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Dicreatine Malate---- 8.3 grams (stable form of creatine, with Energy)
N-actytl-Glutamine--2.0 grams (stable form of glutamine, spikes G levels fast
Alpha Lipoic---------200 mgs (enhances absorption of both above)

60 servings

mix in grape juice, apple juice or crystal light

you will get sotonger faster,

ideally stacked with Ener-G

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flavored glutamine peptides
 
1: Int J Sport Nutr Exerc Metab. 2003 Sep;13(3):294-302. Related Articles, Links


Effect of alpha-lipoic acid combined with creatine monohydrate on human skeletal muscle creatine and phosphagen concentration.

Burke DG, Chilibeck PD, Parise G, Tarnopolsky MA, Candow DG.

Department of Human Kinetics, St. Francis Xavier University, Antigonish, Nova Scotia, Canada B2G 2W5.

Alpha-lipoic acid has been found to enhance glucose uptake into skeletal muscle in animal models. Studies have also found that the co-ingestion of carbohydrate along with creatine increases muscle creatine uptake by a process related to insulin-stimulated glucose disposal. The purpose of this study was to determine the effect of alpha-lipoic acid on human skeletal muscle creatine uptake by directly measuring intramuscular concentrations of creatine, phosphocreatine, and adenosine triphosphate when creatine monohydrate was co-ingested with alpha-lipoic acid. Muscle biopsies were acquired from the vastus lateralis m. of 16 male subjects (18-32 y) before and after the experimental intervention. After the initial biopsy, subjects ingested 20 g x d(-1) of creatine monohydrate, 20 g x d(-1) of creatine monohydrate + 100 g x d(-1) of sucrose, or 20 g x d(-1) of creatine monohydrate + 100 g x d(-1) of sucrose + 1000 mg x d(-1) of alpha-lipoic acid for 5 days. Subjects refrained from exercise and consumed the same balanced diet for 7 days. Body weight increased by 2.1% following the nutritional intervention, with no differences between the groups. There was a significant increase in total creatine concentration following creatine supplementation, with the group ingesting alpha-lipoic acid showing a significantly greater increase (p < .05) in phosphocreatine (87.6 --> 106.2 mmol x kg(-1) dry mass [dm]) and total creatine (137.8 --> 156.8 mmol x kg(-1) dm). These findings indicate that co-ingestion of alpha-lipoic acid with creatine and a small amount of sucrose can enhance muscle total creatine content as compared to the ingestion of creatine and sucrose or creatine alone.
 
ditto? Thats gonna cause some problems if you decided to put ala instead of r-ala when these other AF guys push r-ala like its gold.
 
R-ALA tastes like ass (if you ever experience it upon your tongue you will understand).



And from what I understand, it will spoil rapidly, giving it an unreasonable shelf-life.
 
ala cus it more durable than r-ala

as long as you seal the container tight each time you use it it will be ok.......

its a bitt iffy but its ok

the ph's of the other compounds interect fine

it the tightening of the lid that ismost important
 
Reprinted from "The Bull" bi-weekly publication of Bulk Nutrition

By Karl Hoffman
Alpha Lipoic Acid increases Creatine uptake




Both alpha lipoic acid (ALA) and creatine monohydrate have become staple supplements for athletes and bodybuilders. The former has been shown in a number of studies to increase glucose uptake into skeletal muscle. The benefit of this is clear to athletes, since a portion of the extra glucose taken up in the presence of ALA will be stored as glycogen for use as fuel for working muscles, helping to stave off fatigue.

The ergogenic effect of creatine is believed to be due to an increase in intracellular phosphocreatine concentrations and to increased phosphocreatine and adenosine triphosphate (ATP) resynthesis rates (1,2).

Phosphocreatine and ATP are the body’s so called "energy currency". When foodstuffs are consumed, the food is converted ultimately into ATP and phosphcreatine, which are used to fuel the body’s metabolic processes. Creatine may exert other anabolic effects as well. In one study myotubes, the basic building blocks of muscle tissue, were incubated in a medium containing creatine (3). It was observed that the addition of creatine led to an increase in insulin like growth factor 1 (IGF-1) as well as other so called myogenic regulatory factors (MRF). Both IGF-1 and MRF contribute to muscle hypertrophy, and this may be a contributing factor to the strength gains seen with creatine supplementation.

