What can I expect?

[mojuc]

This is my 2cd cycle 1st was 2yr ago. Goin for bulk. What would you change using the same gear? What type of gains can I expect assuming I eat good and what can I keep on?

wk 1-4 dbol 25mg
wk 8-10 dbol 25mg
wk 1-8 deca 200mg
wk 1-8 test cyp 500mg
wk 12-15 clomid 50mg

 

[DepressiveJuice]

i would bump the deca to 400mg and run the dbol for no more than 4 weeks. no one can tell you what gains you'll make.

 

[Jman88]

Need stats to ahve any clue as to what type of gains you'll make and even then it'll be hard to tell.

 

[Juice Authority]

i would bump the deca to 400mg and run the dbol for no more than 4 weeks. no one can tell you what gains you'll make.

That's exactly what I was thinking.

 

[mojuc]

If I bump the deca to 400 week could I lower the dosage of cyp. and still keep a balanced test level. If so how low can I go? It dosnt take me much to see very good gains

 

[genarr3]

You don't need to bump the Deca to 400mgs. My first cycle was a measly 200mgs/week and I made good gains.

You're doing 700mgs total of injecables EW so IMO that should be more then enough.

 

[Juice Authority]

If I bump the deca to 400 week could I lower the dosage of cyp. and still keep a balanced test level. If so how low can I go? It dosnt take me much to see very good gains

Both Deca and Cyp are long acting esters. 400mg's of Deca per week is a standard dose. I wouldn't lower the Cyp. 500mg's would be fine. Cyp and Enan are very similar in both their molecular structure and release time. I recently read and ester report that might be helpful and applicable to your situation:

ACTIONS OF DIFFERENT ESTERS
There are many different esters that are used with anabolic/androgenic steroids, but again, they all do basically the same thing. Esters vary only in their ability to reduce a steroid's water solubility. An ester like propionate for example will slow the release of a steroid for a few days, while the duration will be weeks with a decanoate ester. Esters have no effect on the tendency for the parent steroid to convert to estrogen or DHT (dihydrotestosterone: a more potent metabolite) nor will it effect the overall muscle-building potency of the compound. Any differences in results and side effects that may be noted by bodybuilders who have used various esterified versions of the same base steroid are just issues of timing. Testosterone enanthate causes estrogen related problems more readily than Sustanon, simply because with enanthate testosterone levels will peak and trough much sooner (1-2 week release duration as opposed to 3 or 4). Likewise testosterone suspension is the worst in regards to gyno and water bloat because blood hormone levels peak so quickly with this drug. Instead of waiting weeks for testosterone levels to rise to their highest point, here we are at most looking at a couple of days. Given an equal blood level of testosterone, there would be no difference in the rate of aromatization or DHT conversion between different esters. There is simply no mechanism for this to be possible.

There is however one way that we can say an ester does technically effect potency; it is calculated in the steroid weight. The heavier the ester chain, the greater is its percentage of the total weight. In the case of testosterone enanthate for example, 250mg of esterified steroid (testosterone enanthate) is equal to only 180mg of free testosterone. 70mgs out of each 250mg injection is the weight of the ester. If we wanted to be really picky, we could consider enanthate slightly MORE potent than cypionate (I know this goes against popular thinking) as its ester chain contains one less carbon atom (therefore taking up a slightly smaller percentage of total weight). Propionate would of course come out on top of the three, releasing a measurable (but not significant) amount more testosterone per injection than cypionate or enanthate.

IN CONCLUSION
While the advent of esters certainly constitutes an invaluable advance in the field of anabolic steroid medicine, clearly you can see that there is no magic involved here. Esters work in a well-understood and predictable manner, and do not alter the activity of the parent steroid in any way other than to delay its release. Although the lure surrounding various steroid products like testosterone cypionate, Sustanon, Omnadren etc. certainly makes for interesting conversation, realistically it just amounts to misinformation that the athlete would be better off ignoring. Testosterone is testosterone and anyone who is going to tell you one ester form of this (or any) hormone is much better than another one should do a little more research, and a lot less talking.

ESTER PROFILES
Sustanon: The "king" of testosterone blends.
The four different testosterone esters in this product certainly look appealing to the consumer, there is no denying that. But for the athlete I think it is all just a matter of marketing (Hell, why buy one ester when you can get four?). In clinical situations I can see some strong uses for it. If you were undergoing testosterone replacement therapy for example, you would probably find Sustanon a much more comfortable option than testosterone enanthate. You would need to visit the doctor less frequently for an injection, and blood levels should be more steadily maintained between treatments. But for the bodybuilder who is injecting 4 ampules of Sustanon per week, there is no advantage over other testosterone products. In fact, the high price tag for Sustanon usually makes it a very poor buy in the face of cheaper testosterone enanthate/cypionate. Bodybuilders should probably stop looking at the four ester issue, and stick with totals (Sustanon is just a 250mg testosterone ampule). Were enanthate to be available for say $10 per amp of 250mg, and Sustanon priced nearly double that, buying the Sustanon would be like throwing money away. If you could get nearly double the milligram amount for the same price with enanthate, this is the better product to go with hands down. Leave the high priced stuff for the guys who don't know any better.

 

[mojuc]

Juice Authority thanks for the reply very informative

 

[Juice Authority]

No worries Bro...hope it helps.

 

[Juice Authority]

Anyone plan on suggesting some anti-e's?

Isn't clomid mentioned in his post? But to add to what my good buddy DT is saying, it would be a good idea to run HCG at 500IU's a day for 20 days starting the last two weeks of your cycle adn into your post-cycle.

Deca shuts you down pretty hard and the HCG will help restore you testicles to normal size and better prepare your body for the Clomid therapy, which you should start two weeks from your last shot of Cyp and three weeks from your last shot of Deca.

Clearance times for various AS for clomid therapy to begin:

Anadrol50/Anapolan50.......8-12 hours
deca Durobolan................3 weeks
Dianabol.........................4-8 hours
Equipoise........................17-21 days
Finajet/Trenbolone............3 days
Primobolan Depot..............10-14 days
Sustanon.........................3 weeks
Test Cypionate.................2 weeks
Test Enthenate/Testoviron..2 weeks
Test Propionate.................3 days
Test Suspension................4-8 hours
Winstrol...........................8-12 hours

 

[Juice Authority]

Also, I would run the clomid like this:

300mg's day 1
100mg's days 2-11
50mg's day 12-21

21 days in all of clomid therapy.

 

[Juice Authority]

Yes it is but not until week 12. That's a long time to wait if he starts getting the itchy nipples in week 5.

If that happens I would go with a low dose of Nolva throughout the cycle. If Gyno starts developing kick the Nolva up to 40mg's for a few days then taper down to 20mg's ed thereafter. I personally wouldn't run clomid until post cycle. Nolva doesn't inhibit your gains and it is fine to run 10-20mg's ed throughout the cycle.

 

[mojuc]

Thanks to everyone for your replys very helpful