all I too over the years and how much each time. I'll bet it is the same for him. Arnold was known for pushing the limits for his time from what I have gathered. The doses were nowhere near what today's doses are, but do not get fooled by thinking that just because he had good genetics that he didn't push the envelope on AAS use for that time as well.

Arnold pushed everything to its highest limits when he was younger (Lifting, eating , alcohol, education, marijuana and recreational drug use, etc....).....why would his AAS use differ?

BMJ
 
Cauliflower Ear said:
i heard they didnt even have off time back then....how is that guy still alive...
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There are pictures of Arnold looking very slim. I think the opposite is true. I think they did take long periods away from the drugs, unlike the top pros today. At least guys like Arnold who had such longevity in BB'ing. How did he father 3 kids? How did Lee Haney father several kids?
 
I would love to know the truth as would everyone I am sure. Maybe Arnold has a log somewhere that will be released after his death someday or something. After all, it like was mentioned earlier, all that shit was legal back then. Since Arnie is in the public light, and has been for a long long time now, not to mention the presidential physical fitness stuff etc . . . it is doubtful he will ever speak about it with the candor that we salivate for. Big picture, as also mentioned before, it doesn't even matter, his genetics were shit hot.
 
1Mistake2006 said:
He was quoted saying D-bol was like $2.00 per hundred and they would eat 20-30 a day for months at a time.
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How in the world do you avoid gyno at that dosage and duration?????
 
genetics. Some people don't get sides.. look at the hairlines of some of the Mr O competitors (and the lack of gyno and acne they have at 10-15+g doses PW)
 
Tweakle said:
genetics. Some people don't get sides.. look at the hairlines of some of the Mr O competitors (and the lack of gyno and acne they have at 10-15+g doses PW)
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accutane and melatonin probably helps
 
Rumor was this:

Primo as the base with Deca and ONLY Dbol as the primary androgen in massive amounts in the AM .Prewokout
 
OMEGA said:
Rumor was this:

Primo as the base with Deca and ONLY Dbol as the primary androgen in massive amounts in the AM .Prewokout
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I think this is pretty much dead on. Arnold said that the "magic" didn't happen with dbol until you used 200mg/day. I would assume he would pop 50-75mg pre workout and the rest through the day. I would guess Primo was probably run at 600mg-1000mg/wk, and deca probably at 2-400mg/wk

Another interesting thing I notice about Pumping Iron is that when he gets to Golds to get ready for the contest, he looks about 215. In the old days, they put weight on and got ripped at the same time for a contest. I would assume that was from coming off the gear, and then getting back on at contest time.
 
T think its right on to

Primo = Base
Deca = no brainer
Dbol = primary androgen that may dissipate and lead to less side

this of course is all specualtion and is not a perfect theory
 
Yep, back in the day they would all get off the gear in the offseason. They were still at the gym working out and staying in shape, but they would be much lighter. Then when contest time came, about 3-5 months out, they would start it all up and train with more intensity.

If you look at pics of the top guys back then, if it wasn't contest time, they were all much smaller but very ripped to shreds.

When Pumping Iron was filmed, Arnold just got back from filming Stay Hungry. In that he had to get down to 210lbs to look more normal next to the other stars of the film. He got up to 232 and in excellent shape in only three months for the 75 O. He was 242 at the 74 O, but he only had three months this time.

I think excellent genetics and their work ethic at the gym is what made them have such a quality look. Arnold has stated many times that you can eat pretty much whatever you wanted, even while getting ready for a contest if you work out at the level they did. I guess all that volume and days in the gym would make it easy for anyone to stay ripped, even while drinking protein shakes mixed with heavy whipping cream (rheo blair)!

Some of todays guys follow this approach as well. Kevin Levrone and Shawn Ray come to mind. They would only train hard and take 3-6 months before a contest. It amazes me how Kevin looked so small in the off season and in such a short time he was able to blow up while getting ripped to shreds and come in 2nd or 3rd at the O almost every time.

