Weight question

[Drunken_Weasel]

I was 215 about a week ago.. and havent been eating that much.. no way.. but I just weighed myself.. showing 225! wtf.. water retention maybe? I'm taking Ripped Fuel, Vitamin C, and Creatine.. thats it.. Oh, and I've starting training long and hard.. Anyone know what it might be? ..

 

[Newbie2building]

creatine....and a non-standardized scale

 

[HighIntensity]

DW why are you taking creatine? From your pics and in this stage of your lifting, creatine should not be part of your regimin.

 

[Drunken_Weasel]

DW why are you taking creatine? From your pics and in this stage of your lifting, creatine should not be part of your regimin.

Why not? Doesn't it help muslce recovery, and help them to build a little stronger, or faster.. something of the sort? I didn't know I had to be cut to use creatine....

 

[HighIntensity]

Why not? Doesn't it help muslce recovery, and help them to build a little stronger, or faster.. something of the sort? I didn't know I had to be cut to use creatine....

not that you have to be cut persey, but it will bloat you full of water, granted it will help with some muscle recovery...in fact studies show that ala and creatine work better then Whey protein.

But my point is you need to drop some more weight, and creatine is only going to add more bloat.

 

[Drunken_Weasel]

not that you have to be cut persey, but it will bloat you full of water, granted it will help with some muscle recovery...in fact studies show that ala and creatine work better then Whey protein.

But my point is you need to drop some more weight, and creatine is only going to add more bloat.

I know I need to drop more weight.. but my muslces were starting to drop too.. So although Im not the smallest, I decided to bulk for a bit.. then drop down again.. I had seemed to hit a flat spot in the weight loss department.. at 215.. so.. why not bulk a bit?..

 

[jesus 2]

not that you have to be cut persey, but it will bloat you full of water, granted it will help with some muscle recovery...in fact studies show that ala and creatine work better then Whey protein.

But my point is you need to drop some more weight, and creatine is only going to add more bloat.

it's just bloat. nothing more. and if he is trying to bulk, it doesn't really matter. whenever he stops taking creatine, he will drop the water weight. i would say there's nothing wrong with taking creatine at the point he is at.

 

[HighIntensity]

it's just bloat. nothing more. and if he is trying to bulk, it doesn't really matter. whenever he stops taking creatine, he will drop the water weight. i would say there's nothing wrong with taking creatine at the point he is at.

well then you don't get the point here, he should not be bulking. If you are losing muscle you must eat more protein.

 

[Drunken_Weasel]

Ok.. so I won't lose weight with creatine?... Should I rather just train hard, not eat much (like I was doing for a while), and .. cut more before bulking?

 

[saint808]

I say stay on the creatine. Here's something to support it.
http://www.cuttingedgemuscle.com/Forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1235

what's your cardio like?

 

[Drunken_Weasel]

I say stay on the creatine. Here's something to support it.
http://www.cuttingedgemuscle.com/Forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1235

what's your cardio like?

I can't get to that.. not sure if I want to register.. Also, my cardio (although I just started) is Tuesdays, and Sunday's. Hour to an Hour and half of jogging/walking(breaks).

 

[saint808]

Does Creatine Inhibit Fat Burning
J Appl Physiol 2002 Aug 16; [epub ahead of print]

Creatine supplementation influences substrate utilization at rest.

Huso ME, Hampl JS, Johnston CS, Swan PD.

Department of Nutrition, Arizona State University, Mesa, AZ, USA.

The influence of creatine supplementation on substrate utilization during rest was investigated using a double-blind crossover design. Ten active men participated in 12 weeks of weight training and were given creatine and placebo (20 g/d for 4 d, then 2 g/d for 17 d) in two trials separated by a 4-week washout. Body composition, substrate utilization, and strength were assessed following week 2, 5, 9 and 12. Maximal isometric contraction (1-RM) leg press increased significantly (P < 0.05) following both treatments but 1-RM bench press was increased (33 kg +/- 8, P < 0.05) only following creatine. Total body mass increased (1.6 kg +/- 0.5, P < 0.05) after creatine but not after placebo. Significant (P < 0.05) increases in fat-free mass were found following both creatine (1.9 kg +/- 0.8) and placebo (2.2 kg +/- 0.7) supplementation. Fat mass did not change significantly with creatine, but decreased after the placebo trial (-2.4 kg +/- 0.8, P < 0.05). Carbohydrate oxidation was increased by creatine (8.9% +/- 4.0, P < 0.05), while there was a trend for increased RER after creatine supplementation (0.03 +/- 0.01, P = 0.07). Changes in substrate oxidation may influence the inhibition of fat mass loss associated with creatine following weight training.


