What Is Going On???

[Temple]

In the past few weeks I have picked up on an undercurrent in several threads that had to do with gals feeling attacked, intimidated and just plain hurt.

I know that many times I come on very strong and as much as it pains me to say it even bitchy. Know that there is ALWAYS a smile on my face no matter what is coming out of my mouth - I live primarily in a world of men where "f#$k you" is an acceptable response to anything.
Everyone's opinions are equally valid. I for one want somebody to jump my butt if I am wrong rather than let me continue doing or thinking something that needs to be corrected. We grow thru conflict not sitting around agreeing with each other all the time.

So, if I hurt or offend you - I apologize from the bottom of my heart. I hope if I do it again you will say "Hey Temple, F#@k you"

 

[NubianBeauty]

Temple, I must say that there have been many times I wanted to post a question but was a little reluctant to do so because of all the attacks and flames that were going on at the time. I chat with a woman that won't post because of this. She reads this board alot but won't ask any questions or give her opinion on many issues... and she is very knowledgeable. I have asked her to start participating but she refuses because she will see a flame and run scared. Now it has stopped here recently, so I'm not really sure where all this is coming from.

What people need to realize is that this is a CHAT BOARD and what one types may come across very differently if spoken. And we are women, so now lets bring ESTROGEN into the equation(not ann BTW she's on test...hehe ) once that happens.. we have PMS, moodiness, and a host of other things. I for one know that I perceive things VERY different when my periond is on or going thru PMS. What I say to all this is "LIGHTEN UP" we don't know you, so you should not be taking this shit personally We are all here to learn and help each other. I for one know that I have learned sooooo much since being here that people are asking me for diet, training, and cycle advice Can I give it to them...YES!!! because of Elite Fitness!! I have researched and researched so much since being here it is unbelievable. I feel like we are a little family here

 

[bunnymt]

I have never felt intimidated. It is a shame that some people do. They shouldn't feel afraid to post here or on any of the boards because there is nothing to be afraid of. If you get flamed, you can either flame back or try to be mature about it. I hope that some of those people who are intimidated will either come back or post on this thread. Pm me if need be...

bunny

 

[Raina]

I feel much more comfy posting about more serious issues or questions on the women's board vs other parts of elite. The atmosphere here is quite different and while it's usually light-hearted here, people things more seriously.

I know I've posted some off-topic stuff as of late. I guess I just need to get some things off my mind and don't need the nonsense I'd get in the chat board for response. I love the women's board.

 

[new@gettinbig]

I do not think anyone should feel uncomfortable to post at anytime...who cares if you get flamed or if others disagree....that is what a discussion board is about..discussion!!! Why be shy? What do you have to lose??? This is the internet....if you cant post questions and find out stuff here where no one knows ya anyway..then you got a rough life ahead of you...Be confident in your questions..research them first......if it appears you did your homework and you are honestly making an attempt to find info..you wont get flamed....if you dont like how some one responds..let em know...stand up for yourself....dont just read the boards...contribute..that is what makes the board better and more informative for everyone...if you just read and never post you are just cheating yourself!

 

[NubianBeauty]

Yah, all you namby pamby girly girls! What the hell you thinking, oh, I forgot, women don't think. They only have FEELINGS. Boo hoo, you wrote something that I must take as hurtfull, and now I'm going to cry. And further more I'm not going to post - so there. See how you all like that - you mean people on Elite. Not that I've ever posted before, but I know I would get flamed.... sniff sniff. So I'm still going to TAKE all the good info from you NASTY people because it helps me.


Humm, was that a bit over the top?? - LOL

LOL!! Not over the top @ all!! I told her she was crazy for thinking she would get flamed.... so what if you do!! Spatts you are so right.... she has some serious confidence issues... Nothing to do w/ EF.

 

[wilson6]

Intimidation and feeling hurt is a state of mind. Only you control it. Make of it what you will, but before blaming the board or others for these feelings think about why you feel this way, and that may lead to a solution to those feelings.

As I said in a previous thread, no one knows who you are. If you get intimidated or hurt on this board, I can't imagine what is going to happen to you with someone directly in your face (i.e., a real life situation). Sounds like some of you need some inner reflection as this suggests an issue beyond the board that may compromise other aspects of your life. Just a thought.

W6

 

[VooDoo Lady]

I give up - I concede.