Someone asked what Robby's site is, it's RobbyRobinson.net. He has a message board where he answers questions all the time. A very nice guy all around.
 
Tweakle said:
genetics. Some people don't get sides.. look at the hairlines of some of the Mr O competitors (and the lack of gyno and acne they have at 10-15+g doses PW)
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now or then? Ronnie and Jay both had gyno surgery I thought?
 
1975...? i thought they all used just alil test. then as years went on they switched to cybergenics, no...?
- i'm sure they all used as much as they could all get... nothing's changed...except alot more shit available now.
 
marshallmadman said:
I think this is pretty much dead on. Arnold said that the "magic" didn't happen with dbol until you used 200mg/day. I would assume he would pop 50-75mg pre workout and the rest through the day. I would guess Primo was probably run at 600mg-1000mg/wk, and deca probably at 2-400mg/wk

Another interesting thing I notice about Pumping Iron is that when he gets to Golds to get ready for the contest, he looks about 215. In the old days, they put weight on and got ripped at the same time for a contest. I would assume that was from coming off the gear, and then getting back on at contest time.
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200mg/day of dbol!! ...and people here are scared of 20-30mg per day. I think that is the biggest falicy on these bb sites, is the toxicity of orals. If someone here said they were going to take 200mg/day of dbol, everyone would be screaming how stupid that idea would be and that his liver would shrivel up and die! BS!

I am not advocating the use of dosages that high, but personally anything less than 50mg doesn't do jack shit for me. Next time i am starting out at 75mg and bumping up from there.
 
envies said:
200mg/day of dbol!! ...and people here are scared of 20-30mg per day. I think that is the biggest falicy on these bb sites, is the toxicity of orals. If someone here said they were going to take 200mg/day of dbol, everyone would be screaming how stupid that idea would be and that his liver would shrivel up and die! BS!

I am not advocating the use of dosages that high, but personally anything less than 50mg doesn't do jack shit for me. Next time i am starting out at 75mg and bumping up from there.
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Don't assume he was actually taking 200mg before you get so excited. Verify the information first.
 
He took a lot of Dbol and a lot of test and Primo. I know this. The dbol was very high, it was his favorite.

Test was above what everybody else has posted. He would start out high and continue to raise it as time went on. He also used deca.

BMJ
 
52_21_30 said:
Exactly. I think people are just wondering what the pro's took back in the day. Their physiques were much more "quality" imo. Even in the off season they didnt get fat and bloated. As I alluded to, much of that has to do with their lack of GH and slin use, but also due to their using test sparingly.
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GH and slin have brought things to a new, and not necesarrily good, level.
 
MR. BMJ said:
He took a lot of Dbol and a lot of test and Primo. I know this. The dbol was very high, it was his favorite.

Test was above what everybody else has posted. He would start out high and continue to raise it as time went on. He also used deca.

BMJ
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how do you KNOW this? did you see him administer those pharmacuticals?
 
How do you really know that to be his true cycle Mr. X??
 
sd27bb said:
how do you KNOW this? did you see him administer those pharmacuticals?
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Arnold was dating a girl, and this girls roommate was somebody I know. This person would not make it up. That's about all I can say.

BMJ
 
YES...that cycle outline that X has lined out is similar to the one that I was talking about. People please undestand that each cycle probably wasn't the same though. However, from what I have gathered, that is very similar to what I know. The concept that X has is what I was talking about as well. Those doses are not high by today's standards, but back then, that was high. Tapering up was the thing then.

Heck, from what I gathered, those test/dbol doses are slightly lower as well. I know that he did use (maybe not all the time mind you) over 1 gram of test.

I'm not sure on the deca or primo doses, but I know that they were ran. He liked Primo. However, again, each cycle is probably not gonna be exact or written in stone as "the" cycle The Oak ran each time.

I'm not sure about "bridging" or off-time strategies as well.

