what to do for low natty test after cycle

[skaman007]

hi im 42 yrs old .have done many dbol only cycles .and 3 inj test e 12 weekers .off cycle my test has twice been checked in the last 18months at only 330 ..i usually gain 10-12lbs of my test e dbol cycle ..but after pct i always lose it all ...i have tried many pcts,,,,
clomid and nolva
sustain alpha .and nolva
i eat well and train hard in pct ,take creatine and phtyo test after pct..still go back down to 185lbs .from 197 on cycle..
so should i consider blast crusing for 9 months and just have 3 montHs of a yr?
0r instead of pct aFTER MY 12 WEEK CYcLE WHAT IF I RUN DERMACRINE FOR 8 WEEKS THEN GO BACK ON ?

 

[pbhardbody]

Are you wanting to get your natural test levels back up, or keep the gains youve made during cycle?

 

[skaman007]

both are an option ...im sick of losing all gains ...and at my age i doubt i could get my natty levels up permanently.

 

[eClenbuterol]

What is PCT like??? studies have shown Tribulis and HcGenerate helps

 

[Terumo]

I take test e for hrt and will be on for the rest of my life. Is yours prescription?

both are an option ...im sick of losing all gains ...and at my age i doubt i could get my natty levels up permanently.

 

[skaman007]

I take test e for hrt and will be on for the rest of my life. Is yours prescription?

im not on hrt..

 

[skaman007]

What is PCT like??? studies have shown Tribulis and HcGenerate helps

pct has been nolva .clomid....also tried sustain ....phyto test .sustain and phyto helps with libido but not keepin the weight on

 

[skaman007]

Are you wanting to get your natural test levels back up, or keep the gains youve made during cycle?

would sarms s4 be the way to help me keep my gains ???

 

[pbhardbody]

would sarms s4 be the way to help me keep my gains ???

Sarms would be one option. Ive read lots of good stuff about it. There is a EF thread here:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/my-sarms-s4-experience-681165.html

Another option would be to run low dose of anavar as a bridge between cycles to keep some of the gains.

How much test e are you doing when you run it? What are your stats?

Also does your diet stay consistent whether on or off and is it in check or shit?

What about training - do you still train hard when off cycle or do you have trouble recovering?

Also do you run any hcg or proviron when on cycle?

IMO you may be losing your gains in part because your natty test is so low. If you can do some things to get that up, but still cycle, I think you wld see more of the gains stay with you.

 

[skaman007]

Sarms would be one option. Ive read lots of good stuff about it. There is a EF thread here:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/my-sarms-s4-experience-681165.html

Another option would be to run low dose of anavar as a bridge between cycles to keep some of the gains.

How much test e are you doing when you run it? What are your stats?

Also does your diet stay consistent whether on or off and is it in check or shit?

What about training - do you still train hard when off cycle or do you have trouble recovering?

Also do you run any hcg or proviron when on cycle?

IMO you may be losing your gains in part because your natty test is so low. If you can do some things to get that up, but still cycle, I think you wld see more of the gains stay with you.

i usually run 500mgs for 12 weeks with dbol kicker.
im 5ft8,,,185lbs,14pc bodyfat.
diet on cycle is 3500 cals,250g protien,100g fat
diet off cycle 3200 cals,200g protien,100g fat.
training is 5x5 for 8 weeks ,,then 4sets of 6-8 reps for 8 wks ,then 4 sets of 10-15 reps for 8 wks...rinse and repeat
no hcg on cycle ,take 1000ius eod for 10 days pree pct.tried proviron on cycle once at 25mg per day ...

 

[thelion2005]

Welcome to HRT. I would go 6 months aas free to make sure you need it. Body can bounch around a lot.

HRT is no big deal. I'm glad it is out there.

 

[timtim]

why not go to an endo or an hrt clinician and discuss options? im 32 and can start whenever i want. i have the bloodwork to back up the claims and my doc said when im done having kids we can start. if you tested low, get a script.

 

[skaman007]

why not go to an endo or an hrt clinician and discuss options? im 32 and can start whenever i want. i have the bloodwork to back up the claims and my doc said when im done having kids we can start. if you tested low, get a script.

can hrt dose be done subq? think i read sumwhere that sum guys do 0.5 ml sub q for trt purposes

 

[timtim]

can hrt dose be done subq? think i read sumwhere that sum guys do 0.5 ml sub q for trt purposes

really it depends on the doctor you go to. they may want to start you on the gel first. find a good doctor who is more aggressive and will start with injectables.

 

[pbhardbody]

can hrt dose be done subq? think i read sumwhere that sum guys do 0.5 ml sub q for trt purposes

hrt dose of what sub q skaman? you can get more than .5 ml of test prescribed.

I use a TRT/HRT clinic myself. Mine didnt start me on creme. I started with injectables.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Even if you opt for HRT, do this...


HMG -- 2 shots 3 days apart

UNLEASHED

POST CYCLE

HCGenerate

Arimidex.

2 weeks, then start BRIDGE.

It'll be like you never came off.

 

[skaman007]

Even if you opt for HRT, do this...


HMG -- 2 shots 3 days apart

UNLEASHED

POST CYCLE

HCGenerate

Arimidex.

2 weeks, then start BRIDGE.

It'll be like you never came off.

so do people on hrt still use supps like hcgenerate and bridge?

 

[pbhardbody]

so do people on hrt still use supps like hcgenerate and bridge?

IMO most on TRT/HRT that is medically supervised dont have to cycle on and off. The scripts are considered a therapeutic level at no more than 600 mg / week of test and/or deca combined.

If you use hcg during therapy it will help keep your natural test levels higher so that if you want to have kids, you can come off and do a PCT and get good recovery of natural test levels.

Keep in mind that 600 mg of human grade is equivalent to much higher mgs in UG grade.
Probably 900 - 1000 mg as dosing is more accurate.

Because you dont really have to cycle on/off there is little need for PCT supps. However if there is a supp that keeps levels up during therapy, you could certainly use them.

PM me if you have any other questions for me.