W must cut Lott loose.

[Longhorn85]

Trent Lott is harmless and much less of a racist than many democratic Senators, to include the only former klansman...Senator Robert Byrd of West VA, leader of the democrats.

But Trent put his foot in his mouth once too often and is ineffective anyway. Time for him to go and stop dragging W down.

 

[Testosterone boy]

I tire of evaluating national leadership by how smooth their tongue is. What about the person behind the mouth instead of just evaluating how satiated our ass feels after they kiss it.

If you want smooth talkers, you will get liberal gays quite often. Is that what you want?

 

[Longhorn85]

I tire of evaluating national leadership by how smooth their tongue is. What about the person behind the mouth instead of just evaluating how satiated our ass feels after they kiss it.

If you want smooth talkers, you will get liberal gays quite often. Is that what you want?

You're partially right, but the cold reality is that Trent Lott has become a political liability. He won't recover from this one, and as I said in my first post, he is not making much of a contribution these days anyway. The GOP lost the Senate under his leadership. It is not worth the risk to W. Get a new, young conservative leader in the Senate such as Rick Sambora (I think thats his name) of Penn.

 

[Testosterone boy]

You're partially right, but the cold reality is that Trent Lott has become a political liability. He won't recover from this one, and as I said in my first post, he is not making much of a contribution these days anyway. The GOP lost the Senate under his leadership. It is not worth the risk to W. Get a new, young conservative leader in the Senate such as Rick Sambora (I think thats his name) of Penn.

Maybe....I don't watch what those guys are doing all that close. I thought his comment was clearly a mistake but everyone fucks up at times.

I think it is a bad example and bad humanity to can a person for a verbal blunder that wasn't that bad in my opinion. We have way too much Nazi PC going around. i.e.--if they didn't satiate your ass..........fire them.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

GWB handled it very well.

 

[Lao Tzu]

where did Lott say he supported segregation? all he did was kiss Thurmond's ass during his birthday party.

This is probably just an attempt to pull black voters away from the democrats & into republicans. I don't even see what Lott did that was so bad, but he will be sacraficed in order to make the republican party seem more racially friendly.

 

[FreeballinDC]

I was wondering when you were going to weigh in on this one.

BTW, welcome back from the Dust Bowl!!

 

[p0ink]

having lott resign is not the answer. all this will do is allow the democrats to say, "see! we told you he was a racist! all republicans are racist! blah blah blah" and they will continue to try to label republican after republican as being racist/sexist/etc.

lott's resignation will help the democrats 'confirm' their incorrect stereotype of all republicans being racist.

they are just trying to do to lott what they did to newt.

however, im not a huge fan of lott's leadership, so if he should step down, it should because another republican challenged him for the leadership of the party, not because some bullshit label given to him for being nice to an old man.

 

[HumorMe]

I agree ttlpkg.

Welcome back dude. Good to se you!

 

[bullett]

If you want smooth talkers, you will get liberal gays quite often. Is that what you want?

= CLINTON

 

[WODIN]

Lets see. Strom Thurman was a "Dixiecrat" who ran for President on a segregation platform.

Now if someone were to say "If we had elected Strom Thurman President 50 years ago then we wouldn't we have these problems today." Then it would be logical to conclude that this person supported Strom Thurmans idealogy.

 

[FreeballinDC]

Lets see. Strom Thurman was a "Dixiecrat" who ran for President on a segregation platform.

Now if someone were to say "If we had elected Strom Thurman President 50 years ago then we wouldn't we have these problems today." Then it would be logical to conclude that this person supported Strom Thurmans idealogy.

And if Thurmon were elected, ttlpkg wouldn't be free to chase white women, and I couldn't chase black men.

 

[WODIN]

LOL @ FB.

 

[Lao Tzu]

Lets see. Strom Thurman was a "Dixiecrat" who ran for President on a segregation platform.

Now if someone were to say "If we had elected Strom Thurman President 50 years ago then we wouldn't we have these problems today." Then it would be logical to conclude that this person supported Strom Thurmans idealogy.

he was kissing his ass. It was his 100th birthday party. What did people say to you during your 100th birthday party 'you're fat & stupid, but at least you're still alive'? no, they kissed your ass, told you how accomplished & great you were. It doesn't mean anything.

