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using hushmail does it hide your IP addy?

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wondering if using this encry. emails if they really hide your private info or is it better to use regular email addy using anony. to hide the ip addy etc...?
 
All credible email services will hide your ip from the other users you send it to, now if you are talking about hiding it from cops then that's another story.

There is no such thing as a secure email, i've said that a billion times ... they are just slower working email programs.

-sk
 
The interesting thing with cryptographically signed email, nonrepudiation. In other words, if your pgp ckey an be linked to you, it's mathematically proven you typed the email.
 
sk* said:
All credible email services will hide your ip from the other users you send it to, now if you are talking about hiding it from cops then that's another story.
-sk

Um, I don't think so. Most "credible" MTA's will relay the source IP of the original sender and all the relays in between.
 
thx9000 said:


Um, I don't think so. Most "credible" MTA's will relay the source IP of the original sender and all the relays in between.

Prove it. I can send you an email and you tell me my ip, bet you can't.

-sk
 
Where are you going to send it from? Hushmail, or some other anon web based mail service? Or will it be from your school's Exchange/Sendmail/Qmail environment. If the latter, then I will give you the IP of the host you sent the mail from.

I'm not trying to say that it's not very easy to send mail w/o your IP being revealed to the recipient I'm just saying that most enterprise MTA's intentionally provide this information to recipients.
 
thx9000 said:
Where are you going to send it from? Hushmail, or some other anon web based mail service? Or will it be from your school's Exchange/Sendmail/Qmail environment. If the latter, then I will give you the IP of the host you sent the mail from.

I'm not trying to say that it's not very easy to send mail w/o your IP being revealed to the recipient I'm just saying that most enterprise MTA's intentionally provide this information to recipients.

You can give the ip of my isp by just plugging my hostname to a lookup, big deal ... you can't find my individual ip though ... NO WAY, NO HOW.

I can send you that email from any credible site you want me to send it to you from (yahoo, hotmail, etc ... well if you call those credible, lol).

Anyway, point is, they won't disclose someone's ip.

Now, I can hide it from cops too (unless they really go looking for it) but I will have to try, you can't do this via regular email.

-sk
 
Also, not saying it's impossible to find someone's ip that emailed you ... just mean to say no legal way of doing it.

-sk
 
sk* said:

you can't find my individual ip though ... NO WAY, NO HOW.

I can send you that email from any credible site you want me to send it to you from (yahoo, hotmail, etc ... well if you call those credible, lol).
-sk

No problem. Go to hotmail and send me email at [email protected].

I will give you the IP of your originating PC or, if your college/ISP uses a NAT (ie: if you are in private non-routable space), then I can give you the NAT address that is presented to the Internet. Be fair, don't proxy through an anon service, and dont launch a Web browser from someone else's PC/Server/etc...
 
thx9000 said:


No problem. Go to hotmail and send me email at [email protected].

I will give you the IP of your originating PC or, if your college/ISP uses a NAT (ie: if you are in private non-routable space), then I can give you the NAT address that is presented to the Internet. Be fair, don't proxy through an anon service, and dont launch a Web browser from someone else's PC/Server/etc...

OK, I emailed you. Didn't use a proxy.

-sk
 
sk* said:


OK, I emailed you. Didn't use a proxy.

-sk

Did you email from hotmail... if so... he has got ya.

Sk - email headers have the source IP address of the computer that sent it... this is still the case even with hotmail and most webmail services unless you purposley hide it by going through anonymous proxies - etc.

There are way to remain anonymous... but most people don't take the time.
 
Counter if you want more security

first use an anonymous service like www.anonymizer.com before opening your "secure email program" this will shield your ip somewhat.

second open notepad (NOT WORD) and type your message

third use PGP to encrypt the message and then place in your email program

E- Mail it to a remailer (maybe two if your really paranoid)

The person on the other end will also need PGP to decrypt the message

close all open programs (browsers, email, notepad)

Use a program like Window Washer to clear all memory and cache areas (it it possible to see whats on your clipboard thru a browser add in). anonymizer.com has a test to show what a good programmer (or snoop) can find out about you

This will not give complete protection. (but unless an agency with three letters wants to find you most people would give up so its pretty good )

If you need more info give me an email

:wodin:
 
Re: Counter if you want more security

Damn, thats too much work to send an email :D



indyjones said:
first use an anonymous service like www.anonymizer.com before opening your "secure email program" this will shield your ip somewhat.

second open notepad (NOT WORD) and type your message

third use PGP to encrypt the message and then place in your email program

E- Mail it to a remailer (maybe two if your really paranoid)

The person on the other end will also need PGP to decrypt the message

close all open programs (browsers, email, notepad)

Use a program like Window Washer to clear all memory and cache areas (it it possible to see whats on your clipboard thru a browser add in). anonymizer.com has a test to show what a good programmer (or snoop) can find out about you

This will not give complete protection. (but unless an agency with three letters wants to find you most people would give up so its pretty good )

If you need more info give me an email

:wodin:
 
jh1 said:


Did you email from hotmail... if so... he has got ya.

Sk - email headers have the source IP address of the computer that sent it... this is still the case even with hotmail and most webmail services unless you purposley hide it by going through anonymous proxies - etc.

There are way to remain anonymous... but most people don't take the time.

Well I guess that'll teach me. Fucking hotmail. Never gonna send emails without proxies again. I was gonna send you (thx9000) an email asking how, but yea the headers ... :mad:

Anyway, i'll shoot you an email back.

Fucking years of programming and I didn't think that they were stupid enough to leave the ip, mac, etc in the headers.

-sk
 
canuck4

your right. 99% of the time i don't go thru all of the steps.

but its good to what to do ( if you want to)
 
Canuck4 said:
Yes, Hushmail dont include your IP addy with email like Ziplip started to do.

BTW, why did Ziplip drastically change their policy regarding IP addresses? I'm just curious as to what compelled them to change their policies?
 
Counter if you want more security (post #14)

Counter if you want more security (post #14)

first use an anonymous service like www.anonymizer.com before opening your "secure email program" this will shield your ip somewhat.
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I HAD A MISTAKE HERE. THE FREE ANONYMIZER SERVICE WON'T WORK. BUT IF YOU HAVE AN ACCOUNT WITH THEM AND USE THE SECURE TUNNEL IT WILL SHIELD YOUR IP.
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second open notepad (NOT WORD) and type your message

third use PGP to encrypt the message and then place in your email program

E- Mail it to a remailer (maybe two if your really paranoid)

The person on the other end will also need PGP to decrypt the message

close all open programs (browsers, email, notepad)

Use a program like Window Washer to clear all memory and cache areas (it it possible to see whats on your clipboard thru a browser add in). anonymizer.com has a test to show what a good programmer (or snoop) can find out about you

This will not give complete protection. (but unless an agency with three letters wants to find you most people would give up so its pretty good
 
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