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Hybridtheory2o

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Well I did some research and took some advice and I think for my first time I would like to try this to see how my body responds and to keep it insanely simple so that my chances of everything going well is high.

wk 1 - 10 test E 250
wk 12 - 16 nolvadex 20 mg ed or clomid 50 ed.

Would that be ok? I just want to use this as a boost to add to my clean diet and intense workout regimen in the future. I would think the chances of sides would be drastically reduced with a cycle such as this for the first time. If I do experience any I would say it would be acne first which isnt a big deal because I am sure I could take care of it with a low dose such as this and if gyno did occur I could start the nolva early correct until that side subsided?
 
Looks like a good first cycle to me. You might want to run the PCT 6 weeks instead of 4 but it would depend on how quick your levels get back to normal. Only other suggestions I could make would be to get some a-dex from ag-guys to help with any bloat you might get, and to take HCG 250mg twice a week through out the cycle until week 11.
 
Hybridtheory2o said:
Well I did some research and took some advice and I think for my first time I would like to try this to see how my body responds and to keep it insanely simple so that my chances of everything going well is high.

wk 1 - 10 testosterone enanthate 250
wk 12 - 16 nolvadex 20 mg ed or clomid 50 ed.

Would that be ok? I just want to use this as a boost to add to my clean diet and intense workout regimen in the future. I would think the chances of sides would be drastically reduced with a cycle such as this for the first time. If I do experience any I would say it would be acne first which isnt a big deal because I am sure I could take care of it with a low dose such as this and if gynecomastia did occur I could start the Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - early correct until that side subsided?
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good cycle bro but pm me will work on your pct and fine tune it...
 
^^^ if thats his first cycle 250mg a week is good. like he said if his diet and training are in check he should see good results from that as a first cycle.
 
250mgs may be fine if you bodyweight is under 175 ( ball park)

A standard first cycle should be 400-500 mgs of Test E , C of Sus

Always 2 shots a week ( mon and thurs)

with a very low dose of AI thrown in

anything less then 250 is a waste for most and if your going to compromise the HPTA might as well up it a bit.
 
Hmm lol well I have a decent level of natural test so I didnt want anything too high. I just wanted to see how my body would react to a considerable more amount of test. My weight fluxuates from 180-185 but the other day i was 190 with no gut so i have no fuckin clue but i seem to hover right at about 184-185 if i stay hydrated properly.
 
Hybridtheory2o said:
Hmm lol well I have a decent level of natural test so I didnt want anything too high. I just wanted to see how my body would react to a considerable more amount of test. My weight fluxuates from 180-185 but the other day i was 190 with no gut so i have no fuckin clue but i seem to hover right at about 184-185 if i stay hydrated properly.
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how tall are you? whats your bf% at? bro im pretty new to the site( not to lifting) but just from personal experience you could put on another 10-15lbs natty which will be a better base for taking aas.
 
My bf is about 12.5% and I am 5'9" I am 21 years old. Yeh I am waiting I am in no rush whatsoever and if I can become 200lbs natty in the winter and then cut up to about 8% bf and still weigh close to 180 then i will prolly start something.
 
Hybridtheory2o said:
My bf is about 12.5% and I am 5'9" I am 21 years old. Yeh I am waiting I am in no rush whatsoever and if I can become 200lbs natty in the winter and then cut up to about 8% bf and still weigh close to 180 then i will prolly start something.
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good luck bro!
 
ukkared said:
Looks like a good first cycle to me. You might want to run the PCT - post cycle therapy - 6 weeks instead of 4 but it would depend on how quick your levels get back to normal. Only other suggestions I could make would be to get some a-dex from ag-guys to help with any bloat you might get, and to take HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - 250mg twice a week through out the cycle until week 11.
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Do you take the a-dex during PCT or during your whole cycle??
 
You can take the A-dex during cycle. Its an anti E so it will just fight bloat. Some dont like to take it during cycles becuz some think it inhibits gains which is why you can just keep Nolvadex on hand which i think blocks the receptors but doesnt stop the production of estrogen so the estrogen can still exert its effects like increased strength and muscle building help without them exerting their effects. Pretty sure thats how it goes but still learning! Plus it pretty much halts gyno in their tracks.
 
Sorry bros but did I miss something here??? Hes 21yo and claims he has high test 5' 9'' 190# 12%BF... Reading a lot of past posts the default replys would be stay natural and take advantage of your high natural testosterone. Again this is a first cycle and maybe one that can be postponed for a year or two??? I may be wrong but just trying to add a different view on this guys FIRST CYCLE. Bro change your workouts and diet try to find what works before you hit that cycle. In the long run when you do hit the gear you will understand your body a little better.
 
Yeh like I said without tests or anything I have no idea but I def dont think i suffer form low ammounts but i dont think i have excessive natural amounts. I am in no rush I am just going on things like when I started to diet and train hard I blew up but stayed proportionate. Typically when I bulk i dont gain much additional bf.

