Vets What Would U Choose?

[Socio]

Hi what would be better for a 1st cycle?

dianabol 30mg ED weeks 1-4
test cyp/enathate(either) 400mg weeks 1-8
test prop 75mg ED weeks 9-10
ending on sunday week 11, clomid starting wed week 11 at 150mg , then thurs - wed 100mgs ED then thurs-wed 50mg ED

OR.

test prop 200mg EOD weeks 1-2
test cyp or enathate 500mg weeks 1-8
test prop 75mg ED weeks 9-10

clomid as above?

q. Would taking a short acting ester like propionate for only 1 week be effective until the long acting cypionate kicks in... or would 2 weeks be required?

q.2 Is 500mgs too much for a beginner i know the new school of thought is 400-500mg per week ... not 200 like the old days

for the last few months ive been set on the 1st cycle I outlined and am still most likely to go with , just want a opinon on which is better.

(also liquidex on the side for gyno or water retention probs)

thanks guys i like the quick responses on this site. its hard being addicted to 2 chat forums (this and anabolic review)

 

[pete ferguson]

For my own self, I would choose your first example because I like d-bol. I wouldn't start the clomid until 2 to 3 weeks after your last injection.....it would be counterproductive otherwise. One thing that I have always wondered is why people use prop. at the end of a cycle vs. the start of a cycle. It would seem that you would want to use a fast ester test. at the start of the cycle and a slow ester test. at the end. 500mg. a week of test. will be fine. If it's Mexican, you won't be getting that much. I'm doing 600mg. of T-200 twice a week which would equate to 1200mg., but since it's Mexican, it's probably only about 750mg.

 

[rickw]

I agree with Pete. Good advice bro. Also have some nolvadex on hand in case of signs of gyno. Goodluck.

 

[Socio]

The reason to switching to a shorter acting ester to the end of a cycle is so testosterone levels dont drop too much post cycle ... by starting to reinhibit my natural levels within 3-4 days so more gains will be maintained.

And if im using dianabol at the start of my cycle i wont need prop because the dbol will give me the quick start

 

[IronFist]

Do the first cycle...Those other 2 guys who posted don't know shit so throw what they said out the window...Dbol is one of the best ways to just start your cycyle...The other way is to frontload, which since this is your first cycle, I wouldn't consider it for a few cycles...

What type of test are you using? If it is human grade, I would stick to 400mg a week... If it is vet you may want to use 500-600mg per week cause it is underdosed...

Prop at the end of the cycle is a good idea, it will keep your test levels and gains more constant as the cyp/enanthate tapers out of your system. Take the prop for at least a full 2 weeks after your last shot of cyp/enathate...3 days after your last shot of prop, start your clomid...

 

[IronFist]

For my own self, I would choose your first example because I like d-bol. I wouldn't start the clomid until 2 to 3 weeks after your last injection.....it would be counterproductive otherwise. One thing that I have always wondered is why people use prop. at the end of a cycle vs. the start of a cycle. It would seem that you would want to use a fast ester test. at the start of the cycle and a slow ester test. at the end. 500mg. a week of test. will be fine. If it's Mexican, you won't be getting that much. I'm doing 600mg. of T-200 twice a week which would equate to 1200mg., but since it's Mexican, it's probably only about 750mg.

If you don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about, don'tt post...you're not helping anyone...

 

[jc21]

wow there is a bunch of crap floating around in this post. first off people use prop at the end so they can go straight into clomid therapy instead of taking a couple weeks off. second T-200 is NOT underdoesd that much.
i think both cycles suck...if i HAD to choose i would go for the first one. take something anabolic!! it will give you better gains and way easier to retain. throw in some eq or deca. how bout this:

week 1-8 500mg/wk test enanthate
week 1-10 400mg/wk eq or deca
week 9-10 75mg/day of prop
week 11-13 clomid therapy

if you really think u need it, which you probably dont:
week 1-3(or 4) 25-30mg/day dbol.

just my opinion.

