What to do?

[Jenetic]

okay...looking for some advice...
i'd like to run my first cycle (test only)... but should i lean out a little first??? what do you guys think? I'd like to put on some more size! or should i hold off the cycle all together and keep at er naturally???
VW

The majority of unwanted and/or uneccessary fat gain during cycles is attributed to poor diet. The "seefood" diet is the path of least resistance and is just an excuse to over eat and to convince themselves that they are doing the right thing by "bulking". It's a hard fact for many people to realize that they just don't have what it takes.

With a properly managed diet and intelligent training program, there is absolutely no reason any individual cannot make excellent improvements to their body composition: gain lean body mass and reduce body fat. This is different than going to one end of the spectrum or the other. When the emphasis is foccussed on one goal or the other, a different approach should be taken.

You look fine, if not better than most people who do use AAS and I see no reason why you can't begin a cycle.

Jenetic

 

[van_wilder]

What links? The pics are on his first thread. Must not be working for you. Wilder's got some guns, and he's probably better off than a lot of people on here were when they first started gear. I still say he's ready if he wants to start.

Thanks bro... must spread karma around....

 

[van_wilder]

The majority of unwanted and/or uneccessary fat gain during cycles is attributed to poor diet. The "seefood" diet is the path of least resistance and is just an excuse to over eat and to convince themselves that they are doing the right thing by "bulking". It's a hard fact for many people to realize that they just don't have what it takes.

With a properly managed diet and intelligent training program, there is absolutely no reason any individual cannot make excellent improvements to their body composition: gain lean body mass and reduce body fat. This is different than going to one end of the spectrum to ther other. When the emphasis is foccussed on one goal or the other, a different approach should be taken.

You look fine, if not better than most people who do use AAS and I see no reason why you can't begin a cycle.

Jenetic

So assuming i just clean i should be okay? what if i were to keep bulking cleanly but throw in some cardio and something like thermorexin or an ECA stack?
VW

 

[krishna]

The majority of unwanted and/or uneccessary fat gain during cycles is attributed to poor diet. The "seefood" diet is the path of least resistance and is just an excuse to over eat and to convince themselves that they are doing the right thing by "bulking". It's a hard fact for many people to realize that they just don't have what it takes.

With a properly managed diet and intelligent training program, there is absolutely no reason any individual cannot make excellent improvements to their body composition: gain lean body mass and reduce body fat. This is different than going to one end of the spectrum to ther other. When the emphasis is foccussed on one goal or the other, a different approach should be taken.

You look fine, if not better than most people who do use AAS and I see no reason why you can't begin a cycle.

Jenetic

Jenetic has spoken! You're good to go bro.

 

[Jenetic]

So assuming i just clean i should be okay? what if i were to keep bulking cleanly but throw in some cardio and something like thermorexin or an ECA stack?
VW

I don't like the term "eating clean." since it's widely used incorrectly. You need to structure your diet properly in order to take in the correct ammount of calories and ratio of macronutrients. This is done in realtionship to your physical activity. In addition, it helps to plan it accordingly to your activity level and rest throughout the day. This is something you need to do your homework on if you haven't already done so.

If you want to add in supplements, I would reccomend a low dosage of Levorex in combination with Glucorell R, primarily for their nutrient partioning effects.

Complicate the situation by trying to do too much or attain perfection and you will find yourself wasting time on the interenet searching for answers when you should be executing your game plan and seeing results.

Keep it simple.

Jenetic

 

[Joe Stenson]

I don't like the term "eating clean." since it's widely used incorrectly. You need to structure your diet properly in order to take in the correct ammount of calories and ratio of macronutrients. This is done in realtionship to your physical activity. In addition, it helps to plan it accordingly to your activity level and rest throughout the day. This is something you need to do your homework on if you haven't already done so.

GREAT post. I can't believe how many people say "just cut out the junk and you'll be fine". Trust me, I could get fat eating chicken and rice. It wouldn't be as much fun getting fat eating pizza and ice cream, but I could still do it .

Anyway I digress, point is eating clean and throwing a couple cardio sessions in here and there isn't enough to ensure purely LBM gains. Counting calories is a must.

 

[will b huge]

The majority of unwanted and/or uneccessary fat gain during cycles is attributed to poor diet. The "seefood" diet is the path of least resistance and is just an excuse to over eat and to convince themselves that they are doing the right thing by "bulking". It's a hard fact for many people to realize that they just don't have what it takes.

With a properly managed diet and intelligent training program, there is absolutely no reason any individual cannot make excellent improvements to their body composition: gain lean body mass and reduce body fat. This is different than going to one end of the spectrum or the other. When the emphasis is foccussed on one goal or the other, a different approach should be taken.

You look fine, if not better than most people who do use AAS and I see no reason why you can't begin a cycle.

Jenetic

The above statement is EXACTLY what I posted yesterday on page 2 of this thread.....I feel EXACTLY the same way, but as ULTER pointed out, if you don't eat properly, you will just get fatter and fatter, not quite bulking.....YOU WILL lose body fat and increase lean body mass if you put in the discipline and are smart.....

 

[krishna]

Granted a lot of people don't really know how to "eat clean", but to those who do, "eating clean" is just an easier way to say it.

 

[Joe Stenson]

Granted a lot of people don't really know how to "eat clean", but to those who do, "eating clean" is just an easier way to say it.

There's also lots of foods that are kind of "on the fence" when it comes to whether or not they are "clean". I mean you have things like McDonald's burgers which fairly clearly are not clean, and you have a plain chicken breast with a bowl of oats which obviously is. But what about something like a perogy? I'm sure to some this would be clean, and to others it wouldn't be.

 

[van_wilder]

I don't like the term "eating clean." since it's widely used incorrectly. You need to structure your diet properly in order to take in the correct ammount of calories and ratio of macronutrients. This is done in realtionship to your physical activity. In addition, it helps to plan it accordingly to your activity level and rest throughout the day. This is something you need to do your homework on if you haven't already done so.

If you want to add in supplements, I would reccomend a low dosage of Levorex in combination with Glucorell R, primarily for their nutrient partioning effects.

Complicate the situation by trying to do too much or attain perfection and you will find yourself wasting time on the interenet searching for answers when you should be executing your game plan and seeing results.

Keep it simple.

Jenetic

Okay... so for the most part i sit in an office all day in front of a computer... the only real physical activity i do is at the gym...
I've tried to do my homework with regards to nutrition, but it is difficult to find this type of info.. where do i look? My long term goal (doubt it's possible but it's nice to dream) would be to possibly compete in a small show one day! So what i'm saying is i'm willing to put in the work researching and living the lifestyle... i'm just not sure where to look for the right info!
I do have to admit though that i'm not 100% with my diet by any means... i usually just make sure i'm getting enough protein and veg in a day, and throw in some rice, potatoes and whole weat bread as a side. I wouldn't be able to give you an exact calorie count... is this something i need to have perfected before i start my cycle?
(sorry about all the stupid questions guys, i really don't know who else to ask and i really appreciate you help and patience)
VW