I just like to have shit planned out who knows maybe I wont even touch a first cycle for another year. Just wanted to have a solid plan of attack so that when I am ready I know what to do.
 
Hybridtheory2o said:
Yeh like I said without tests or anything I have no idea but I def dont think i suffer form low ammounts but i dont think i have excessive natural amounts. I am in no rush I am just going on things like when I started to diet and train hard I blew up but stayed proportionate. Typically when I bulk i dont gain much additional bf.

I just like to have shit planned out who knows maybe I wont even touch a first cycle for another year. Just wanted to have a solid plan of attack so that when I am ready I know what to do.
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Sounds like you got your head on right, good for you bro!
Stick around and keep asking questions and you should have that plan of attack ready to fire!
There are several guys here that are fuckin super smart when it comes to gear. Design around your body and do the homework.

I believe your thinking and planning smart.

Squat to ya teabag the floor!
 
Yep I try. It was something I learned and picked up on when I first came to these boards. Oh yeh I ask a lot of questions lol some of the guys will know what I am talkin about when they see this. Plus I see all the horror stories but success stories as well and I def wanna be a success story as a result of doin shit right.
 
Yeh I dont wanna go crazy with this stuff I just want a little bit to add in. I typically respond to things very well. I am pretty sure if I keep up what I am doing and allow myself to train much much harder I will gain a decent amount of lean muscle mass.

Dude slat1 are you a fuckin pornstar? Lol your gallery rules man hook a brother up haha.
 
This is why no one likes slat. Mainly because of abs #7 & #8, but also that your advice is right on the money if one is dedicated enough to illicit those kind of results.

I'm sending a pint of Jack Daniels and 1 large pizza for everyday this month to slats house and making him finish it at gun point. We are getting rid of at least the 7th and 8th abs.

Actually, given the shape you are in, it probably would only make you grow to 270 pounds and still have ab 7 & 8!



slat1 said:
Why more?
I am 250lbs with 8 abs and I still grow on 250mgs per week!
Your diet drives all your results.
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Yep. More doesnt always = better in cases like this. It makes me angry when I see bodybuilding videos on youtube ones featuring Gunter,Frank Mcgrath or some of the other big guys and you see the video responses and ppl saying hm kind of impressive but ALL steroids. Thats such bullshit lol. I am sure some of them didnt get that way with 250mg a week but still its not all steroids you still gotta bust ur ass.
 
st8grad said:
This is why no one likes slat. Mainly because of abs #7 & #8, but also that your advice is right on the money if one is dedicated enough to illicit those kind of results.

I'm sending a pint of Jack Daniels and 1 large pizza for everyday this month to slats house and making him finish it at gun point. We are getting rid of at least the 7th and 8th abs.

Actually, given the shape you are in, it probably would only make you grow to 270 pounds and still have ab 7 & 8!
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I had 8 abs at 265. They were just softer.
I bet I would have to be 290+ to have no abs.
Got to have abs. Women love them! :)
 
Hybridtheory2o said:
Well I did some research and took some advice and I think for my first time I would like to try this to see how my body responds and to keep it insanely simple so that my chances of everything going well is high.

wk 1 - 10 testosterone enanthate 250
wk 12 - 16 nolvadex 20 mg ed or clomid 50 ed.
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that's a kickass first cycle bro!pat yourself on the back for having some self control and realizing that's the best route to take to see how you respond to gear in general.

keep an eye on your nuts,if they start shrinking(which I doubt they will at that low of a dose)you might want to keep some hcg on hand...but chances are you will be ok.

I would change your post cycle therapy up a little.
10.5 days after your last test enanthate injection I would start dermacrine sustain and run it an entire month,you can drop the nolvadex and just run 50mgs of clomid the same time you start the dermacrine and run the clomid for a couple of weeks.

best of luck to you bro :)
 
Ok cool ill def keep some HCG on hand in case my nads start shrinkin. Would I want to keep any nolvadex or A-dex on hand in case of gyno? I dont think ill experience it but just to be safe. Should I go with the approach of A-dex and just stop estrogen or almost all production or just go with nolvadex and block the receptors and let the estrogen exert their effect in terms of filling up with a little bloat and possibly retaining a lil water to increase strength? Only thing im worried about with A-dex is a possibility of having an estrogen rebound effect but ill research clomid a little more. I just dont want bitch tits and i dont think ill get them at this dose but should I be keeping those things on hand just in case?
 
yeah I would keep novladex and arimidex on hand in case anything happens

precaution is always better than nothing at all
better safe than sorry imo.

nolvadex is used best against gyno
 
Hybridtheory2o said:
Yep I try. It was something I learned and picked up on when I first came to these boards. Oh yeh I ask a lot of questions lol some of the guys will know what I am talkin about when they see this. Plus I see all the horror stories but success stories as well and I def wanna be a success story as a result of doin shit right.
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ya I know what you mean...but please keep them coming bro its what I am here for.
 
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