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weight class dilemma, also an anabolics question

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ok in august i hit a 405 bench in an IPA meet. it didnt stall or anything so i know i had more in me. i weighed about 240

now i'm down to 225 (i dieted and i lost some mass/strength from having my wisdom teeth taken out and all that jazz)

if i diet some more i can be in the 220 class. a high 400's (hopefully 500+) bench would be awesome for the 220 weight class. not quite world class but not too far away. im not sure i can pull it off though..like i said..i was 240 when i hit 405

so i can go 220 OR i can do a very clean bulk and hit hopefully the same number for sure at 242. but this is nowhere near world class

i'd like to lift in bench america or other large meets in the next couple of years tops. not sure how to get there

now for the 2nd part of my post..

as i approach the top of the teens and as i break records, i want to be able to compete with most/all men. and like i said before, i want to get to huge meets and get some publicity (bench america would be a huge step.. nick hatch competed in it at 16 y/o)

i'd like to try PHs first. if it works well..i'll use them until they dont work very well. then on to the real stuff (hopefully when im older than 18)

what should i use? at what dose and what length of cycle? i hear good things about 1-ad, 4-ad, and 1-test. i was thinking one (two?) of these

please dont give me the 'its bad for you' speech. i actually compete so its not like im dumbly taking risks. PHs are mild anyway. i will no doubt have my diet and training as my first priorities and will totally dedicate myself to them.

i was thinking cycle for a month or two before meets then stay off when im not near a competition..

i'd appreciate any input on either/both of the issues
 
trust me..i plan on it...

it's just that the gains are slowing. if i rest more and eat more, and maybe change some things in my training, and i get the same results, THEN i will do it

im not implying i'd jump into it


but i appreciate the replies. keep them coming
 
Nice job on the lifts bro... Hey aren't you pretty young? Though it sounds lame, listen to the posts above... You are kicking a$$, take it as far as it will go...

When you do take something don't mess with any of the PH shite... it will not do much (if anything at all) and would most likely just repress your hormone levels.... Mucho posts on the ineffectiveness of PH in the anabolics forum.... If and when you do decide to take that step, don't waste your time and money messing with that junk, go with the real thing...
 
jeremys said:
please dont give me the 'its bad for you' speech. i actually compete so its not like im dumbly taking risks. PHs are mild anyway.
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Hey bud - no offense, but the fact that you compete is irrelevant to whether or not it's risky. Your liver and your nuts don't care whether or not you're competing in Bench America. You're 16 years old and churning out plenty of natural test on your own. Is a world record worth your health? :(

If you have spent some time reading the anabolic board, you will see that no one does just one cycle. Bottom line is that it's mentally addicting stuff once you experience the strength and size increase from doing them. That's why they call it "going to the dark side." Mind you I am not speaking from experience...this is all from reading three and a half years' worth of posts on the anabolic board. But I can't remember anyone calling it quits after one cycle. Maybe in the rare case that someone's cycle was a complete disaster, but the majority of people who do one cycle want to another with higher doses and stronger drugs. I've got no problem with anyone who is of age and peaked out genetically doing that, but at 16 years old neither of those two conditions have been met.

Prohormones are shit. You get all the risks of steroid-esque side effects and none of the benefits.

I know it sucks when gains slow down. But all it usually takes is some diet and training tweaking to continue progress. It just takes heart and drive.
 
ok I'll give the input you are looking for but it may not be what you want to hear. Pro-hormones no matter what the claim are going to work on someone your age as well as 3.2 beer works on Mule. Basically most pro-hormones out there are androgen molecules that with feedback from the body convert to either estro or test depending on what your body has more of, so a 75 year old man with low test would probably benefit from the ph. A teen like yourself would get a little estrogen out of it. All the newer ph that a dmso delivered ect, may work "better" so to speak but basically come with most if not all the sides of the real deal.

At your age, your strength is on a world class level. You have the genetic potential to break any record you want, and if you do it assisted that is your choice. The problem however is that if you get on anything that messes with your htpa in the next couple of years you will cause long term damage and instability to your test levels. Say you hop on a light cycle of var, and up your bench to 500 pounds, that would be incredible for someone your age and weight, but you will have to deal with coming off eventually and when you do there is no telling how your body will react. On the other hand if you work and train smart and get your bench up to 600+ by the time you are 21-22 and then get on, you may be able to chase 800 within a few years. The choice is yours, you can have a little bit of glory right now and then fade away or you can realize your potential and set some real records....try to think long term. Like I said it is your life, good luck
 
What is your bench like right now? I would stay where you are weight-wise for a little bit of time and see where your bench is and ifyou can increase it at this bw. If not... go back up a weight class.

