Hmmm, Frackal took the though right out of my mind in regard to those members. I have been reading their responces to some threads and though to myself that they sure sound ignorant and uninformed in basic facts about excercise and supplements. Then i read their condesending type of postings and thought that they are just ridiculous, so much so in fact that i did not even want to bother getting into it. But i am glad Frack found the patience to try. Good going bro.