what is your aromatase inhibitor of choice?

[Anthony Roberts]

Maybe the guy is talking about this thread:

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/s...ogenx-bloodwork-before-use-during-527359.html

I deleted some posts in it, because the guy who was posting was just totally wrong and being a bit confrontational and more than a bit silly. In the end, I simply proved him 100% wrong, for everyone to see. I deleted all of the posts from someone else in that thread too, who was just jumping on the bandwagon and calling me a liar. That (latter) person actually man'ed up and admitted openly that he was totally wrong on steroid.com, later, and apologized to me (publicly). The former was simply banned here for assclownery.

In the end though, I deleted shit that was wrong, and eventually proved it to be so, irrefutably...so who cares if I deleted it?

 

[Mrpumped]

That first line isn't even a sentence. Do you want to try again?

By the way, I love it when nobodies use infantile curses to try and insult a professional. You don't have to waste time figuring out if they even have anything to say. You know right off the bat they're just a moron.

You're not a professional. If you were you wouldn't waste your time replying if what was said didn't make sense. You're a somebody because you took other peoples products and put something together and called it "My new product"? Anyone can do that. I can take a few different supplements mix them together and call it "My new product". It might even get a few suckers, like yours did, to waste their money on it. Good day, you professional you.

 

[Nelson Montana]

You're not a professional. If you were you wouldn't waste your time replying if what was said didn't make sense. You're a somebody because you took other peoples products and put something together and called it "My new product"? Anyone can do that. I can take a few different supplements mix them together and call it "My new product". It might even get a few suckers, like yours did, to waste their money on it. Good day, you professional you.

Wrong again. I reply because I like my work and am aware that I need to go to the people to explain my products. It's like MuscleTech that can just spend millions on ads to unsuspecting newbies. I'm designing products for a discriminating audience.

I don't know where you got this idea that I took other peoples products but you couldn't be more wrong. One of the toughest things I've had to do is bring attention to the fact that my products were like no others. They are all completely original and if you knew anything about them you'd be aware of that.

So stop it, okay? And by the way...the "good day"...that's been over since about 1998. Get a new line. Better yet, sit back and let the adults talk.

 

[Mrpumped]

Wrong again. I reply because I like my work and am aware that I need to go to the people to explain my products. It's like MuscleTech that can just spend millions on ads to unsuspecting newbies. I'm designing products for a discriminating audience.

I don't know where you got this idea that I took other peoples products but you couldn't be more wrong. One of the toughest things I've had to do is bring attention to the fact that my products were like no others. They are all completely original and if you knew anything about them you'd be aware of that.

So stop it, okay? And by the way...the "good day"...that's been over since about 1998. Get a new line. Better yet, sit back and let the adults talk.

Sorry! I got confused between you and Anthony Roberts.

 

[Anthony Roberts]

You're not a professional. If you were you wouldn't waste your time replying if what was said didn't make sense. You're a somebody because you took other peoples products and put something together and called it "My new product"? Anyone can do that. I can take a few different supplements mix them together and call it "My new product". It might even get a few suckers, like yours did, to waste their money on it. Good day, you professional you.

Sorry! I got confused between you and Anthony Roberts.

I took other people's product? There was NEVER a nutritional product in the world, ever, with Fadogia Aggrestis before mine came out. I came out with a product that never existed in any form before mine.

On the other hand Anafit has ripped off their entire product line..here's a list of some top sellers and the products that came out prior to them, which they ripped off:

YES/Yohimburn = Yo-Be-Lean and Lipoderm (both on the market way before YES)
AIFM = Topical ATD, ATD was put out by ALRI and a Topical AI was done by Ergo
SesaPure = Sesalean (Avant's version came out first)

Lets get real here. AnaFit ripped their entire product line, and my very first product out of the gates was a home run, and totally unique. People rip me off, not the other way around, while AnaFit never came out with a single original product...I can name at least one product with every ingredient they have in theirs, which came out first.

They promote themselves as geniuses, yet all they've ever come up with is something that someone else already put on the market. Jokers.

 

[mm107]

Just when I thought no one was going to talk shit you and AR jump right ahead and attack a product that can't be deffended because the makers of the product are not allowed here. The both of you need to grow up.

By the way my choice is AIFM.

im with you Mrpumped, if AIFM didnt work it wouldnt sell, preety simple to me......

 

[Anthony Roberts]

im with you Mrpumped, if AIFM didnt work it wouldnt sell, preety simple to me......

It doesn't really sell here any longer. It only sells where they control the sites. If it were good and it worked, it would sell everywhere, regardless of whether they advertise on those sites or not.

MyoGenX is used by people on virtually every site on the 'net, and has gotten positive results everywhere.

AIFM is used where AnaFit controls the site.

Don't you think that's odd?

 

[triceptor]

I don't have any dog in this fight. This is just an observation.. OK?

I've spent my whole professional career in the electronics industry - consumer and B2B. Prior to that I was in the allied health field. All in all I've never seen another industry that seems to pride itself on "who came up with what first".

Who cares?

