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Fighting Fit
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I've done a fair few, first you have to decide what you want to get out of it, then you need to look at the types that fit the criteria and try out a couple of clubs in that area.
For instance if you want a grappling art have a look at bjj or judo. Personally I would love to do bjj. I have mainly practices Kung Fu (Northern Mantis), Boxing, Muay Thai and a bit of ground fighting but I love boxing, my fitness was incredible when I was doing it and my punching power and foot work was excellent.
If you want more advice email me through my site at Combat Fitness and I should be able to help you.
For instance if you want a grappling art have a look at bjj or judo. Personally I would love to do bjj. I have mainly practices Kung Fu (Northern Mantis), Boxing, Muay Thai and a bit of ground fighting but I love boxing, my fitness was incredible when I was doing it and my punching power and foot work was excellent.
If you want more advice email me through my site at Combat Fitness and I should be able to help you.
geronimo66
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I am a big fan of Silat, at its core it is one of the better systems IMO. Like any system it has flaws, but I think its core principles are very good.
For real life I would stay away from Judo, teakwondo, BJJ
For real life I would stay away from Judo, teakwondo, BJJ
you have to see whats available in your area then you have to go look at some classes and see how the class is run
most places have free trial periods so take a class and see what you think..
dont just go by the art..
there are a lot of bs instructors in every style and you dont want a 'good' style with a 'crappy' instructor.
good luck
most places have free trial periods so take a class and see what you think..
dont just go by the art..
there are a lot of bs instructors in every style and you dont want a 'good' style with a 'crappy' instructor.
good luck
Fighting Fit
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I have to agree with Judo Tom there, he is absolutely right, you can have the best style for you but if it isn't taught right for you you'll never get anywhere. Instructor is the most important factor in the style to choose.
you should probubly find a school that offers training in both grappling and standup
for practicality
on the street you will likely want to stick to standup because if you are outnumbered grappling with one of them while the others beat onyou is only slightly more effective then curling up into a ball and waiting till they get tired of beating you
on the other hand if you only practice standup and get into it with a streetfighter that wants to roll (grapple) you will be in a bad way if you don't at least have the grappling ability to keep him off of you or work some escapes to get back to your feet
for practicality
on the street you will likely want to stick to standup because if you are outnumbered grappling with one of them while the others beat onyou is only slightly more effective then curling up into a ball and waiting till they get tired of beating you
on the other hand if you only practice standup and get into it with a streetfighter that wants to roll (grapple) you will be in a bad way if you don't at least have the grappling ability to keep him off of you or work some escapes to get back to your feet
Djimbe
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honestly Krav is more about marketing hype than substance , its really a poorly Slapped together "Best Of" system , and such things tend to suck IRL .
Think about this :
Everyone thinks that JKD is the greatest system ever - why is it that NONE of Bruce Lees students have ever produced a successful MMA fighter ? Not even ONE ? Because systems that try to be Highlight Reels tend to fail miserably against anyone with training in a REAL , TIME TESTED system .
Think about this :
Everyone thinks that JKD is the greatest system ever - why is it that NONE of Bruce Lees students have ever produced a successful MMA fighter ? Not even ONE ? Because systems that try to be Highlight Reels tend to fail miserably against anyone with training in a REAL , TIME TESTED system .
shamrock11
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It all depends on what you want out of it. As far as a better art there is none. The only thing that makes that art different is the person doing it. To be at street fighting you'll have to take a few different martial arts. Like boxing for hands, tae kwon do for legs and Bjj for ground fighting. If you are taking it for health you can do anything that you will enjoy, but no one art will prepare you for street fighting b/c every art is lacking in some for weither it's kicking, punching or ground fighting.
shamrock11
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Djimbe said:
Actually the reason the JKD fighters are not good at MMA is b/c they aren't good enough it's b/c they don't compete in things like that. JKD is not meant to be an art to prepare you to fight in some ring in front of a bunch of people and on T.V Is was made as a means to take the good points of each matrial and apply them in one martial art and to address the weaknesses of each art.
Too many people have fake JKD schools, which means they are not real JKD students. This art is one of the biggest type for fakes just b/c of the name Bruce Lee made and had too many money hungry people claming they were JKD. Sorry just had to clear that up.
Djimbe
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Bro , Im sorry but Im going to have to call BS here , I mean , look at Inosanto's current Program , its Suriste Muay Thai and Machado BJJ , look at those monkeys over at Straight Blast Gym , its Bjj , Boxing , etc. ...
JKD has always been comprised nearly completely of SPORT SYSTEMS , and yet none of its practitioners seem to do verry well in the sports THEMSELVES .
Why ? Because the idea behind "Best Ofs" is that you can take the "Best" moves from all arts and have a SUPERART !!!
When what you end up with is a Platypus . A creature actually good for very little .
And Im not referring to the "McDojos" of JKD , although I happen to think that they are all McDojos , for the most part (and if not its likely because they also teach something in Depth other than JKD) , Im talking about all the guys that actually knew Bruce , and get their faces on the cover of BBM , IK , KFM , whatever .
