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We don't need the 17aa orals!
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Golfer18--old
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No way, winny is great, anavar is too........
Prop is a fast acting ester and Test in general covers the class one and class two roid issue.
Winny is a good class two roid.
Tren is fast and a great class one roid ( I don't believe it is kidney toxic)
Tren /Test stack cannot be beat in my opinion.
Deca is good and a Deca / test stack is great
Anavar is 17aa toxic but doses are usually kept low with this roid.
Anadrol simply kills the liver dudes as one needs a high dose of the stuff compaired to d-bol.
D-bol isn't good either though but it is better then A-bombs
Winny is a good class two roid.
Tren is fast and a great class one roid ( I don't believe it is kidney toxic)
Tren /Test stack cannot be beat in my opinion.
Deca is good and a Deca / test stack is great
Anavar is 17aa toxic but doses are usually kept low with this roid.
Anadrol simply kills the liver dudes as one needs a high dose of the stuff compaired to d-bol.
D-bol isn't good either though but it is better then A-bombs
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Golfer18--old
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If your gyno prone u must go 17aa.
xonic2xonic
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Once again, excuse my ignorance and lack of search effort, but if you wouldn't mind, whats this Class I and II about?
Also what does dosage have to do do with AA liver damage... if that were the case then Winny would be the worst at 50-150mg / DAY /EOD range !?
Thanks!
Also what does dosage have to do do with AA liver damage... if that were the case then Winny would be the worst at 50-150mg / DAY /EOD range !?
Thanks!
xonic2 xonic....Anadrol is needed in a higher dose compaired to dbol and winny in order to see results bro. Dbol for example has a higher affinity to the androgen receptor and is more effective at a smaller dose than anadrol. Anadrol has a lower affinity and this is why you see anadrol in 50mg tabs.
All the above roids are 17 alpha alkylated in order for them to be able to withstand oral administration.....Anadrol because of its higher needed dose has more of this toxic compound.
As a rough guide 30mg of dbol will produce similar gains to 150 mg of anadrol.
All the above roids are 17 alpha alkylated in order for them to be able to withstand oral administration.....Anadrol because of its higher needed dose has more of this toxic compound.
As a rough guide 30mg of dbol will produce similar gains to 150 mg of anadrol.
xonic2xonic
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OK I'm still missing something!
The effective dosage for winny is 50-150mg, so does that not make it definately more liver toxic than dbol and at full dose the same as abombs?
The effective dosage for winny is 50-150mg, so does that not make it definately more liver toxic than dbol and at full dose the same as abombs?
Golfer18 said:
I don't know where you got this idea bro
D-bol is definately estrogenic and will cause gyno in those that will get gyno.
Anadrol is not estrogenic but is thought to probably be progestogenic. It may be an estrogen agonist. Anadrol will bloat you big time and some do get gyno from it too but not as easily as with d-bol.
xonic2 xonic The effective dose of winny orally is 75 mg...and that compairs with 30mg. Winny is very liver toxic and 75 mg is just as hard on the liver as 75 mg of d-bol or 75 mg of anadrol.
30 mg of d-bol is therefore less liver toxic than 75 mg of winny.
Why take winny orally at all when you can inject it with an insulin syringe and avoid the "first pass" on the Liver. Not only that but it is great for site injetions and I do believe they work to a small degree.
I may get creamed here but I think anyone that does winny orally is not well informed.
30 mg of d-bol is therefore less liver toxic than 75 mg of winny.
Why take winny orally at all when you can inject it with an insulin syringe and avoid the "first pass" on the Liver. Not only that but it is great for site injetions and I do believe they work to a small degree.
I may get creamed here but I think anyone that does winny orally is not well informed.
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