When SONY came up with the CD technology, had they had the same attitude that "we" have in this industry (hope you don't mind me including myself as part of the group) - there would have been very little advances to the technology. Everyone adopted the CD format without any shame. They all made money. Samsung didn't have to fight detractors accusing them of not coming up with their own technology to combat the CD. Its a compliment as well as logical business to adopt something that works - and build upon it. Its organic product evolution.

Every time another supp company takes an existing "technology" and adds/changes/compliments/copies it from a predecessors formulation it increases the quality of the supplement industry landscape as a whole. Not everyone is going to purchase a specific product from a specific company. Some will buy because they like the ad campaign better - even though the ingredients are exactly the same.

And as for producing similar formulations - its done in every other industry under the sun - without any inherent shame. Look at Coke and Pepsi - slight variations of the same product. Yet they seem to co-exist and have a satisfactory market shares.

I don't mean to sound gay here (no disrespect to the homosexuals out there) - but we should be embracing any variation of a product that a company seems to have the wisdom and balls to introduce - whether a flop or a success. It ALL increases the richness and diversity of OUR industry. The sales numbers should be the measure of a products success - not who copied who. If I copy a product that you produce but my sales dwarf yours by 7 fold - who is the better business person? Who's product is a hit? And bashing one an other's products just causes consumer distrust and lack of confidence in the industry as a whole.

When I think about why this occurs in this industry I find myself leaning toward the reason that those who do their homework and have the foresight to introduce a product that delivers what it promises want to be recognized for their innovations. In the electronics industry you can patent or license a technology and then you reap financial rewards when a competitor uses your technology. Same in the pharma industry. In this industry, if you're a leader or innovator there is little reward because after enduring the bashing of your new product, if its a success, the same detractors simply copy it and reap the rewards - never paying you the respect or acknowledgement you deserved.

Again, I have no constructive suggestions.. this is just an observation.

OK, you can start flaming me now....

 

[Anthony Roberts]

I don't have any dog in this fight. This is just an observation.. OK?

OK, you can start flaming me now....

However, you get a certain amount of credibility for coming up with it first. That's what's at stake...credibility. I don't care about the money, personally.

Anafit, imho, tried to pass themselves off as some kind of supplement and steroid genius-types, when really, they just stole formulas and information that were/are/was already on the market. It's not the copy-cat thing that irks me, it's the claim that the copy-cats are anything special.

Those guys convinced everyone here that they were something special, for years...some kind of scientists or gurus, by simply releasing products that had been on the market already, to what we call an "inflexible" market, where they control the flow of information.

Then they used that leverage and ability to control the flow of information to bully other sponsors off the site, and attack every product and person who they perceived as a threat.

That's the issue I have with them...they deceived some people, and when they couldn't, they bullied others. Others (Caleb/Par) they banned when they couldn't handle them (which they did to me as well, after editing my posts).

That's just my observation and opinion.

They tried to attack Primordial Performance, Myself, Nelson, Omega, Ag-guys, A.L. Rea, etc, etc...every sponsor/author I've seen here has basically been attacked by them, and they used their undeserved reputation and power to (re)enforce their bullying and increase their sales.

 

[Parm]

I don't have any dog in this fight. This is just an observation.. OK?

I've spent my whole professional career in the electronics industry - consumer and B2B. Prior to that I was in the allied health field. All in all I've never seen another industry that seems to pride itself on "who came up with what first".

Who cares?

When SONY came up with the CD technology, had they had the same attitude that "we" have in this industry (hope you don't mind me including myself as part of the group) - there would have been very little advances to the technology. Everyone adopted the CD format without any shame. They all made money. Samsung didn't have to fight detractors accusing them of not coming up with their own technology to combat the CD. Its a compliment as well as logical business to adopt something that works - and build upon it. Its organic product evolution.

Every time another supp company takes an existing "technology" and adds/changes/compliments/copies it from a predecessors formulation it increases the quality of the supplement industry landscape as a whole. Not everyone is going to purchase a specific product from a specific company. Some will buy because they like the ad campaign better - even though the ingredients are exactly the same.

And as for producing similar formulations - its done in every other industry under the sun - without any inherent shame. Look at Coke and Pepsi - slight variations of the same product. Yet they seem to co-exist and have a satisfactory market shares.

I don't mean to sound gay here (no disrespect to the homosexuals out there) - but we should be embracing any variation of a product that a company seems to have the wisdom and balls to introduce - whether a flop or a success. It ALL increases the richness and diversity of OUR industry. The sales numbers should be the measure of a products success - not who copied who. If I copy a product that you produce but my sales dwarf yours by 7 fold - who is the better business person? Who's product is a hit? And bashing one an other's products just causes consumer distrust and lack of confidence in the industry as a whole.

When I think about why this occurs in this industry I find myself leaning toward the reason that those who do their homework and have the foresight to introduce a product that delivers what it promises want to be recognized for their innovations. In the electronics industry you can patent or license a technology and then you reap financial rewards when a competitor uses your technology. Same in the pharma industry. In this industry, if you're a leader or innovator there is little reward because after enduring the bashing of your new product, if its a success, the same detractors simply copy it and reap the rewards - never paying you the respect or acknowledgement you deserved.

Again, I have no constructive suggestions.. this is just an observation.

OK, you can start flaming me now....

Couldn't agree more!!