What to do?

[krishna]

There's also lots of foods that are kind of "on the fence" when it comes to whether or not they are "clean". I mean you have things like McDonald's burgers which fairly clearly are not clean, and you have a plain chicken breast with a bowl of oats which obviously is. But what about something like a perogy? I'm sure to some this would be clean, and to others it wouldn't be.

I don't know what perogy is. To me, eating clean is getting the right protein/carb(simple and complex)/fats ratio into the right amount of calories for each meal. I only eat whole foods (I stay away from processed foods) including raw veges, nuts, meats, fruits, dairy, and whole grains (brown rice, oats etc.). The only time I intake sugar is post-workout, and I don't even consider starchy carbs such as pastas clean, so I don't eat those either.

 

[Ulter]

I don't know what perogy is

Sheltered life huh? Bro you haven't lived until you've had a blueberry perogy. It's POLISH food. Kind of like a big ravioli.

 

[needsize]

originally I was going to say drop a few % of bf before starting, but some of the other guys like jenetic have a point. If you keep your diet clean, but very high in protein, then no reason why you cant start a cycle now....you already look better than a lot of guys with a bunch of cycles behind them

 

[pentatonic]

My opinion is your good to go now. Eat good foods while on. Your bodyfat % is not bad and I wouldn't worry about dropping it before you start your cycle. I think you will see your bodyfat % drop and gain lean mass while on your first cycle as long as your diet is in check. DIET is the key.

I would go with 400-500mg of Test Enanthate or Cypionate per week for 10 weeks.
Have Nolva on hand in case gyno symptoms arise, probably won't but just in case.
THen follow a good PCT plan.

 

[Joe Stenson]

To me, eating clean is getting the right protein/carb(simple and complex)/fats ratio into the right amount of calories for each meal. I only eat whole foods (I stay away from processed foods) including raw veges, nuts, meats, fruits, dairy, and whole grains (brown rice, oats etc.). The only time I intake sugar is post-workout, and I don't even consider starchy carbs such as pastas clean, so I don't eat those either.

You see "eating clean" to me means something slightly different, and I'm sure it does for a lot of people. Personally, I don't think "eating clean" has anything to do with ratios. I think it only encompasses the types of food you are eating. Ratios may or may not be important, but you could still eat crap and have the desired ratios.

The foods you listed sound good and I agree with; pasta is one of those "on the fence" things I mentioned.

I don't know what perogy is.

Sheltered life huh? Bro you haven't lived until you've had a blueberry perogy. It's POLISH food. Kind of like a big ravioli.

lol, I've never heard of a blueberry one before, but sounds interesting.

A perogy is usually sort of a dumpling-like thing with potato and something else (cheese, onion, bacon, etc.) as the filling. The macros of one are actually quite good, but this depends on how you cook it. They taste a LOT better fried in butter or oil and then with a huge dollop of sour cream on top. Mmmmmmmmmmmm...but at that point they're definitely not "clean", lol.

 

[krishna]

You see "eating clean" to me means something slightly different, and I'm sure it does for a lot of people. Personally, I don't think "eating clean" has anything to do with ratios. I think it only encompasses the types of food you are eating. Ratios may or may not be important, but you could still eat crap and have the desired ratios.

The foods you listed sound good and I agree with; pasta is one of those "on the fence" things I mentioned.





lol, I've never heard of a blueberry one before, but sounds interesting.

A perogy is usually sort of a dumpling-like thing with potato and something else (cheese, onion, bacon, etc.) as the filling. The macros of one are actually quite good, but this depends on how you cook it. They taste a LOT better fried in butter or oil and then with a huge dollop of sour cream on top. Mmmmmmmmmmmm...but at that point they're definitely not "clean", lol.

You could also have the right foods and the wrong ratios.....eating clean means you gotta have both.

 

[Ulter]

No that's right joe, no one would ever mistake a perogy for clean diet food. Depending on where you go in Poland you get them with all kinds of filling. Many people put things in them for breakfast or as a desert. But yes, they are a version of Polish dumpling.

 

[krishna]

You could also have the right foods and the wrong ratios.....eating clean means you gotta have both.

And in order to get you desired ratios, you cannot still eat crap.

 

[Joe Stenson]

You could also have the right foods and the wrong ratios.....eating clean means you gotta have both.

I would still consider that eating clean. I also don't believe in ratios, but if you're diet was really off base (something absurd like 90% carbs, 5% fat, 5% protein) I'd just chalk that up to a lack of knowledge. The guy would still be eating "clean", maybe not eating intelligently, but his food choices are still "clean".

 

[krishna]

We're not arguing over word play are we? If someone doesn't have the right ratios, they won't get the right results.