 

[Willyumyum]

wow there is a bunch of crap floating around in this post. first off people use prop at the end so they can go straight into clomid therapy instead of taking a couple weeks off. second T-200 is NOT underdoesd that much.
i think both cycles suck...if i HAD to choose i would go for the first one. take something anabolic!! it will give you better gains and way easier to retain. throw in some eq or deca. how bout this:

week 1-8 500mg/wk test enanthate
week 1-10 400mg/wk eq or deca
week 9-10 75mg/day of prop
week 11-13 clomid therapy

if you really think u need it, which you probably dont:
week 1-3(or 4) 25-30mg/day dbol.

just my opinion.

JC has my vote for man of the post...

YUM

 

[IronFist]

wow there is a bunch of crap floating around in this post. first off people use prop at the end so they can go straight into clomid therapy instead of taking a couple weeks off. second T-200 is NOT underdoesd that much.
i think both cycles suck...if i HAD to choose i would go for the first one. take something anabolic!! it will give you better gains and way easier to retain. throw in some eq or deca. how bout this:

week 1-8 500mg/wk test enanthate
week 1-10 400mg/wk eq or deca
week 9-10 75mg/day of prop
week 11-13 clomid therapy

if you really think u need it, which you probably dont:
week 1-3(or 4) 25-30mg/day dbol.

just my opinion.

Nice cycle, but you just made yourself look stupid..."first off people use prop at the end so they can go strait into clomid instead of taking a couple weeks off"... If he did your cycle, the prop is a complete waste...The Eq or Deca won't be out of your system til week 13 so why the hell are you using prop for weeks 9+10 and starting clomid on the 11? You totally defeated what you are trying to accomplish...

BTW: Genious I've seen hardcopies on the T200 that say it ranges from 157mg-178mg...So, don't try to make it look like I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about...Do a little research and quit talking shit...

 

[IronFist]

JC has my vote for man of the post...

YUM

As soon as you're done sucking him off, go back and re-read his timing with the clomid and the rest of the damn cycle...

 

[animal B]

to bad we dont have the cypro200 anymore..but take 100mg mixed with a 250mg of ethanate..take that 3x per week for 10 weeks..use the dbol 30mg per day 6 weeks..end with clomid..and start proviron in week 6-10 50mg per day..keep nolva on hand just in case

 

[CN1]

well I dont think either of those are good for a first cycle, first off not one drug you listed on there is highly anabolic, and you arent gonna keep shit off that cycle, this would be bette for a first cycle

sostenon
deca
equipoise
enanthate

 

[IronFist]

Wow, I think i need to back off on the fina a little bit...

Anyways, you can still use your first cycle and incorporate some of the things that CN1 said...Maybe like this,


dianabol 30mg ED weeks 1-4
test cyp/enathate(either) 400mg weeks 1-9
test prop 75mg ED weeks 10-11
EQ or Deca at 400mg/week weeks 1-8

Start the clomid at the end of week 11 and 3 days after your last shot of prop...

 

[Socio]

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Thanks guys as i said im pretty set on running the 1st cycle maybe ill add some deca like JC and IronFist said .....

 

[CN1]

bro if you really want a kick ass first cycle you should do this

winstrol
deca
sostenon
primobolan
equipoise

this is an expensive cycle an alternative would be

deca
sostenon
primobolan
equipoise

this will still run some bucks, last alternative

deca
sostenon
eq
dbol

 

[pete ferguson]

Hey IRONFIST!

Everyone has an opinion as to what might work for an individual. We are all not alike so what works for you might not work for someone else. Quit be so fucking self-rightous in thinking that you know all there is to know about AS. At the end of a test cycle, your own test levels are going to be non-existent to matter what you do. Your balls go to sleep, they think they're not needed anymore. As far as the Mexican goes, I've seen ratings in the 130 to 140 range, so don't say that I don't shit. Maybe you need to do some research yourself asshole.

My fina is just starting to kick in....what a trip!