Note: RER, or Respiratory Exchange Ratio, is a measure of how much fat vs. how much glucose is being used for fuel. The higher the RER, the more glucose/less fat there is being burned.

and
Notice in this energy restricted group, the creatine group and the placebo group had similar levels of fat loss. Maybe the main difference was the fact that this group were on a diet:

Creatine supplementation affects muscle creatine during energy restriction.

Rockwell JA, Rankin JW, Toderico B.

Department of Human Nutrition, Foods, and Exercise, Virginia Tech, Blacksburg 24061-0430, USA.

INTRODUCTION: Anaerobic performance and body protein may decrease with energy restriction practiced by some athletes for weight loss. METHODS: This investigation examined the effects of creatine (Cr) supplementation during energy restriction on muscle Cr, exercise performance (10 sprints of 6 s, with 30-s rest), nitrogen balance, and body composition in male resistance trainers. Creatine supplemented (CrS, 20 g x d(-1) of Cr) and those given a placebo (P1) consumed a formula diet of 75.3 kJ (18 kcal) x kg(-1) x d(-1) (54.7% C, 21.3% P, 24% F) for 4 d. A control group was unsupplemented and continued their normal diet. There were no changes in body composition or performance of the control group. RESULTS: CrS and P1 demonstrated similar decreases in body weight and percent body fat. The percent change in fat-free mass was more for P1 (2.4+/-0.3% reduction) than CrS (1.4+/-0.4%), but urinary nitrogen losses were similar. Significant increases in muscle total Cr and CrP of 15-16% were demonstrated by CrS over the energy restriction period, whereas P1 had no changes in muscle Cr. Total work done during the sprints expressed per body weight tended to be 3.8% higher in CrS and 0.5% less in P1 after the energy restriction (P = 0.058). CONCLUSION: It was concluded that Cr supplementation increased muscle Cr during short-term energy restriction but did not affect body fat or protein loss. The change in muscle creatine was reflected in a tendency for higher total sprint work for the Cr group.

 

[Drunken_Weasel]

DW, if I recall, you are the guy that's eating a meal a day? If you're not taking the creatine with food and drinking ALOT of water, then bloating is getting off easy. Be glad you're not doubled over in pain from the cramping it causes some people. Make sure you're chugging the water, and if you haven't already...START EATING MORE. THIS is why you're losing muscle.

After everyone's advice, I stopped eating 1 meal a day, and with my new training split, and sticking to it.. I have much more appitite, I eat 5-6 meals a day.. small, but large enough. Alot of tuna, beef, and of course carbs (still watch the carbs/fat some though). I do beleive I proboboly am holding alot of water right now.. I drink when I'm thirsty.. which happens to be all the time, and my piss has been clear.. I AM EATING.. repeat.. I AM EATING

 

[Drunken_Weasel]

Glad to hear that.

Hey, if I don't take advice from someone as knowledgeable as you.. I'm in trouble.
BTW.. what happened to your avatar with the chain? I liked it.

 

[vinylgroover]

Weasel,

Get this 'bulking' shit out of your head....please. You have just come down from an unhealthy 280 pounds to 220, which you yourself say you're finding hard to manage.

How long have you been training seriously?

You have enough body mass on you now to put on some muscle, without this 'bulking' bullshit that gets thrown around.
You need to get your body used to living in a 215 pound physique.

If you start playing the bulking/cutting game now, i guarantee your weight will blow up again, and you'll find yourself in the same situation you were in before.

Forget about creatine, forget about supplements. Train your ass off for 6 months, take a step back and a deep breath and analyse where you're at. Eat good , clean food and do your cardio.

One step at a time.

 

[Drunken_Weasel]

Weasel,

Get this 'bulking' shit out of your head....please. You have just come down from an unhealthy 280 pounds to 220, which you yourself say you're finding hard to manage.

How long have you been training seriously?

You have enough body mass on you now to put on some muscle, without this 'bulking' bullshit that gets thrown around.
You need to get your body used to living in a 215 pound physique.

If you start playing the bulking/cutting game now, i guarantee your weight will blow up again, and you'll find yourself in the same situation you were in before.

Forget about creatine, forget about supplements. Train your ass off for 6 months, take a step back and a deep breath and analyse where you're at. Eat good , clean food and do your cardio.

One step at a time.

I am doing just that, just trying to add some assistance.. The ALA from what I have read will help with weight loss, while it helps to absorb creatine, so I will continue to take creatine aswell. I have only been on my steady training for 2 weeks now.. and I hit cardio as much as I feel is needed, I didnt do it today because Im still feeling the 4 miles from yesterday.