JKD has always been comprised nearly completely of SPORT SYSTEMS , and yet none of its practitioners seem to do verry well in the sports THEMSELVES .
Why ? Because the idea behind "Best Ofs" is that you can take the "Best" moves from all arts and have a SUPERART !!!
When what you end up with is a Platypus . A creature actually good for very little .
And Im not referring to the "McDojos" of JKD , although I happen to think that they are all McDojos , for the most part (and if not its likely because they also teach something in Depth other than JKD) , Im talking about all the guys that actually knew Bruce , and get their faces on the cover of BBM , IK , KFM , whatever .
shamrock11 said:
so what you are saying is JKD isn't ment for MMA style tournaments because it's, a style that basically is MMA
JKD is, from my limited understanding different things to different people
it's about finding what options work well for you, and what options don't work well for you, and improving your weaknesses and using your strengths to best advantage
but that's my take on it
damachine said:
argh. this question is asking for controversy, and it's little surprise that we got it.
The "which art is best" is a complicated question.
The answer is it's own question. "Best for what?"
Best for self-defense? This has more to do with how an art is practiced than what its fundamentals are. Fancy forms and intricate moves tend not to hold up in a real situation when they've been practiced in an unrealistic one. Kung fu if practiced realistically could probably be effective.
Best for achieving spirituality? Beats me, find one that's eastern and religious-y.
Best for fulfilling your own sense of accomplishment? Pick a mcdojo where you can get a black belt in 2 years.
Every person has a specific need that martial arts fulfill, and figuring out what that is will help someone in recommending one.
theoak01
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Krav is popular and I agree there are alot of bad instructors trying to pass it off as real krav, personally I wouldnt learn it unless it was from someone who served some time in the isreali special forces,but good luck finding that.
the system isnt the problem its who is teaching it and trying to make money off the name,and that can be said for any system
the system isnt the problem its who is teaching it and trying to make money off the name,and that can be said for any system
Djimbe
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Isreili special Forces also happen to carry around GUNS AND KNIVES AND GRENADES and junk . The system itself , much like the SCARS craze of the early 90's Has really never held up to much in the way of Scrutiny when ppl werent Strapped , or havent had a WHOLE BUNCH of training outside Scars . But for some reason everytime someone shouts "ISRIELI SPECIAL FORCES !!!!11woneleventie!!!" and everyone stops using their Critical thinking skills and gets all Impressed .
When the hell has Israel ever won any kind of war ? And against whom ? Its not like their winning with kicks , elbowlocks and chokes , anyway .
Scars is supposed to be Based upon Judo , wich is one of the bst spread systems in the world , and youre more likely to succeed with it , than with someone trying to make a Platypus .
When the hell has Israel ever won any kind of war ? And against whom ? Its not like their winning with kicks , elbowlocks and chokes , anyway .
Scars is supposed to be Based upon Judo , wich is one of the bst spread systems in the world , and youre more likely to succeed with it , than with someone trying to make a Platypus .
AEKDB
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Djimbe said:
Ummmmmmmmm..............
http://www.onwar.com/aced/data/yankee/yomkippur1973.htm
http://www.jasonkelly.com/israel-wars.html
theoak01
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lol isreal is at war currently with palestine and has been for a long fn time. you dont seem to educated in this and it seems your just trying to push the system you take so Ill let you continue your arguement solo.
btw Ive trained in 3 different styles in my life including some wrestling so I have alot to judge from
btw Ive trained in 3 different styles in my life including some wrestling so I have alot to judge from
Djimbe said:
that is a good question
it is valid to ask about a style but it iseven better to ask about the teacher
somethings are obvious
hey guys I wan't to improve my boxing, would BJJ do it?
you can generally say no to that question reguardless of who is teaching the BJJ class
but mostly the teacher is a better thing to judge then the style
I mean you can have two schools of the same style, on churning out asskickers and one churning out performance artists and believe me the students from both schools will not be 'equals'
Djimbe
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casualbb said:
Okay , now that youre SUPER Imprtessed with your knowledge of Israel , I have asked the same question about SCARS ... You really think the war was Won with Krav Maga ? Name ANY Militairy conflict that has been won with it . You CAN name them for Silat , Arnis , Xingyiquan , Jujutsu ...
But not Krav Maga .
People SHOUT like its whats used againt the Enemy , not Guns and Knives and Bombs .
Oh , and yes , ve unfortunately been exposed to a LOT of KM training at some pretty Rediculous prices - I mean to say "High Levels" .
Sadnly nothing more than RSBD style situational Response Training ala the classic "Womens Self Defense Course" thats far more likely to get a student beaten into the floor than teach them how to survive a fight .
The fact is that SRT DOES NOT WORK for the way that humans learn , but its the easiest way to "Teach Non-Teachers How To Teach" so people keep constructing "arts" around it . You will find this kind of training in NO other sportive or Physical activity .
Because Sports teams like to WIN .
the Pyramid-Scheme-Marketing style ALONE should be enough to raise most ppls Eyebrows , and make them question whats going on , not to MENTION the fact that although KM is JUDO-based more than half of its Centers are in TKD McDojos . Sorry , EX TKD .