 

[Quadsweep]

Did everyone miss the first cycle part of this???? Keep the first one simple.

200-400mg Test-E
200mg Deca or EQ
Both for 8 weeks
Clomid week10/11/12 100/75/50ED

He may gain 25# off of just this! I did 250mg of sust a week for eight weeks and gained 27# did no clomid (no one did then) and kept 20# So don't go off with these big assed dosages when you don't know if a little will work. And also D-bol on a first cycle is stupid!

 

[CN1]

bro for your first cycle the best thing to do is take highly anabolic drugs like primobolan, equipoise, deca, winstrol, and maybe some sostenon...........you want to avoid drugs that are androgenic such as anadrol, testosterones, dbol, halotestin, and shit like that, but the best thing to do is take highly anabolic drugs with one androgenic one, but the best advice I can give for a first cycle is to do deca eq and primobolan maybe some sostenon, after your first couple of cycles you can incorporate more androgenic substances, but for the first cycles you dont want to take them, cause your gains wont be solid or kept, and side effects will be outrageous, Im speaking from experience, my first cycles were all testosterones and hardly any highly anabolic drugs, so out of it I got gyno, deflation, and no nuts, so for all the bros who cant stand my rhetoric take a look! And your milligrams should be around the 500 t0 750 range anything less is a waste of time, cause if your only doing 200 and 400 mg's after the body breaks the shit down you will be lucky to get half of what you originally took, so a 500 to 750 range will be better, and some even say your first cycle should be 1000mgs. Bro I take 6000 mgs at once so dont think 500 is alot.

 

[IronFist]

Re: Hey IRONFIST!

Everyone has an opinion as to what might work for an individual. We are all not alike so what works for you might not work for someone else. Quit be so fucking self-rightous in thinking that you know all there is to know about AS. At the end of a test cycle, your own test levels are going to be non-existent to matter what you do. Your balls go to sleep, they think they're not needed anymore. As far as the Mexican goes, I've seen ratings in the 130 to 140 range, so don't say that I don't shit. Maybe you need to do some research yourself asshole.

My fina is just starting to kick in....what a trip!

You don't know what you are talking about as ar as the use of prop goes at the end of your cycle...As for the T200 rating's that wasn't directed at you, I've seen the lab results as well and was basically agreeing with you on that one...

 

[Quadsweep]

bro for your first cycle the best thing to do is take highly anabolic drugs like primobolan, equipoise, deca, winstrol, and maybe some sostenon...........you want to avoid drugs that are androgenic such as anadrol, testosterones, dbol, halotestin, and shit like that, but the best thing to do is take highly anabolic drugs with one androgenic one, but the best advice I can give for a first cycle is to do deca eq and primobolan maybe some sostenon, after your first couple of cycles you can incorporate more androgenic substances, but for the first cycles you dont want to take them, cause your gains wont be solid or kept, and side effects will be outrageous, Im speaking from experience, my first cycles were all testosterones and hardly any highly anabolic drugs, so out of it I got gyno, deflation, and no nuts, so for all the bros who cant stand my rhetoric take a look! And your milligrams should be around the 500 t0 750 range anything less is a waste of time, cause if your only doing 200 and 400 mg's after the body breaks the shit down you will be lucky to get half of what you originally took, so a 500 to 750 range will be better, and some even say your first cycle should be 1000mgs. Bro I take 6000 mgs at once so dont think 500 is alot.

Not to be a dick at all but if you really take 6000mgs a week!!!! Well I will just keep it to myself.

 

[IronFist]

Did everyone miss the first cycle part of this???? Keep the first one simple.

200-400mg Test-E
200mg Deca or EQ
Both for 8 weeks
Clomid week10/11/12 100/75/50ED

He may gain 25# off of just this! I did 250mg of sust a week for eight weeks and gained 27# did no clomid (no one did then) and kept 20# So don't go off with these big assed dosages when you don't know if a little will work. And also D-bol on a first cycle is stupid!