Yet a third phenomenon may be responsible for the ergogenic effects of creatine. The force of contraction of skeletal muscle is a function of intracellular calcium ion concentration. Potassium ion (K+) concentration on the other hand dampens the contractile response to Ca (2+) ions.
Green et.al. (5) showed that creatine uptake was 60% greater when creatine was consumed along with a carbohydrate compared to creatine consumed alone. Carbohydrate ingestion elevates insulin, and it is believed that the combination of insulin and simultaneous glucose transport into muscle tissue is responsible for the increased uptake of creatine.

Creatine is well known as a cell volumizer; water enters the cell along with creatine. This dilutes the K+ concentration allowing for a greater contractile response to calcium ions (4).

Green et.al. (5) showed that creatine uptake was 60% greater when creatine was consumed along with a carbohydrate compared to creatine consumed alone. Carbohydrate ingestion elevates insulin, and it is believed that the combination of insulin and simultaneous glucose transport into muscle tissue is responsible for the increased uptake of creatine. The amount of carbohydrate found by Green et.al required to maximize creatine uptake was 100 grams per 5 grams of creatine. This is a considerable amount of carbohydrate.

Since ALA has been shown to enhance glucose transport into muscle tissue, this prompted the authors of the current paper under discussion (6) to ask whether the consumption of ALA along with creatine and much smaller amounts of carbohydrate (to stimulate insulin secretion) might enhance creatine uptake. If so, this would avoid the excess carbohydrate calories required to maximize creatine uptake. This would benefit individuals with glucose intolerance or those people on a cutting cycle or ketogenic diet wishing to minimize carbohydrate consumption.






In the current study (6), the authors took 20 males 18-32 years of age who characterized themselves as recreational weightlifters, training moderately 3 times per week, and randomly assigned them to one of three groups. One group ingested 4 x 5 gm/day of creatine monohydrate alone (CR). The second group ingested 4 x 5 gm/day creatine plus 4 x 25 gm/day sucrose (CRS). The third group ingested 4 x 5 gm/day creatine, 4 x 25 gm/day sucrose, and 4 x 250 mg/day of ALA (CRSLA). The subjects were put on this regimen for seven days.






All subjects experienced significant weight gain after the 7-day period, averaging 1.7 kg, with no significant differences between the groups. Muscle biopsies were taken and total creatine and phosphocreatine were measured in each group. In the creatine and creatine plus sucrose groups there was no significant increase in either parameter. This is not surprising since the amount of sucrose ingested per gram of creatine was much less than the amount studies have shown necessary to enhance creatine uptake.

However, the creatine/sucrose/ALA group showed significant increases in both phosphocreatine and total creatine content in the skeletal muscle.
Alpha lipoic acid, when ingested with creatine and small amounts of carbohydrate significantly increases total intracellular creatine content as well as phosphocreatine content.

Phosphocreatine, the active form of creatine in that it is a store for high-energy phosphate, increased by approximately 20%. Total creatine content increased by about 15%.






Alpha lipoic acid, when ingested with creatine and small amounts of carbohydrate significantly increases total intracellular creatine content as well as phosphocreatine content. Since many chemical agents used by bodybuilders and athletes, including anabolic steroids, growth hormone, and thyroid hormone promote hyperglycemia and insulin resistance, the use of ALA with creatine allows for much lower carbohydrate intake and may well benefit those athletes with glucose intolerance.


1) Casey A, Constantin-Teodosiu D, Howell S, Hultman E, Greenhaff PL. Creatine ingestion favorably affects performance and muscle metabolism during maximal exercise in humans Am J Physiol. 1996 Jul;271(1 Pt 1):E31-7

2) Greenhaff PL, Bodin K, Soderlund K, Hultman E. Effect of oral creatine supplementation on skeletal muscle phosphocreatine resynthesis. Am J Physiol 1994 May;266(5 Pt 1):E725-30

3) Louis M, Van Beneden R, Dehoux M, Thissen JP, Francaux M. Creatine increases IGF-I and myogenic regulatory factor mRNA in C(2)C(12) cells. FEBS Lett. 2004 Jan 16;557(1-3):243-7.

