I agree, Vanadyl is crap. It made me more veiny than I already am, which I don't need. I thought it was a waste of the $15 I spent. ALA is good though. I take it with my creatine like most do, and I'd like to hope it's aiding in the shuttle process of glutamine, carbs, and creatine to my muscle cells. Anything that can release some insulin for me is good in my book, considering it's the most anabolic hormone in our bodies!