Dose is probably a little low, depending on the guys size...And, you'd need to start the clomid at week 11 beacue it takes the EQ/Deca 3 weeks to clear your body...

 

[jc21]

Nice cycle, but you just made yourself look stupid..."first off people use prop at the end so they can go strait into clomid instead of taking a couple weeks off"... If he did your cycle, the prop is a complete waste...The Eq or Deca won't be out of your system til week 13 so why the hell are you using prop for weeks 9+10 and starting clomid on the 11? You totally defeated what you are trying to accomplish...

yeah i can admit when i make a mistake.....now if i was taking the deca i would stop that 3 weeks before the clomid....but if i was taking the eq i would go straight in to the clomid since it doesnt seem to stop my natural test production. so i was think of eq.

BTW: Genious I've seen hardcopies on the T200 that say it ranges from 157mg-178mg...So, don't try to make it look like I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about...Do a little research and quit talking shit...

was this aimed at me?...first off i wasnt saying to you that it isnt underdosed that much, i was saying it to the guy that said he takes 6cc's a week. which at the low end of you theory would be 942mg/wk, which is extreme for a newbie. hope we got that straight.

you do need to back off the fina a little....

 

[Quadsweep]

Dose is probably a little low, depending on the guys size...And, you'd need to start the clomid at week 11 beacue it takes the EQ/Deca 3 weeks to clear your body...

Besides the Clomid timing(you are right I am doing like 3 things at once sice I became a mod!) I think lower at first is best, If you are not getting the gains then you can up it.

 

[IronFist]

yeah i can admit when i make a mistake.....now if i was taking the deca i would stop that 3 weeks before the clomid....but if i was taking the eq i would go straight in to the clomid since it doesnt seem to stop my natural test production. so i was think of eq.



was this aimed at me?...first off i wasnt saying to you that it isnt underdosed that much, i was saying it to the guy that said he takes 6cc's a week. which at the low end of you theory would be 942mg/wk, which is extreme for a newbie. hope we got that straight.

you do need to back off the fina a little....

My bad brutha...I was in a bad mood this morning and I thought you started in on me first...It's all good...

 

[CN1]

nah bro I take that much when I can, usually every two weeks, 10cc of sostenon, 10cc of deca, and 10 cc of enanthate, and if Im lucky some eq added too, plus my fina......if your gonna get huge you gotta load up!!!!

 

[IronFist]

nah bro I take that much when I can, usually every two weeks, 10cc of sostenon, 10cc of deca, and 10 cc of enanthate, and if Im lucky some eq added too, plus my fina......if your gonna get huge you gotta load up!!!!

No Anadrol huh? You big sissy...

 

[pete ferguson]

Quote:

"You don't know what you are talking about as ar as the use of prop goes at the end of your cycle...As for the T200 rating's that wasn't directed at you, I've seen the lab results as well and was basically agreeing with you on that one..."


The only time I used prop. (it was Loeffler), I got a nasty infection in both quads....I quickly lost interest in prop. I've seen on a few other boards that people had the same problem....could have been batch related or maybe I just can't tolerate it. Maybe I'll try it again someday, and use it as some of you guys suggest, but for now I'll stick with what works for me.

 

[Willyumyum]

As soon as you're done sucking him off, go back and re-read his timing with the clomid and the rest of the damn cycle...

Ok first off... Nasty, second off I was LAUGHING, not being serious... Why don't you learn to be less of an asshole..

YUM

 

[IronFist]

Ok first off... Nasty, second off I was LAUGHING, not being serious... Why don't you learn to be less of an asshole..

YUM

Ok, ok, ok ....I'm not usually a mean preson but I was havin a bad day and was really damn moody, I thought you and jc were talkin shit...My bad, i appologize, It's all good...

 

[Willyumyum]

Ok, ok, ok ....I'm not usually a mean preson but I was havin a bad day and was really damn moody, I thought you and jc were talkin shit...My bad, i appologize, It's all good...

Word bro Just wanted to set things straight...

YUM