4) Murphy RM, Stephenson DG, Lamb GD. Effect of creatine on contractile force and sensitivity in mechanically -skinned single fibers from rat skeletal muscle. Am J Physiol Cell Physiol. 2004 Jul 2

5) Green AL, Simpson EJ, Littlewood JJ, Macdonald IA, Greenhaff PL. Carbohydrate ingestion augments creatine retention during creatine feeding in humans. Acta Physiol Scand. 1996 Oct;158(2):195-202 6) Burke DG, Chilibeck PD, Parise G, Tarnopolsky MA, Candow DG. Effect of alpha-lipoic acid combined with creatine monohydrate on human skeletal muscle creatine and phosphagen concentration. Int J Sport Nutr Exerc Metab. 2003 Sep;13(3):294-302
 
hardrock said:
So, it's 60 servings. How many serving do you recommend a day?


for regular people

the first 5 days take 2 servings a day to "load"

then after take one serving After workouts.


for the more advanced take one pre and post workout

2 servings a day

if you do that your getting over

16 grams of DiCreatine Malate
4 grams of N-acetyl-Glutamine
400 mgs of Alpha Lipoic :coffee:
 
My experience is ALA from BAC burned like hell if let desolve in your mouth, no bad taste though. R-ALA from AF still burns but not nearly as much and if I remember correctly it was said that R-ALA was suppose to burn less because it was purer.
 
GoinDeep said:
My experience is ALA from BAC burned like hell if let desolve in your mouth, no bad taste though. R-ALA from AF still burns but not nearly as much and if I remember correctly it was said that R-ALA was suppose to burn less because it was purer.



no prob with this one we were VERY carfull with :artist:

200 mgs can be consumed with no interference, in this case


the whole product is sour tasting like tart so juice not only aids in absorption, but makes it tatse fine
 
the report from users is that ther is little of no sub q water retention on it
it feels real "clean" if you can say so

also DIcreatine Malate is totally different than creatine, it has better functionality, dissolves instantly, and the Creatine malate bond aid in energy formation via Krebs cycle, and delivers creatine effect more effeciantly

its cost effective as well
 
Malate salt in DiCreatine Malate is of much benefit to athletes and can further potentiate effects of creatine: malic acid acts as pyruvate/lactate buffer and an ATP-synthesis substrate in the Krebs cycle, along with NADH and AKG :o
 
OMEGA said:
ps it mixes instantly but you have to mix its with juice, or Crystal light alone it taste VERY sour


:)

remember we did NOT flavor it so you could just add it to Gatorade, Fruit Juice Crystal light or whatever you desire ......


it not only takes care of the taste , but enhances absorption of the

Dicreatine Malate---- 8.3 grams
N-actytl-Glutamine--2.0 grams
Alpha Lipoic---------200 mgs
 
Dynacleine 50ml
Composition :Adenosine triphosphate (ATP).
Actions : ATP is the essential high energy component of chemical reactions required for intracellular metabolism, muscle contraction and nerve function. It has been used clinically to help reduce the effects of fatigue and muscular overwork, and is used as an adjunct to treatment of torn and injured muscle, tendon and ligament tissue, particularly in the racing greyhound. May assist in muscular contraction and the production of intracellular energy.
Indications : Muscular injuries in greyhounds.
Dosage and Administration : Intramuscular injection. Horses. 2 ml/50 kg bodyweight. Dogs. 1 ml/10 kg bodyweight. 2 to 5 injections may be administered 24 to 48 hours apart. Local administration. To assist repair as an adjunct to other therapy: multiple injections of 0.2 to 0.5 ml to total 1 to 2 ml around area of muscle injury 24 to 48 hours after injury in racing greyhounds.
Presentation : Injection (multidose vial), 12.5 mg/ml: 50 ml.

http://www.equineenterprises.net/
 
RussianRocket said:
R-ALA tastes like ass (if you ever experience it upon your tongue you will understand).

Not all ass tastes bad. :)
 
ok Volume dissolves instantly

but remeber its not flavored


cranberry, OJ, or grapfruit is the best way to cover the taste
 
Any other experiences/opinions?
 
its being changed actually :)

so get this version while you can since it is a good buy......

we are going to flavor the next version
 
How does this compare to a product like Plasmavol?
 
I got two tubs of volume DNA shipped to Australia, been taking it just under a week, 2 servings a day mixed with applejuice.

i think it tastes fine except for a slight sour after taste.

i dont think theres any need to spend time and money on flavouring its fine just the way it is !!

same as the orginal glutagain, tasted a bit weird but bearable, vanilla flavouring is good but wasnt needed.

anyway Genetec EnerG is an awesome supplment, and if Volume DNA is anywhere near as good, you will have one very very happy customer !!! :supercool

right on omega !!
 
I've been on this for a little over a few weeks now. It is a cell-volumizer, as mentioned. I'm pleased with the product. Don't expect MIND blowing results, it will not do that, however, it has helped in body composition as well as a slight increase in weight gain and endurance/stamina in the gym, thus resulting in more reps/sets. Vascularity has increased a bit. It mixes well and doesn't leave a terrible aftertaste ;)

Currently, I'm stacking it with EnerG.
 
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