Also, thurmond probably had 100 issues he ran on in 48, not just race. what were his economic, international, criminal, domestic, militaristic, etc policies? did he run on a 100% segregationist ticket like wallace did or was that just one of many issues he had when he ran in '48?

 

[Frackal]

I saw some democratic congresswoman on a show called "nashman" last night...she was from cali and was saying that the first order of business for the 108th congress should be censuring or censoring this guy...couldnt understand her speak...was very unimpressed with what appeared to me as a lack of intelligence that rivaled GWB....and quite the illogical mindset...as if the most important thing on the board was this issue.

 

[Lao Tzu]

isn't the fact that black people turn to violent crime & denounce education in droves more important than what a politician said or if he was a KKK member 20 years ago?

 

[BangedUp]

isn't the fact that black people turn to violent crime & denounce education in droves more important than what a politician said or if he was a KKK member 20 years ago?

You would think so, but politicians couldn't care less about helping anyone. They would rather tear each other down then actually get something down.

Hell, the democrats have a former KKK member, yet rarely does anything get mentioned about this.

 

[Zebo]

Those most surprising part of this whole thing is that it took Jesse Jackson more than 5 minutes to jump all over it. He must be getting slow.

Either way its a sad state of affairs.....he fucked up, time to pay the price....

 

[BangedUp]

Jessie is such a fucking hypocrite. He had no problem calling Jews "Hymies" and referrring to New York as "Hymie Town."

The left needs to shut the fuck up. They had no problems with a comment like "Fucking Jew bastard" from Hillary Clinton.

I have my problems with Lott; IMHO, he's an easily manipulated pussy.

But, before we go calling for his resignation, why not get rid of people who mouth the oath of office, all the while having no intention whatsoever of living up to it?

There are 50+ avowed socialists (all Democrats) who need to hit the bricks before Lott; Black Panther Bobby Rush isn't exactly a voice of "diversity", yet he's a member of the same party as Klan chieftain Bob Byrd.

 

[big4life]

This whole mess would have been defused if Lott had come out and apologized publicly. Instead he chose to call a couple talk shows and express his regret at the misunderstanding. He shot himself in the foot, then it's almost like he enjoyed it so much, he did it again.

 

[Doktor Bollix]

The South has been Republican (by massive coincidence) since the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Racism has helped the Republicans way more than it has hurt them, and that will continue to be the case. They are just more subtle about it now so they can bamboozle the soccer moms. That's Lott's real crime. Appearances are more important than reality in politics.

I can think of numerous reasons Trent Lott should be gone, and this ain't one of them. He's a contemptible individual, utter scum, but apart from Lott's big mouth, every ranking Republican from shrub down (Bob Jones University anyone?) would be gone for this same reason if appearances weren't more important than reality.

Much as I enjoy Trent's current discomfort, him going would be another victory for hypocrisy in American politics.

 

[Lao Tzu]

The South has been Republican (by massive coincidence) since the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Racism has helped the Republicans way more than it has hurt them, and that will continue to be the case. They are just more subtle about it now so they can bamboozle the soccer moms. That's Lott's real crime. Appearances are more important than reality in politics.

how do you mean? are you talking about subliminal ties between minorities, violent crime & hard drugs and how republicans take a hard line against violent crime & hard drugs, and as a direct result tap into the unspoken fear of black people most white people have?

i don't really consider republicans racist anymore than i consider liberals pantywaists, but what is your justification for your statement?

 

[WODIN]

he was kissing his ass. It was his 100th birthday party. What did people say to you during your 100th birthday party 'you're fat & stupid, but at least you're still alive'? no, they kissed your ass, told you how accomplished & great you were. It doesn't mean anything.

Also, thurmond probably had 100 issues he ran on in 48, not just race. what were his economic, international, criminal, domestic, militaristic, etc policies? did he run on a 100% segregationist ticket like wallace did or was that just one of many issues he had when he ran in '48?

Lott expressed the exact same sentiment in 1980 as well. So your saying he has been kissing stroms ass for 22 years? Then he needs to come out of the closet.

 

[Doktor Bollix]

how do you mean? are you talking about subliminal ties between minorities, violent crime & hard drugs and how republicans take a hard line against violent crime & hard drugs, and as a direct result tap into the unspoken fear of black people most white people have?