And dont worry about AAS for at LEAST another five years, and probably longer
 
Great posts by supersizeme and IL.... like IL said, think long term... your body will be having some bigtime growth and hormonal spurts over the next 5-6 years... you will continue to make gains, and I am sure there will be periods of great gains in a short period of time..... the long term benefits or not touching any of that stuff at your age are huge....
 
i agree..your bench is world class and i would say you have a lot of genetic potential in ya to take ya to some freakish weights. just keep doing what your doing now and do it the natural way. tb
 
jeremys,

skip the prohormones and save your money for other things, they are largely a waste of money and will cuase you more estrogen related problems than aas will.

also wait for a while to use aas, there is no reason to even think about it at your age. right now you are in the most anabolic state of your life, take advantage of it. stop with all the cutting and gain weight, get bigger, and get stronger. why spend these years of your life trying to lose weight, when you can put on alot of muscle?
 
i appreciate the responses

the original plan (and im going to stick to it) is push it as far as i can naturally. how far that is, i dont know. but im GUESSING that within the next couple years, gains will slow way down.

i didnt mean that i'd start any kind of anabolics RIGHT NOW, but, in the future, it will no doubt be an issue to consider. i guess i could've waited a long time to ask about that

500 will fall naturally on either january 24th at bill carpenter's apf meet of on april 3rd in the wisconsin's best bench meet. after that, anything is pure speculation. but there's not a doubt in my mind 500 will fall

liftbig, you ask why i want to cut. frankly, because i'm a vain bastard. i pull more chicks when leaner. cant say my self esteem is too high right now. in fact i've been feeling really down lately..i dont know..

thank you all for the responses. i really appreciate it
 
I think your questions about the AAS and PHs are covered.

As for what weight class to go into, it really depends on the individual. There is kind of an optimum weight for everyone. For some, it is 181. For others it is SHW. Once you go past that optimum weight, your lifts will still increase, but you will not be as good relative to other lifters in that weight class.

As someone who is 6'2 with a relatively large mesomorph type frame, I'm fairly sure my optimum is 275. I'm 255 right now. For a long while I would lift in the 220s chasing the records. While I did fairly well, that was not my optimum weight class. I'm much better at 242 and even better as a 275.

It will take some experimentation. Look at the top 100 lists. In which weight class do you think you will ultimately be able to get higher on the list?
 
just focus on gaining weight right now. lift in whatever class you end up in. after time once youve gotten bigger, you can see where you are at and maybe cut down to a lower weight class. but i wouldnt do that for a long time. right now just gain weight, put on some quality size and keep lifting more and more.
 
Liftbig said:
just focus on gaining weight right now. lift in whatever class you end up in.
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Yeah let your body be the weight it wants to be. Feed it well, and train it hard, and you will be whatever weight is right for you.
 
Bro, this is all great advice. I was an early bloomer myself with respect to puberty and I still experiened my most natural gains between the ages of 16-21, hell, it wouldn't be unheard of for you to gain 10lbsof LBM a year for the next five years at your age, thats another 50lbs of solid muscle by the time you're 21, don't even begin to research steroids until you're in you're 20's, by the time you're ready for AAS, the information you find now will be outdated garbage.

As far as weight classes go, I am firmly against dropping to an unnatural weightclass, and I will argue this until I am blue in the face, and my mind will never change. Weight classes, whether it be for wrestling or powerlifting or whatever should be whatever a natural, comfortable weight for you is, I say it is okay to go up as long as you can either improve or do well, but the theory of keeping your strength and being dominant at a lighter weight is bullshit as far as I am concerned, and with kids and teens does long-term damage, both mentally and physically.

As far as being leaner and getting girls goes.......the girls who want to be with you because you look a certain way are worthless anyway. What is worth something is being comfortable and confident with who you are and what you are, and the girl who sees that and wants to be with you for that is the one worthwhile. You are a bigger dude to begin with and you seem to "want" to grow and get stronger, just let it happen bro, let nature take it's course and grow into a monster. Stay STD-free, don't knock anybody up, don't have any girl's dad at your house with a shotgun, and continure to worry about eating, lifting, and sleeping and making something of yourself, then sometime throughout this you'll meet a girl who deserves you.
 
BigBadBootyDaddy29 said:

As far as being leaner and getting girls goes.......the girls who want to be with you because you look a certain way are worthless anyway. What is worth something is being comfortable and confident with who you are and what you are, and the girl who sees that and wants to be with you for that is the one worthwhile. You are a bigger dude to begin with and you seem to "want" to grow and get stronger, just let it happen bro, let nature take it's course and grow into a monster. Stay STD-free, don't knock anybody up, don't have any girl's dad at your house with a shotgun, and continure to worry about eating, lifting, and sleeping and making something of yourself, then sometime throughout this you'll meet a girl who deserves you.
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Very well said.
 
wow that was a good post. thanks man

definitely get some karma

hell i'll hit as many people as i can
 
ok i could only get a couple. the rest are 'you must spread it around' so dont feel offended if i didnt get ya
 
If recovery is a concern, wouldn't short 2-week cycles be a viable option? I heard they were popular because they don't run long enough to cause any significant HPTA suppression.

Also, 1-test, despite being classified as a PH, is really quite potent. It's the basis of many bulking cycles and frequently combined with illegal stuff, so god forbid you need more than that if you were to do it.
 
Listen to Liftbig and some others on here. No reason to try ph's imo, wait for the real thing LATER, your still growing and matureing. Your body will naturally keep getting stronger. Rush things and they will have a greater chance of screwing up. A young bull and the lead Bull were on a hill, the young bull gets anxious and says 'lets run down there and get one of those heifers quick!' and the mature STRONG Bull says 'why?' 'we can walk down there and get them all'
 
DBCooper said:
A young bull and the lead Bull were on a hill, the young bull gets anxious and says 'lets run down there and get one of those heifers quick!' and the mature STRONG Bull says 'why?' 'we can walk down there and get them all'
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Good story- I like the non-pc version much better though!
 
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