Vets, Need your advice on Test prop, please look:

[Metal Gear]

I'm setting up my cutting cycle which includes Eq at 900mg, winny at 50mg ed, test at 100mg ed, hGH, proviron 50mg ed, Nolvadex 40mg ed, clen and maybe T3. If I up the prop to 150mg or 200mg ed would there be a lot of water retention then compared to 100mg ed?

 

[MR. BMJ]

I think you will be fine at 100mg's per day, especially since you are also gonna be taking GH, winny, EQ, etc. You will not lose any muscle that's for sure, even if it wasn't in there. Test will make you feel better sexually, and it is a cheap anticatabolic. You could probably get away with 300-400 mg's/week and still feel great (and save money too)....and i'm a person in favor of "larger" doses.

Eventually, when you feel ready again, I'd add back in some fina at some point for your cutting cycle, especially in conjunction with the T3. You could add "small" doses of Bromo to combat the progestinic effects. FONZ has stated that he doesn't get nauseated when he takes it with a small amount of warm milk. Start out with a quarter tab. then bump it up slowly.

Fina/winny/prop/Eq is just an awesome fucking stack, it's insanely awesome. Fina will be a MUST in ALL of my cutting cycles.

BMJ

 

[Metal Gear]

Bro, believe me I know how to cycle gear, just look at my avatar and my cycle history, I guess you must have missed all my posts this past year!

I'm asking the VETS for their opinion in upping my dose to 150-200mg ed instead of 100mg ed.

You're preaching to the preacher bro, just do a search with my name and you'll see my past cycle that I posted you'll understand what I'm talking about.

 

[MR. BMJ]

Uuuuhhhhh....I thought I answered your question man.

100mgs vs. 150-200mg's correct?

I'd stick with 100mg's like I stated above. On a hypocaloric diet your main purpose is to prevent as much catabolism as possible while losing fat and H20. 100mg's per day will definately work. You will not be gaining any muscle while hypocaloric. I think 200mg's per day will be overkill, AND cause water retenion as well. This will obviously vary due to conditions such as Carb intake, aromatization etc....since I READ your previous threads, I remember you stating that you have gyno problems due to "either progestrone or progestins" that was why I suggested fina at some point....when it is under control, or if you want to use Bromo with it. Since I HAVE used all these drugs at high doses, I was giving my opinion from pevious results.

YES, I have seen your posts and your pics. I complimented your back shot remember?

MR. BMJ

btw...if YOU do a search under "Mr. BMJ" in the "archived topics" you will see that I have been here for quite some time...longer than my 2000 date now.

 

[Metal Gear]

Uuuuhhhhh....I thought I answered your question man.

100mgs vs. 150-200mg's correct?

I'd stick with 100mg's like I stated above. On a hypocaloric diet your main purpose is to prevent as much catabolism as possible while losing fat and H20. 100mg's per day will definately work. You will not be gaining any muscle while hypocaloric. I think 200mg's per day will be overkill, AND cause water retenion as well. This will obviously vary due to conditions such as Carb intake, aromatization etc....since I READ your previous threads, I remember you stating that you have gyno problems due to "either progestrone or progestins" that was why I suggested fina at some point....when it is under control, or if you want to use Bromo with it. Since I HAVE used all these drugs at high doses, I was giving my opinion from pevious results.

YES, I have seen your posts and your pics. I complemented your back shot remember?

MR. BMJ



btw...if YOU do a search under "Mr. BMJ" you will see that I have been here for quite some time.

I appricate the help bro, sorry if I came on too strong. You totally had missed my question, but the 2nd time around you answered it correctly. Thanks again. btw you have good memory my friend, sorry if I didn't remember you.

More opinions please...I was thinking the same as Mr. BMJ..anyone else think different?

 

[gapster2000]

I'm not a vet, but I have used Test Prop for the past 3 years and it is my wepon of choice!!! If your taking an anti - e which you are, you could go up to 200mg's of Prop easily and not suffer any bloat.

I personally find when your cutting up you will not hold much water anyway

 

[MR. BMJ]

No offense was taken bro...I like reading your posts.

