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super_rice
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I'd like to know. A lot of people talk about their numbers, but rarely which way they do it.
What do you do? Oly Squats or PL Squats?
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curgeo
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I used to do olympic squats when I was a bodybuilder.....now I do Powerlifting style where you sit down and back. It puts more tension in the glutes/ham area so you can lift more weight.
super_rice
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i'm in the process of experimenting with the PL style - it so far doesn't really feel right to me. i can move less weight with an olympic squat, but the movement is more natural to me.
plus, i think it's a beautiful looking thing where PL squats look.... strange
plus, i think it's a beautiful looking thing where PL squats look.... strange
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curgeo
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super_rice said:
Bodybuilding squats look strange to me.
I've done them both. My base was in bodybuilding. It takes new motor learning to do powerlifting squats right. I was lucky to fall in with good partners who can watch my form on them.
It's really all about what you want to accomplish. If you want Quad growth....stick to olymic squats.......if you want to get big and strong and lift heavy weight.....learn how to do PL style squats.
SlavikHavik
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Everything has there purpose.
Youll get good growth from PL squats.
Oly squats are better on the quads.
But right now im doing
2 sets PL back squats
1 Set Front Squats
Works great for me.
But when i talk about my squat number im talking about a full pl competition squat.
Unless i say front squats.
Youll get good growth from PL squats.
Oly squats are better on the quads.
But right now im doing
2 sets PL back squats
1 Set Front Squats
Works great for me.
But when i talk about my squat number im talking about a full pl competition squat.
Unless i say front squats.
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curgeo
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quad growth yes.....functional strength? Can you explain that please?
super_rice
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curgeo said:
are olympic lifters not strong?
Lord_Suston
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HP_816 said:
I agree they are better for quads, but functional strength... I question that, top choices would be box squat Front squat or P'lifter squats
Oly Squat 365 for 2x6 mid workout, RAW
P'lifter squat 455 2x5- Belt only past parallel
super_rice
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what about in terms of injury prevention for other sports?
any ideas?
any ideas?
wnt2bBeast
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i squat therefore ...I am
Lord_Suston
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super_rice said:
Well, P'lifter squats put less stress on the knee and more on the hips, so if you need to strengthen your hips the they help. I really don't think weight training helps prevent to many injuries as compared to plyometrics and conditioning
coolcolj
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Olys squats are much harder than powersquats IMO. Powersquats are done to move the most amount of weight. Just like powerlifter deadlifts can move more weight than oly deadlifts
full depth of olys squats works the VMO, so they're good for that
if they're strong then your knees will be fine
If your strong in the stretch range, then you be strong above that. The reverse isn't true.
then add in some force absorbtion work like Reactive squats and altitude drops etc to increase your ability to take in force. If you can't absorb the force with your muscles, then the tendons/joints take brunt --> injury, shin splints etc
most people who have knee problems, either train too often, have muscle and firing imbalances or all the above
full depth of olys squats works the VMO, so they're good for that
if they're strong then your knees will be fine
If your strong in the stretch range, then you be strong above that. The reverse isn't true.
then add in some force absorbtion work like Reactive squats and altitude drops etc to increase your ability to take in force. If you can't absorb the force with your muscles, then the tendons/joints take brunt --> injury, shin splints etc
most people who have knee problems, either train too often, have muscle and firing imbalances or all the above
ghettostudmuffin
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I wouldn't say olympic squats are harder. I've done both and although it's difficult at the bottom range of an olympic style squat, it feels too light for me at the top, whereas with a low bar, medium pl style squat it feels heavy all the way and I take mine too legit parallel. Plus, you can use more weight with pl style squats and that right there doesn't make them any easier than a lighter weight full squat imo.
Different strokes for different folks. If you want pure quad developement then I'd go with full squats, but if you want pure strength I'd go with pl style.
As for those that say parallel or slightly under doesn't build the hams and glutes as much, that's just bunk. A pl squat you sit back and down which automatically brings the glutes and ham's into the movement alot. Olympic squats go straight down basically and stress the hams and glutes when powering out of the hole, but imo less than pl style because with a pl style the tension is maintained on the glutes and hams more I think.
Different strokes for different folks. If you want pure quad developement then I'd go with full squats, but if you want pure strength I'd go with pl style.
As for those that say parallel or slightly under doesn't build the hams and glutes as much, that's just bunk. A pl squat you sit back and down which automatically brings the glutes and ham's into the movement alot. Olympic squats go straight down basically and stress the hams and glutes when powering out of the hole, but imo less than pl style because with a pl style the tension is maintained on the glutes and hams more I think.
coolcolj
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Weight doesn't mean anything, its just a function of leverage, and ROM
anyone can 1/4 squat and bench lockout a lot of weight, doesn't mean it will do crap
I'm speaking from an athlete point of view, and I say go for fullsquats, supplemented with reactive squats which go down to parallel anyway.
Strict fullsquats will increase the strnegth of a lot of other lifts, but not much else transfers over to fullsquats
when in doubt go for the hardest longest ROM version of any exercise, where you will use less weight. That's my motto, but I don't have an ego
anyone can 1/4 squat and bench lockout a lot of weight, doesn't mean it will do crap
I'm speaking from an athlete point of view, and I say go for fullsquats, supplemented with reactive squats which go down to parallel anyway.
Strict fullsquats will increase the strnegth of a lot of other lifts, but not much else transfers over to fullsquats
when in doubt go for the hardest longest ROM version of any exercise, where you will use less weight. That's my motto, but I don't have an ego
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ghettostudmuffin
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LOL.
A heavy PL squat will transfer over to a full squat. A full squat will not transfer over to a heavier pl squat. I thin Louie Simmons said this.
And there is a big difference between thigh crease at parallel which is slightly below parallel when viewed at the thigh and a 1/4 squat.
Weight doesn't mean anything, its just a function of leverage, and ROM
Well that was dumb. Do I even have to say why? You say it doesn't mean anything? Leverage and range of motion? Sure they play a role in lifting, but if I bench 500 and you bench 300 then I'm stronger regardless of ROM and leverage differences.
when in doubt go for the hardest longest ROM version of any exercise. That''s my motto, but I don't have an ego.
Well you obviously have an ego thinking full squats are the king bee of squats and that your way is the best way lol.
Do I need to point anythign else out?
A heavy PL squat will transfer over to a full squat. A full squat will not transfer over to a heavier pl squat. I thin Louie Simmons said this.
And there is a big difference between thigh crease at parallel which is slightly below parallel when viewed at the thigh and a 1/4 squat.
Weight doesn't mean anything, its just a function of leverage, and ROM
Well that was dumb. Do I even have to say why? You say it doesn't mean anything? Leverage and range of motion? Sure they play a role in lifting, but if I bench 500 and you bench 300 then I'm stronger regardless of ROM and leverage differences.
when in doubt go for the hardest longest ROM version of any exercise. That''s my motto, but I don't have an ego.
Well you obviously have an ego thinking full squats are the king bee of squats and that your way is the best way lol.
Do I need to point anythign else out?
GhettoStudMuffin said:
I haven't done an OLY squat in years...till Wednesday. After box squats, deads, and front squats...I took 502 OLY style in the hole, paused it, and came back up pretty easily. I don't think that training OLY style would give me a good strong Power squat by any means though...it hasn't in the past. The opposite, as you have pointed out, seems to be true though.
When in doubt...do all of them.
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