Lol we are dealing with overt racism here, nothing subliminal about it. The south voted Democrat before the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Republican after. Fact. The party of Abe Lincoln's campaigns in the South revolved around race for some time after this. Though I accept it is not as central as it was then, it's obviously still important. You only have to read the words of the Senate Majority leader!

 

[big4life]

This is one of the big reasons why a lot of people are turned off by politics and politicians. They are quick to attack when someone in the other party makes mistakes, and quick to defend when it's someone in their own party. What ever happened to right and wrong, no matter what party they are in?

 

[FreeballinDC]

It's called career enhancement. At some point, the person you condemned could be in a position to appoint you to some post that could make your career.

Who cares if it is right or wrong, as long as it benefits you.

 

[Longhorn85]

I think it is a bad example and bad humanity to can a person for a verbal blunder that wasn't that bad in my opinion. We have way too much Nazi PC going around. i.e.--if they didn't satiate your ass..........fire them.

This is not the first strike for Lott. It is as more an indightment of his lack of good judgement than anything else. He hurt his party.

W's response yesterday was perfect though. He will continue to succeed with or without Lott. I would just like to see Lott step down and get a younger, more conservative Senate Majority Leader.


Thanks to all for the welcome back, it is good to be back in the land of the big PX!

 

[TxArmyGuy]

Hope all the Sun in Cali was good for ya...Heard my boys from the 501st had been pretty succesfull at NTC

We got snow now so hopefully in a few weeks the slopes will be full

 

[Longhorn85]

This is one of the big reasons why a lot of people are turned off by politics and politicians. They are quick to attack when someone in the other party makes mistakes, and quick to defend when it's someone in their own party. What ever happened to right and wrong, no matter what party they are in?

Well you should be encouraged by the current situation. W didn't defend his buddy Lott. In fact, Bush criticized his fellow Republican harshly over this matter.

 

[TxArmyGuy]

Personally I agree...it's time for a younger generation to start getting more involved....Thats always the problem in my opinion...The old Foggy's always pissing people off...Never mind what the younger generations have to say

how much of a racist can he be???this was found on aol

Back at home and inside the Congressional Record, Lott has championed several black causes.

He introduced the Senate resolution condemning a rash of black church arsons in the 1990s, helped win a space research center that now bears his name at the traditionally black Jackson State University and led the effort to overcome a filibuster and get the Africa Free Trade bill passed.

Also, he worked with the Clinton administration in the 1990s to help create the Delta Regional Authority to help spur economic development in the mostly poor, minority areas of the Mississippi Delta. The region recently got 6,000 jobs with the arrival of an automaker.

 

[Doktor Bollix]

W's response yesterday was perfect though. He will continue to succeed with or without Lott. I would just like to see Lott step down and get a younger, more conservative Senate Majority Leader.

So which is it, Bush should "cut him loose" or just tut-tut a bit and say a few words? Make up your mind.

Lott was never a conservative, nor are a majority of the Republicans. They want to expand the power of the state, to increase state intervention in the economy, to protect the state from public surveillance, to destroy civil liberties. Anyone who thinks Robert Taft would claim these enemies of the constitution is deluded.

 

[Testosterone boy]

So which is it, Bush should "cut him loose" or just tut-tut a bit and say a few words? Make up your mind.

Lott was never a conservative, nor are a majority of the Republicans. They want to expand the power of the state, to increase state intervention in the economy, to protect the state from public surveillance, to destroy civil liberties. Anyone who thinks Robert Taft would claim these enemies of the constitution is deluded.

Lets cut to the chase. Illegalization of abortion would really, really hurt you in the wallet. I have no problem with protecting your interests but that is your true motivation for GOP attacks.

 

[Doktor Bollix]

Lets cut to the chase. Illegalization of abortion would really, really hurt you in the wallet. I have no problem with protecting your interests but that is your true motivation for GOP attacks.

Eh?

 

[Longhorn85]

So which is it, Bush should "cut him loose" or just tut-tut a bit and say a few words? Make up your mind.

In fairness, my call to cut him loose was prior to Bush's public statements condeming Lott's blurb. It was well accepted and I think now, as I said, that Lott's hanging around won't hurt W. I also stand by my statement that the GOP and W would be better off in a Lott-free environment.