 

[VooDoo Lady]

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[VooDoo Lady]

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[Temple]

The quickest way I can think of to be totally miserable is to care overly much what everyone else thinks, says or does. Being purposely mean to each other is not okay and I wish someone would show me an example of where this happened. I jackassed around for a long time with inadequate calories and poor training, everyone was being as sweet as possible but I was NOT GETTING IT. Then Iron God got ahold of me, actually he and Lobo bad cop/good cop'd me - I don't know if they remember or even realize what they did. Tact and diplomacy is NOT IG's strong suit - think Bmom will attest to this. He is more than a little intimidating but his lack of sugar coating was the thing that got me straightened out. I could have gone and cowered in the corner and guess what - I would have been the big loser. (I love you IG if you're reading this).
One of the greatest flame wars in Elite history was probably one of the most beneficial things that ever happened to one of our Lady Mods - isn't that right Bmom...

Sometimes big dogs play kind of rough but it is more fun than sitting on the porch.

 

[starfish]

I can see both sides.. It takes a little "courage" to post here because there are some really knowledgeable people.. It's easier to ask a question then respond.. How do you respond after some of these experts.

It's a little intimidating if you are new. Kind of like your first time in the gym.. That intimidates a lot of people..

Also, sometimes I think it's hard to interpret someones intent over the internet. You may be making a comment as a little humor but without facial, expressions or tone it can easily be taken differently than intended.

My only advice to newbies.. Just have a fire extinguisher by your computer if you are going to ask a question about T3.

 

[Sassy69]

RE: flaming for T3 questions, etc.

I think there is almost no excuse for peeps who have been here a while to ask silly questions like "can you drink winny" or "what is clammbutteroil", but for newbies who ask and then get flamed, that's only going to get them frustrated and turn them away from the boards. At least they had the sense to ask before diving in & popping & shooting whatever their friend at the gym gave them.

Sure it can be frustrating for us "regulars" who see the questions all the time, but some of these peeps are new and didn't read all the stickies at the top, they are totally new to the whole discussion board thing, etc. The appropriate answer to these questions is "Welcome to the boards and do a search on "xxx" whatever".

DOn't know if that was a specific case, but its something we have seen shitloads of in the past.

 

[Iron God]

 

[new@gettinbig]

Ok folks lets be realistic...just like how in your own personal lives there are those you do not tend to get along w/ that great...you may not hate them or really dislike them but they have a different personality that you do not care for...well the same will happen on here as well...we all have different attitudes and character..some less emotional than others and we are all different so we see things differently...I would have never taken W6 posts in a negative way..but that is me and I guess I do not look into it the way some of you might...one thing you need to know is this world is cruel and people will fuck you over in a heart beat..you either have to deal w/ it or spend your life feeling miserable and worried what others think..who cares...do you see W6, spatts, Lobo, Bmom, Sassy or me???? Are we a huge part of your personal life??? NO...do not take things so personally...or look so deeply into things either...cmon guys....no hard feelings!

 

[wilson6]

"Perhaps I read less into W6's comment, but I didn't think he meant that anonymity was an excuse to be mean."

"I would just hate for you to feel like W6 meant that it was ok to be an asshole"

No anonymity is not an excuse to be mean nor is it OK to be an asshole and I didn't even have that in mind when I wrote my responses. You see, interpretation, nothing like the message that was intended. This is why one has to be careful how one reads into the message. It also tells me that perhaps some are looking for a reason to react and does this carry over into other areas of your lives? Think about it.

Case in point below. A response to one of my posts regarding the scientific literature on IGF-I from MadM.

"So by observing muscle growth in Cattle given Estrogen implants that increase both GH and IGF-1 this has nothing to do with increased levels of IGF-1. Laboratories can say one thing the real world says another. F**k sake Wilson6, for a long time there were Doctors and Scientific papers that said steroids did not increase muscle growth, but did the bodybuilders who used them believe that? One of Weiders advertising campaigns back in the 60's 70's actually stated scientific reports that said steroids have no effect on overall muscle mass."

What is the correct response on my end?

a) Nothing more, we have both presented facts and our opinions

b) Start a pissing contest with MadM

c) Tell him he's an idiot and that I have forgotten more about IGF-I than most will ever know

d) Never post again because I perceive this as an attack and was intimidated

Correct answer = a; just the facts

b = waste of time. A loop argument as I call them with Ms Wilson. One where there is no exit strategy, just plain argument for the sake of argument. No one wins. Save these for gender wars. They seem to work well when arguing with the opposite gender but don't expect a positive outcome.

c = arrogant response; typical on the guy's board and leads to a pissing contest and loop argument. For those on a cycle of Halo and lots of time to waste.

d = weak minded and insecure response, but learn to get over it, you'll be happy you did.

W6

 

[smallmovesal]

tell me about flaming and personal attacks... i know all about that..

why more people don't try approach a is beyond me.