The weight I lost before was with no actual excersise, or training, just from diet changes and working at a stocking job (not that heavy)..

thing with the creatine and ala, and ripped fuel.. I know you say not to, but what would it hurt to help my body some? I am taking a break from the ripped fuel, as I have been on it for a bit too long, and its starting to make me jittery. I just ordered the ala, and plan to start it at 1500mg a day (500mg at a time, 3 times a day) aswell as keeping my 5g of creatine on off days, 10g on the training days (mon, wed, fri).

All this thread has tought me quite a bit.. although I don't take it all in. I am for sure not going to "bulk". I am going to train hard, eat clean, watch the carbs, and take some assistance from a few suppliments. Im going to give it about 2 months, and see where I am standing. If my progress is still bad.. I will drop the suppliments, and try a little harder the clean way. I rushed into this a bit to fast, and already bought the stuff. I am not a rich man, and will be using everything I bought. (600g of creatine, 50g of ALA). Unless you can give me a SERIOUS reason i should not take these, I will take them. not to counteract what you say, but there are also those people that have said there would be no problem staying on it.

 

[Pamela]

Weasel,

Get this 'bulking' shit out of your head....please. You have just come down from an unhealthy 280 pounds to 220, which you yourself say you're finding hard to manage.

How long have you been training seriously?

You have enough body mass on you now to put on some muscle, without this 'bulking' bullshit that gets thrown around.
You need to get your body used to living in a 215 pound physique.

If you start playing the bulking/cutting game now, i guarantee your weight will blow up again, and you'll find yourself in the same situation you were in before.

Forget about creatine, forget about supplements. Train your ass off for 6 months, take a step back and a deep breath and analyse where you're at. Eat good , clean food and do your cardio.

One step at a time.

Perfect Advice....

I wish you were around a while back.. to help me out..

 

[vinylgroover]

I am doing just that, just trying to add some assistance.. The ALA from what I have read will help with weight loss, while it helps to absorb creatine, so I will continue to take creatine aswell. I have only been on my steady training for 2 weeks now.. and I hit cardio as much as I feel is needed, I didnt do it today because Im still feeling the 4 miles from yesterday.

The weight I lost before was with no actual excersise, or training, just from diet changes and working at a stocking job (not that heavy)..

thing with the creatine and ala, and ripped fuel.. I know you say not to, but what would it hurt to help my body some? I am taking a break from the ripped fuel, as I have been on it for a bit too long, and its starting to make me jittery. I just ordered the ala, and plan to start it at 1500mg a day (500mg at a time, 3 times a day) aswell as keeping my 5g of creatine on off days, 10g on the training days (mon, wed, fri).

All this thread has tought me quite a bit.. although I don't take it all in. I am for sure not going to "bulk". I am going to train hard, eat clean, watch the carbs, and take some assistance from a few suppliments. Im going to give it about 2 months, and see where I am standing. If my progress is still bad.. I will drop the suppliments, and try a little harder the clean way. I rushed into this a bit to fast, and already bought the stuff. I am not a rich man, and will be using everything I bought. (600g of creatine, 50g of ALA). Unless you can give me a SERIOUS reason i should not take these, I will take them. not to counteract what you say, but there are also those people that have said there would be no problem staying on it.

DW, all i can do is throw my two cents in, but i always try and take a common sense approach.

You say you've only been training steadily for two weeks, yet you've stocked up on enough supplements to see out a Russian winter.

How do you know what your body needs, if anything at all?. You need to take a common sense approach. This stuff isn't science or maths despite what many around here will say.

Doesn't it make more sense to train hard for 3-6 months, see where you're at and then include supplements if you think your body needs it. By loading up on them now, how do you know which supplement is working, which isn't, or wether it's just your training that's making you grow and not the suplements at all.

OK, you've already bought them......so what, they won't go off. Take a common sense approach, that's all i'm saying.

In any case, i admire your spirit and desire to change your life for the better. Keep at it.

And do me a favour and layoff on the melancholy threads, you're making me depressed

 

[Drunken_Weasel]

And do me a favour and layoff on the melancholy threads, you're making me depressed

Which threads would those be?






As far as my determination.. I did nothing about it all my life.. I finally came to a point last February, where I would not want to take it anymore, and I came to a point about a month ago where I WILL NOT take it anymore..

I understand your approach.. And by all means, its probably best for me.. But I'm going to go ahead and be stubborn. Thank you for trying though. The things I shouldn't be stubborn about are such things as eating often enough, and actually doing the exercise, which I have absolutely no problem with right now..