I was thinking about this, and after viewing your pics of when you were bulking, with your genetics, you may not get bloat at all. You were pretty tight looking while bulking and simultaneously using heavy androgenic drugs on a hypercaloric diet. You may be able to get away with 200mg's/day i'm not sure; however, I would probably save some money and just stick with 100mg/day since it will be just as effective in preserving muscle. I would hold water at 1400mg's of prop per week...but at 700mg's, not much is visible, especially if I am taking arimidex and nolvadex to cut down on aromatization retention.

It might come down to how sensitive you are to sodium, which in any case, you could up your potassium. Then of course, dandelion will come in handy along with your thermos (Clen/T3).

The Proviron you are taking will also keep you tight as well....

BMJ

 

[ivanushka]

MAN METAL GEAR IS A DICK HIS POSTES DON'T MAKE ANY SENSE....LOL J/K

WAZZUP METAL

MY OPINION IS 150MG IS THE MOST YOU SHOULD TAKE AND YOU ARE TAKING IT EVERY DAY RIGHT? THAT'S 1050MG OF PROP A WEEK YOU KNOW THAT PROP HAS THE MOST TEST PER MG JUST BECAUSE THE PROPINATE ESTER IS VERY LIGHT JUST MY TWO CENT SEE YOU SATARDAY

 

[Metal Gear]

Mr. MBJ: Thanks bro for the advice. You are right, I didn't hold much water last time because of L-dex but this time I'm switching to nolvadex at 40mg ed and proviron. I'll start with 100mg ed for couple fo weeks and see how things go and then maybe up the dose

Ivanushka: Hey! Eat a dick! j/k

 

[Metal Gear]

Mr. MBJ: Thanks bro for the advice. You are right, I didn't hold much water last time because of L-dex but this time I'm switching to nolvadex at 40mg ed and proviron. I'll start with 100mg ed for couple fo weeks and see how things go and then maybe up the dose

Ivanushka: Hey! Eat a dick! j/k

 

[ivanushka]

Na metal i'll be eating no dick i have my girlfriend for that and damn she got some cheek muscles

 

[kronk]

Yo Metal. You will notice a decent difference in water retention and bloat, going from 700mg of test to 1400, but nothing too bad.

I would suggest you bump your novla down, and hit some Arimidex at 1mg, or some Letrozal at 2.5mg, to control the bloat.

If you can't to that, try and eliminate a lot of sodium from your diet. (example, try drinking distilled water for a week on and a week off), lay off of salt, etc.

Really though, its not going to be uncontrolable.

 

[Judo Tom]

hey bro,

with winny 50mg proviron 50mg and nolva 40mg you will probably not experience any water bloat

im sure you know but that is a pretty high dose of nolva .. i know people who use 20mg ed while using 1g of test and experience no bloat.. i would also get my lipid profiles checked if you are gonna be on an extended cycle.. and i think this is a long one you have planned

you might want to up the proviron dose if you up the test dosage...

also you can DEFINATELY gain muscle while cutting while on that much juice if you have a good diet

good luck bro

 

[gilly6993]

Metal.....at your advanced level I would start out at 150 and see how it goes.....you can adjust up or down from there as you deem necessary.....

 

[Ulter]

I just checked my license and it says VET. So I will give you my opinion.

You'll do ok with prop at 200mgED as long as you use the proviron and nolva like you stated. But I really would recommend you consider letrozole for this. It is truely worth every penny.
You have done big cycles in the past and have not had a lot of problems with sides, like gyno. But the longer you do this and more you take over that time the more likely these sides are to pop up. You can not beat estrogen forever. One day it just overpowers you and there's nothing you can do about it. So there is no guarantee what kind of water you'll get from cycle to cycle as your resistance wears down. Use the let

 

[kronk]

But I really would recommend you consider letrozole for this.

Great minds think alike.

 

[MR. BMJ]

I think he was wanting to give his cholesterol levels a break though, that's why I sort of strayed away from Letrozole and Anastrolzole.....However, doesn't Aromasain NOT effect these levels???? I cannot remember off the top of my head. If they don't, then he "may" want to use this....what do you guys think???

