Var only worth it?

[maxspeed96ct]

Ive been outof the juice game for almost 2 years. (still training just natty.)
Ive done some short 10-12 week test and sust cycles prior, nothing crazy
I realy have the itch again, and Im realy not happy with my performance at the gym lately, I need a little extra boost.

But right now I cant deal with injectables .

The reason Id like var over other is My body fat is around 10%.
i dont want anything that will bloat me up.

-I was wondering if it would be worth doing a short 12-15wk var only cycle (50mg pr/day) to give me some satisfation untill I can get back into some injectables.

-Or should I not bother and stay natty untill I can inject

 

[bblazer]

That is way too long to be on Var - or any oral for that matter.

Keep the dosage the same, but run it for 6-8 weeks.

You should also be doing a complete PCT after this. What do you have planned?

B-

 

[hesnobradpitt]

If your goals are to have more strength in the gym id say no wait and hit up a training program designed for strength .

If you want to harden up maybe add a bit then Var will do that , but from my use of it i would not run it alone i would run tbol .

Short 12 to 14 wk ???????? thats to long 4 to 6 at the most with liv supps .



Brad.

 

[silent says]

I like BBlazer's idea.
Silent

 

[maxspeed96ct]

That is way too long to be on Var - or any oral for that matter.

Keep the dosage the same, but run it for 6-8 weeks.

You should also be doing a complete PCT after this. What do you have planned?

B-

For PCT Ive always had good luck with aromasin, and about 1500iu's of hcg speard out on 2-3 weeks.


Im not realy looking for massive strenght, just looking for some size and to harden up alittle .

I really need a boost, plus for work I do hard labor construction.
But I have to many obsticles right now to run injectables.

 

[Snake-89]

never use any anabolic steroid without Testosterone.

 

[2evil]

never use any anabolic steroid without Testosterone.

Test makes everything better, that's for sure! But short (4-6 weeks MAX) oral cycles have their place...

 

[kru8887]

Tbol would give you more size then var without bloat or water weight of dbol. I've heard people dropping waist sizes on tbol also. Var will help cut some belly fat and def get strength increases and hardening. I'm pretty sure most gains are sustainable with either compounds. Just an opinion...

 

[maxspeed96ct]

Tbol would give you more size then var without bloat or water weight of dbol. I've heard people dropping waist sizes on tbol also. Var will help cut some belly fat and def get strength increases and hardening. I'm pretty sure most gains are sustainable with either compounds. Just an opinion...

I was thinking about T-bol as well. It s alitte cheaper the var too.
what would be a good dose to run it alone for around 5-8 weeks?

Or maybe alittle var + t-bol?

Also thought primo but its pricey and im not sure how it is on its own.

 

[bblazer]

I was thinking about T-bol as well. It s alitte cheaper the var too.
what would be a good dose to run it alone for around 5-8 weeks?

Or maybe alittle var + t-bol?

Also thought primo but its pricey and im not sure how it is on its own.

NEVER run 2 orals together!

Most AAS orals are meant to survive their first pass through the liver. But in doing so, they are hard on it. Running both at the same time, or without sufficient time off is like putting your liver in some medieval torture device.

Primo is a very good AAS. Low - if any - sides and it gives good results. However it is an injectable, requires some higher doses, and is expensive.

B-

 

[SpyWizard]

6-8.. at 6 weeks get a blood test, if you have no elevations, then continue.. but really going that long you are asking for trouble..

 

[d_rson]

I'd do tbol over var just on price alone, though I am myself going to try var here soon. And I'd do a couple short tbol cycles personally.

4 weeks tbol, 4 weeks sustain alpha, repeat.

I've found that tbol loses it's ooph at 4 weeks, but is not very suppressive at that point, so sustain alpha seems to bring me back quickly. I also seem to continue to grow a couple weeks into PCT after tbol. It's pretty cool.

I'd try it out.

 

[maxspeed96ct]

I'd do tbol over var just on price alone, though I am myself going to try var here soon. And I'd do a couple short tbol cycles personally.

4 weeks tbol, 4 weeks sustain alpha, repeat.

I've found that tbol loses it's ooph at 4 weeks, but is not very suppressive at that point, so sustain alpha seems to bring me back quickly. I also seem to continue to grow a couple weeks into PCT after tbol. It's pretty cool.

I'd try it out.

Sounds good.