From a Skills standpoint , Its honestly my opinion that Krav , much like the ATTACKPROOF program gets its studentsa hurt . It translates MUCH more in the way of Confidnece than it dioes in the way of skills, making students tend to bite off more then they can chew . A 1-year KM student is far behind in terms of being able to "Handle themselves" when compared to other training sets/methodologies .
The way that KM ppl keep this from being Revealed is quite simple . They only tend to "teach" it to ppl that can already fight ! They take guys whom have been doing a TMA for 10+ years already , and they make him a Franchise , and no one coming in off the street is going to notice that he cant handle himself . So Joes TKD is now Joes KM , but Joes Fighting Skill from TKD hasnt gone anywhere .
And not only have I sparred with KM people , but Ive had students , and FRIENDS students do the same , in Dissimilart areas , and all with similar results . Whern matched with their peers , the y would dominate , then the Headman or Senior Student would step in and "Show What KM Was All About" ... This process repeated itself so many times in so many places we actually lost count .
Djimbe
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Casual BB :
Your Post lacks in fundamental Logic .
While one cannot know whom the best teacher amongst the legit , proven systems of MA are , its quite easy to spot a system that has some things that are Severely Lacking .
There is an ENOURMOUS difference in being able to spot Systemic McDojoism and Pseudo-Science , and in NOT being able to pick where the best school is i9n an area without even being able to know where that is .
Yes , there is a list of bullshit styles out there . Just because some Actor or Militairy Commander out there CLAIMS it works dosent mean that its actually had any proven successes .
I know you dont like me , bro , but please , if youre going to com at me in future at least make sure that Im doing whatever it is that youre accusing me of .
I never mentioned any style FOR RECOMENDATION . I never said that there weret bad ones out there , just that there are MANY MANY GOOD ones , and that the best school would be dictated by his locale . I can pretty much tell you that "Ninjitsu" will be bullshit no matter where you go . As will any "Pressure Point" nonsense . Or "Yellow Bamboo" , for that matter ...
So how is it that Im NOT following my own advice , exactly ?
Your Post lacks in fundamental Logic .
While one cannot know whom the best teacher amongst the legit , proven systems of MA are , its quite easy to spot a system that has some things that are Severely Lacking .
There is an ENOURMOUS difference in being able to spot Systemic McDojoism and Pseudo-Science , and in NOT being able to pick where the best school is i9n an area without even being able to know where that is .
Yes , there is a list of bullshit styles out there . Just because some Actor or Militairy Commander out there CLAIMS it works dosent mean that its actually had any proven successes .
I know you dont like me , bro , but please , if youre going to com at me in future at least make sure that Im doing whatever it is that youre accusing me of .
I never mentioned any style FOR RECOMENDATION . I never said that there weret bad ones out there , just that there are MANY MANY GOOD ones , and that the best school would be dictated by his locale . I can pretty much tell you that "Ninjitsu" will be bullshit no matter where you go . As will any "Pressure Point" nonsense . Or "Yellow Bamboo" , for that matter ...
So how is it that Im NOT following my own advice , exactly ?
Djimbe
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Kane Fan said:
Oh , MAN , youve never seen the Yellow Bamboo thing ?
Really ?
Umm , theyre like , well , the Moonies from the 60's , but of MA !
http://www.yellowbamboo.info/
dude , Ive - in more than a quarter century involved in the Martial Arts - NEVER had a "Pressure Point Attack" actuallly WORK on me . I guess my Chi isnt strong enough or whatever , but Ive payed GOOD MONEY to Montigue , to Dillman , to all of them , and I havent felt it yet .
Its kind of like those Kong Jiin fuckers ...
some how that crap works EVERY TIME on their Students , but they cant reproduce the effects on someone or something that dosent believe in them I want to see your "No Touch knockout on a cow or a housecat ...
Just like every OTHER thing we humans do , the cat will give us that "Youre An Idiot" look that they always do lest we be feeding them , and move right on .
how are we defining pressure points here
you say they don't work on you
doyou mean to say if someone pushes a finger into your armpit it does not hurt?
I'm not talking about pressurepoint KO's or any of that highly unlikely shit I'm talking about using pressure points for distraction or other such ways like to aid an escape etc
you say they don't work on you
doyou mean to say if someone pushes a finger into your armpit it does not hurt?
I'm not talking about pressurepoint KO's or any of that highly unlikely shit I'm talking about using pressure points for distraction or other such ways like to aid an escape etc
i really only use pressure points while grappling..and i am definatley not talking knock out stuff.. just pain stuff or points that get your opponent to move a certain way.. which for me means im normally trying to straighten there neck out or get them to lift there chin for a choke
i have personally never ever seen a pressure point STRIKE knock out like kung fu style.. i have seen pressure points used to knock someone out but it seemed to be just from pain (wrist/chin/ribs) and that is not what most people are talking about when they say pressure point attacks... imo
i have personally never ever seen a pressure point STRIKE knock out like kung fu style.. i have seen pressure points used to knock someone out but it seemed to be just from pain (wrist/chin/ribs) and that is not what most people are talking about when they say pressure point attacks... imo