BMJ
 
sweatandscience said:
Perhaps this question has been asked and answered a million times, but just humor me:

Just finished watching Pumping Iron again and was wondering what they were using back then. Or if Arnold has every divulged his anabolic usage, say, in the early stages of pre-contest for Mr. Olympia '75?

He obviously had an intensity that few of us could match no matter what substances we used, but I was just curious.
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Test, DBOL, Parabolan and some very good genetics.
 
Offcourse Arnold's genetics were out of this world. After all HE IS THE ANTI CHRIST.

There is strong evidence pointing at Arnold's dirty background and dirty methods in achieving his goals, such as marrying into a Powerful Politics Family like the Kennedies, campaigning for former Nazi Politicians in Austria and lots of other stuff.

He's a nut job megalomaniac who stated repeatedily that the masses are stupid and he should be their dictator. There's this site that tells about arnold's stuff , www dot arnoldexposed dot com

Nway, im just saying stop worshipping him, hes not a good dude. He does have a good body but the guy did alot of bad things.
 
zk7 said:
Offcourse Arnold's genetics were out of this world. After all HE IS THE ANTI CHRIST.

There is strong evidence pointing at Arnold's dirty background and dirty methods in achieving his goals, such as marrying into a Powerful Politics Family like the Kennedies, campaigning for former Nazi Politicians in Austria and lots of other stuff.

He's a nut job megalomaniac who stated repeatedily that the masses are stupid and he should be their dictator. There's this site that tells about arnold's stuff , www dot arnoldexposed dot com

Nway, im just saying stop worshipping him, hes not a good dude. He does have a good body but the guy did alot of bad things.
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WTF? :rolleyes:
 
Yeah, he was a bit cocky and quite confident even in the film. But he was very young and a competitive "warrior". A similar argument could be made for career military guys going into politics.
He felt on top of the world back then, and for good reason. He comes here to America and besides being blessed with superior genetics, kicks all of our asses when it came to everything from work ethic to psychology and a positive attitute some would classify as insane.
He felt as though he could do anything and said so. All he saw around him were lazy Americans who had quasi-ambition and all wanted to have success in 5 easy steps or end up quitting. And he had a blast doing it all to top it off. He mastered his mind as much as his body and he felt something like a god.

No surprise he said and did a few of the things he did back in the day.

But he has grown up since then, in case you hadn't noticed. Even since his last term, he has become wiser.

He studied hard for a solution and now put forth a plan to give all Californians health care. If he were a democrat, he'd be on the nightly news and on Oprah and on the cover of Newsweek and Time. Instead, he gets critisized for it from everyone who has to make a sacrifice to make it happen. And instead of giving him credit for it, they change the subject to how he wants to get more people off of welfare and how it's going to starve kids.

Arnold is an achiever like America hasn't seen in years. And instead of honoring his accomplishments, we poo-poo them and nitpick, probably out of guilt for being born here, speaking clear english, and still not accomplishing a damn thing of value to society.
 
BBkingpin said:
Don't assume he was actually taking 200mg before you get so excited. Verify the information first.
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Yeah I call bullshit on the 200mg DBol for months at a time. Probably somewhere on the order of 50-100mg DBol, with 600-1000mg Primo, 250-500mg Deca starting 12 weeks out from contest.
 
MR. BMJ said:
Arnold was dating a girl, and this girls roommate was somebody I know. This person would not make it up. That's about all I can say.

BMJ
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Yeah we all tell our girls exactly what are cycles are.

*cough*

And they write it down and tell all their friends and roommates.

*cough*
 
sweatandscience said:
Yeah, he was a bit cocky and quite confident even in the film. But he was very young and a competitive "warrior". A similar argument could be made for career military guys going into politics.
He felt on top of the world back then, and for good reason. He comes here to America and besides being blessed with superior genetics, kicks all of our asses when it came to everything from work ethic to psychology and a positive attitute some would classify as insane.
He felt as though he could do anything and said so. All he saw around him were lazy Americans who had quasi-ambition and all wanted to have success in 5 easy steps or end up quitting. And he had a blast doing it all to top it off. He mastered his mind as much as his body and he felt something like a god.