Maybe it would be better to play it safe and run 4 weeks of tbol, PCT, stay off for 3-4 weeks and then start again. And get some blood work inbetween.

I think by next fall/winter I'll be settled into my new living situtaion and ill be able to run some injectables.

I just need something to give me a small boost untill then!

 

[kru8887]

I would say 60mg of tbol is a very good dose. At a lower dose, from what I've seen, takes longer to see results. You may think its not working because there are few to no sides like where dbol you see the bloat ect. . I wouldnt run 2 orals together. 50mg of anavar is a good dose also. Ive heard of some people running var a little longer because its not as toxic as dbol, winstrol, etc. Either one, money considering, will jump your strength and appearance. Keep us updated with pics and numbers as you go. GOOD LUCK!

 

[c12h16n2]

I just got done doing a 12 week Anavar only cycle. It was for cutting and I lost 15lbs fat and actually put on 3lbs of muscle which was bonus! At week 12, I was still going strong and could have run var for 4 more weeks which is not unheard of but is somehow frowned upon. My dose was 60mg ed (20mg x 3 a day) and I havent noticed any side effects such as libido loss, mood swings, gyno, acne, hairloss or anything else. Right now I'm doing PCT with Nolva only and waiting on Testosterone Recovery Stack which I'll run with Nolva for 2 more weeks. In the meantime, I've started another 12 week fatloss thing, this time all natural, since I'm still recovering from my last cycle and utilizing the "time off = time on" theory.

My next anavar cycle will consist of 90mg ed (30mg x 3) for 8-10 weeks followed by similar pct I'm doing now. I might also run Primo @ 120mg ed for 12 weeks but I wont stack them together. I hear it's better to stack em with test but I'm not experienced enough to inject yet...

 

[bblazer]

I just got done doing a 12 week Anavar only cycle. It was for cutting and I lost 15lbs fat and actually put on 3lbs of muscle which was bonus! At week 12, I was still going strong and could have run var for 4 more weeks which is not unheard of but is somehow frowned upon. My dose was 60mg ed (20mg x 3 a day) and I havent noticed any side effects such as libido loss, mood swings, gyno, acne, hairloss or anything else. Right now I'm doing PCT with Nolva only and waiting on Testosterone Recovery Stack which I'll run with Nolva for 2 more weeks. In the meantime, I've started another 12 week fatloss thing, this time all natural, since I'm still recovering from my last cycle and utilizing the "time off = time on" theory.

My next anavar cycle will consist of 90mg ed (30mg x 3) for 8-10 weeks followed by similar pct I'm doing now. I might also run Primo @ 120mg ed for 12 weeks but I wont stack them together. I hear it's better to stack em with test but I'm not experienced enough to inject yet...

Did you check with your liver and your lipids when you began thinking of this one?

B-

 

[c12h16n2]

bblazer: no i have not but i should have. It was my 1st cycle with an aas so I was not prepared. My next cycle with var or primo, I'll definintely do bloodwork, before and after... I'm pretty sure my levels are all sorts of f'ed up, hence I'm staying all natural for the next 90 days while I recover from the abuse.

 

[hesnobradpitt]

bblazer: no i have not but i should have. It was my 1st cycle with an aas so I was not prepared. My next cycle with var or primo, I'll definintely do bloodwork, before and after... I'm pretty sure my levels are all sorts of f'ed up, hence I'm staying all natural for the next 90 days while I recover from the abuse.

I did a 10wk by 100mg Ed var and it took 6 months for my lipids to recover doc freaked put me on colesterol drugs until it lowered , but at 4 wks it stays with in the normal range !!!!



Brad .

 

[c12h16n2]

Wow, 6 months huh.. I should definitely have bloodwork done after this 12 week all natural thing then, before starting another var or a new primo cycle, just to make sure everything is ok.

Remember the guy from supersize me, at the end of the show, his cholestorol levels were very bad and even the doc said he didnt think he'd ever recover fully... But eventually he did...

Everyone who worries too much about the liver and lipid levels, etc... Think about all the ppl that drink kegs of alcohol, eat unhealthy all their lives and it STILL takes decades for all that to take it's toll, so I figure, so long as we give our bodies enough time to recover from different levels of abuse and keep our diets clean, we'll be alright.

I did a 10wk by 100mg Ed var and it took 6 months for my lipids to recover doc freaked put me on colesterol drugs until it lowered , but at 4 wks it stays with in the normal range !!!!