Now that I look at it though, maybe he changed his mind because if so, then winny definately would not be in the cycle...lol.

Yep, i'd go with Letrozole by itself, or Anastrolzole and nolvadex, I doubt you'd get any water retention due to aromatization from these. Just control your carb and sodium intake, and you should be fine.

I've yet to use Let, but want to very badly....probably after my L-dex runs out. My tits, get sensitive easily, and L-dex by itself is not doing much...just ordered some Nolva though to take with. After that price of both...i'll probably be better off with Let in the future....sorry about the babble...lol.

BMJ

 

[Metal Gear]

1st of all: I'm taking a break from L-dex because I was on it for 4 months straight.

2nd: I'm taking Nolvadex at this high of dose becaues I have a bit of a gyno that I'm trying to get rid of, and it's working great so far. My proviron just arrived today so I have 4 months supply of 50mg ed!

3rd: I think I will up the dose to 150mg on the Test prop then if you guys think what I'm taking will keep the bloat down. I get Nolvadex for dirt cheap so 40mg is no problem for me. I will switch in about 3 months back to l-dex or leterozole this time.

4th: After the test prop for 7-8 weeks I'm switching to Enanthate so if I start off at 150mg ed that means my enanthate has to be around 1500mg then when I start or can I start it at 1g?

 

[CN1]

If your using winny I suggest just taking the prop eod, at 300mg a week, this will yield just as good results as ed injects, plus those everyday injects can get tiresome!!!

 

[Judo Tom]

1st of all: I'm taking a break from L-dex because I was on it for 4 months straight.

2nd: I'm taking Nolvadex at this high of dose becaues I have a bit of a gyno that I'm trying to get rid of, and it's working great so far. My proviron just arrived today so I have 4 months supply of 50mg ed!

3rd: I think I will up the dose to 150mg on the Test prop then if you guys think what I'm taking will keep the bloat down. I get Nolvadex for dirt cheap so 40mg is no problem for me. I will switch in about 3 months back to l-dex or leterozole this time.

4th: After the test prop for 7-8 weeks I'm switching to Enanthate so if I start off at 150mg ed that means my enanthate has to be around 1500mg then when I start or can I start it at 1g?

sounds like you got things together real well....

when you switch to enanthate you might want to run 1500 mg the first week and then go to 1g

there is a really good spread sheet out there somewhere that lets you chart blood levels based on the half life and dose...

what type of diet/training you going to follow

 

[Latamier]

With the proviron and nolva I think you'll be fine on 200mg if not more. Just out of curiosity, how much HGH are you going to be taking, and what will the duration of time be for it as well? When I do a cycle, I'll run mine at 6 I.U.s a day for 5 days then 1 off. I will run it for the whole cycle though, not just for the cutting cycle. Is this similar to what you have in mind, or are you just taking it to cut?

 

[Quadsweep]

I would think 100mgs a day would be fine but I would not go over 150mgs a day. What level do you compete at? You are looking solid!

Quad

 

[Metal Gear]

Quadsweep: Thanks bro. I haven't competed yet, getting ready to do it pretty soon. Just a few more months and I'll be happy!

Latamier: 6iu ed/ 5 on 2 off Serostim for 2 months during cutting. I might extend it a cople of more kits into the bulking.

Judo Tom: my diet and training is called : Eat like a horse, Train like a fucken maniac... I don't diet and I dont' fuck around with light weights.

I'll have my cycle posted on Monday so make sure you guys check it out. I have pretty much palnned a rough draft this July of this year. Staright with no breaks!

 

[galaxy]

You seem to have everything down. I especially like the training and diet routine! I had to adjust my diet though, due to my hdl only being 16 after 3 months off. Taking mega doses of niacin and that shit had me on fire tonite. Nice feeling though. Still wish I could eat everything it sight. I still will pretty much. Going to skip the stimulants like ephedra and caffeine and sodium heavy foods except for pizza. Adding fish twice a week and steak only once. Chicken the other nights.......galaxy