 

[Hangfire]

Lott didn't mean to imply any kind of racial bias with his comment. However, it is fortunate that it is being taken the wrong way becaue it establishes the pretext for President Bush to ask him to step aside as Senate Majority Leader---something that should have happened years ago. Lott is not a leader and he is not a strong-enough advocate of the Republican platform. This is a blessing in disguise.

 

[Longhorn85]

Lott is not a leader and he is not a strong-enough advocate of the Republican platform. This is a blessing in disguise.

I agree. What about his hair though? Not one out of place.

 

[Hangfire]

I kind of doubt that it is "his" hair.

 

[Testosterone boy]

Bush just fired the Treasury Secretary and Chief Economic Advisor. Would it not look bad to immediately fire the Senate Majority Leader?

It would look "unstable" in my opinion. The economy is THE problem. Not Lott.

Lott is a team player....there is good and bad with that.

 

[MP5]

The left was really reaching to pin Lott as a racist! Did you see the b-day boy, he was practically drooling on himself. Lott was trying to show him respect, that is it. People read too much into this shit.

On the other hand, how is segregation such a bad idea? Integrate and test scores go down, drop out rate goes up, crime rate goes up, pregnancy rate goes up, this is a fact.

 

[Cyclemein]

My only thing is this, during his speech at the birthday party he said "big problems." I don't think race relations is a big problem. I think the economy, military upkeep, fiscal responsibility, social security, and illegal immigration are the big problems in this country. Now, there maybe others but race relations just isn't one of them.

 

[WarriorPL]

Here are a couple of neat facts...

There are more black men in prison today than are attending college.

Oh... and 80% of the crime committed in the US is by black people, but more white people die of the death sentence yearly than black... fucking Al Sharpton.

 

[manny78]

Trent Lott is harmless and much less of a racist than many democratic Senators, to include the only former klansman...Senator Robert Byrd of West VA, leader of the democrats.

But Trent put his foot in his mouth once too often and is ineffective anyway. Time for him to go and stop dragging W down.

you mean the leader of the democrats is an ex-KKK ? How do democrats explain and defend that ? Interesting....

 

[Cyclemein]

I wouldn't say 80% of crimes committed are by blacks but rather they get caught.

 

[Testosterone boy]

Here are a couple of neat facts...

There are more black men in prison today than are attending college.

Oh... and 80% of the crime committed in the US is by black people, but more white people die of the death sentence yearly than black... fucking Al Sharpton.

That 80% figure is totally false! It might be close to 40% or so though....max.


Crime is equal opportunity. I've been ripped off by everyone I think. Except dear old Mom and Dad.

 

[BackDoc]

Crime is equal opportunity. I've been ripped off by everyone I think. Except dear old Mom and Dad.

Very true.

 

[Longhorn85]

Re: Re: W must cut Lott loose.

you mean the leader of the democrats is an ex-KKK ? How do democrats explain and defend that ? Interesting....

They don't. They just claim that republicans are racist. By the way, Byrd wasn't just some guy who inadvertendly showed up at a Klan meeting, he was a friggin grand wizard or some shit. Also Fritz Hollings of SC has a background much worse than Lott's. Al Gore Sr. voted against the civil rights bill, etc, etc.

 

[p0ink]

Re: Re: Re: W must cut Lott loose.

They don't. They just claim that republicans are racist. By the way, Byrd wasn't just some guy who inadvertendly showed up at a Klan meeting, he was a friggin grand wizard or some shit. Also Fritz Hollings of SC has a background much worse than Lott's. Al Gore Sr. voted against the civil rights bill, etc, etc.

im starting to agree with your stance on ditching lott. he is going to be on BET monday night for an hour, 'explaining' himself.

he was a bad leader to begin with, but i just hope he doesnt step down for this reason. it might help the dems give legitimacy to their stupid claims of all republicans being 'racists.'

 

[Longhorn85]

Re: Re: Re: Re: W must cut Lott loose.

im starting to agree with your stance on ditching lott. he is going to be on BET monday night for an hour, 'explaining' himself.

he was a bad leader to begin with, but i just hope he doesnt step down for this reason. it might help the dems give legitimacy to their stupid claims of all republicans being 'racists.'

Yeah, I'd like to see a new majority leader, but Lott shouldn't leave the Senate, don't want to give the dems that satisfaction.