Brad .

 

[bblazer]

Wow, 6 months huh.. I should definitely have bloodwork done after this 12 week all natural thing then, before starting another var or a new primo cycle, just to make sure everything is ok.

Remember the guy from supersize me, at the end of the show, his cholestorol levels were very bad and even the doc said he didnt think he'd ever recover fully... But eventually he did...

Everyone who worries too much about the liver and lipid levels, etc... Think about all the ppl that drink kegs of alcohol, eat unhealthy all their lives and it STILL takes decades for all that to take it's toll, so I figure, so long as we give our bodies enough time to recover from different levels of abuse and keep our diets clean, we'll be alright.

That's exactly what I used to think.

Now I am infertile, and my pituitary gland does not and will never function again. I am on TRT for life. Let me tell you that after a wile, shooting test all the time and HCG to keep some size to my balls really really sucks.

B-

 

[c12h16n2]

Man, that's really unfortunate... I'm new to aas so maybe I'm being naive... If you had to do it over, what would you do different?

That's exactly what I used to think.

Now I am infertile, and my pituitary gland does not and will never function again. I am on TRT for life. Let me tell you that after a wile, shooting test all the time and HCG to keep some size to my balls really really sucks.

B-

 

[bblazer]

Man, that's really unfortunate... I'm new to aas so maybe I'm being naive... If you had to do it over, what would you do different?

A couple of things.

First, I would not have the "IF I just do this I am indestructible..." attitude. I think that is what harmed me the most. I also would have given myself 2-3 years more to try and reach my non-aas potential. Also, bloodwork before, after the cycle and then after what I thought PCT was. I really cringe when I hear on here people saying "I think I am fully recovered..." when they have no idea without at least getting a blood workup.

I also should have realized I wasn't going to be the next Ed Coan. I probably would have gone as far as I did in PLing, but I wouldn't have ended up taking as much juice as I did.

B-

 

[ALIN]

Ive been outof the juice game for almost 2 years. (still training just natty.)
Ive done some short 10-12 week test and sust cycles prior, nothing crazy
I realy have the itch again, and Im realy not happy with my performance at the gym lately, I need a little extra boost.

But right now I cant deal with injectables .

The reason Id like var over other is My body fat is around 10%.
i dont want anything that will bloat me up.

-I was wondering if it would be worth doing a short 12-15wk var only cycle (50mg pr/day) to give me some satisfation untill I can get back into some injectables.

-Or should I not bother and stay natty untill I can inject

I love ANAVAR. Safe,,effective..with little to no side effects.
10-12 weeks 40-60mg daily works well for alot of men.

 

[usudno]

I'm on 40mg/ed of var and 40mg/ed of tbol. Working great as of right now. I'm on a lean bulking diet (no carbs in my last two meals.. Load up on em before my 4:00 workout. Getting 1.25-1.5g of protien per lb of weight and I'm staying lean. So far up 6lbs in right at two weeks... 15 days to be exact. Plan on running for 6 weeks and see how i feel (if nuts start shrinking) If i feel fine no bad sides i may extend to 8 weeks. I'm also thinking about possibly upping to 50/50 or 60/60 or 60/40 with tbol being the 60. PCT is going to be nolva 40/40/20/20.

 

[maxspeed96ct]

man the beach weather is near and I havent done anything yet, Im almost debating on running some test for good ol times.

But Im just affraid my ol-lady is gona find out and kill me. (it was easy when I was living alone ) lol


I like the price of the tbol and might give a 4wk run see how i do.

 

[wootoom]

I've done Var for 10 weeks...Not bad....with proper supps...yes it is worth it i have gained 12lbs LBM off 60mg/ed

 

[RADAR]

I did a 10wk by 100mg Ed var and it took 6 months for my lipids to recover doc freaked put me on colesterol drugs until it lowered , but at 4 wks it stays with in the normal range !!!!



Brad .

Owwww at 100mg


You can run it short and heavy or you can run it long and light but you can't do both,

 

[RADAR]

man the beach weather is near and I havent done anything yet, Im almost debating on running some test for good ol times.

But Im just affraid my ol-lady is gona find out and kill me. (it was easy when I was living alone ) lol


I like the price of the tbol and might give a 4wk run see how i do.

Run the test,once your lady finds out you're horney as a rabbit she will forgive you.