No surprise he said and did a few of the things he did back in the day.

But he has grown up since then, in case you hadn't noticed. Even since his last term, he has become wiser.

He studied hard for a solution and now put forth a plan to give all Californians health care. If he were a democrat, he'd be on the nightly news and on Oprah and on the cover of Newsweek and Time. Instead, he gets critisized for it from everyone who has to make a sacrifice to make it happen. And instead of giving him credit for it, they change the subject to how he wants to get more people off of welfare and how it's going to starve kids.

Arnold is an achiever like America hasn't seen in years. And instead of honoring his accomplishments, we poo-poo them and nitpick, probably out of guilt for being born here, speaking clear english, and still not accomplishing a damn thing of value to society.
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why don't you marry him?
 
sweatandscience said:
Yeah, he was a bit cocky and quite confident even in the film. But he was very young and a competitive "warrior". A similar argument could be made for career military guys going into politics.
He felt on top of the world back then, and for good reason. He comes here to America and besides being blessed with superior genetics, kicks all of our asses when it came to everything from work ethic to psychology and a positive attitute some would classify as insane.
He felt as though he could do anything and said so. All he saw around him were lazy Americans who had quasi-ambition and all wanted to have success in 5 easy steps or end up quitting. And he had a blast doing it all to top it off. He mastered his mind as much as his body and he felt something like a god.

No surprise he said and did a few of the things he did back in the day.

But he has grown up since then, in case you hadn't noticed. Even since his last term, he has become wiser.

He studied hard for a solution and now put forth a plan to give all Californians health care. If he were a democrat, he'd be on the nightly news and on Oprah and on the cover of Newsweek and Time. Instead, he gets critisized for it from everyone who has to make a sacrifice to make it happen. And instead of giving him credit for it, they change the subject to how he wants to get more people off of welfare and how it's going to starve kids.

Arnold is an achiever like America hasn't seen in years. And instead of honoring his accomplishments, we poo-poo them and nitpick, probably out of guilt for being born here, speaking clear english, and still not accomplishing a damn thing of value to society.
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Hell yeah, I used to watch Pumping Iron in college after smoking a joint and something about being high makes you see things a little differently and instead of just taking it for granted and thinking there's Arnold Shwarzennegger, you think, there's a guy filming a documentary about bb'ing and everything he so confidently says he will achieve, as lofty as those goals were at the time, he actually achieved. He's one step away from being President of the USA if we amend the Constitution. It's not a bad idea. If every kid, not just American born, could dream about some day being President of the USA, we'd have less people overseas who hate us. How can they hate us if they are one of us or dream about being one of us? Arnold is awesome!
 
bigmusclehead said:
very intersting mr x.if a person was interested in trying this cycle would primo have to be used.?(it very expensive at that dose)or is there an alternative to the primo.im assuming the dbal and test would make excellent gains without the primo but plz advise.
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Yeah, bump for that. Any suitable replacements for the primo.

I have something in mind, but wanted to see what others would suggest, IF a replacement could be made that's similar enough. Sure, there are things that are close, but what alternatives, if any, are suitable?
 
This is what he did...I asked him

lots of dbol and primo for 3 months at a time and then would bridge on a low dose of deca for four weeks and then hit the dbol/primo again.

He would ramp up the dbol to 100mgs a day and ramp the primo to 1000mgs a week. Then taper off into a 250mg deca a week bridge.






I never asked him though :)
 
KD1 said:
Yeah we all tell our girls exactly what are cycles are.

*cough*

And they write it down and tell all their friends and roommates.

*cough*
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This guy and Arnold worked out together and used together. The guy is much older than myself, and older than Arnold as well. This guy was jacked (actually a freak), and stated he cycled with Arnold, but couldn't hang with the doses after awhile because they were much to high for him. There is a reason why I cannot say much on this....remember anonymitity is important here.

BMJ
 
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