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using gear whilst doing martial arts
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absolute hardgainer
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LOL @ bigkraut...
I really dunno on this one, Bruce Lee used gear, he died young too...
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I really dunno on this one, Bruce Lee used gear, he died young too...
hardgainer (hmmm?)
horsePOWER
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wouldnt gear kinda hinder your stretching and flexability?
If you an artist you would not post such a stupid thread. If you aspire greatness in an art the shortcut will never be the way as, many know, the art is of self and not of short cuts.
So, you can use all the shit you want but you will not achieve mastery of anything untill you go beyond trying to be better than everybody else through anything, including steroids.
Examples required? Ghandi, Bhodidhama, Jet Li, Master Tank....what more do you want?
So, you can use all the shit you want but you will not achieve mastery of anything untill you go beyond trying to be better than everybody else through anything, including steroids.
Examples required? Ghandi, Bhodidhama, Jet Li, Master Tank....what more do you want?
Super Girl 22
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Superbabe said:
good answer! use your head daniel-son
alright grasshoppers, I agree.The truely great martial artists would not poison their systems with the likes of AAS, how ever there are a shit load of athletes out there practicing sports such as kickboxing etc that are using AAS.
My question was directed at any of those out there that are into the fighting sports, to find out what gear they may use.
Superbabe, I don't think my thread was that stupid????
I only used Deca for a short period of time as I found that I was getting to bloated to train properly(as well as getting gyno from it).I sloshed everytime I kicked from the amount of water I was holding.
I have found that the winny has helped dramatically with the strength and speed of my technique.
any one else out there got a suggestion?
My question was directed at any of those out there that are into the fighting sports, to find out what gear they may use.
Superbabe, I don't think my thread was that stupid????
I only used Deca for a short period of time as I found that I was getting to bloated to train properly(as well as getting gyno from it).I sloshed everytime I kicked from the amount of water I was holding.
I have found that the winny has helped dramatically with the strength and speed of my technique.
any one else out there got a suggestion?
Thaibox
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Superbabe, his post wasn't stupid. I've trained in the arts since age 7, and believe that I have a very virtuous attitude with respect to them. But, I now am training in NHB competition and use gear. I began using deca because my knee is a peice of shit. I am a bodybuilder as well as a fighter, and all the cardio I do taxes on my lean mass greatly. What is wrong with taking mild cycles to progress in multiple sports that would not be possible without?
For those of you who think that using juice somehow contaminates your spirit, as you are drinking that beer, think about it objectively and you will probably reconsider.
Dirty, to respond to your question, the cycle that most helped my training was a cycle with winny in it. It keeps my strength and aggression up, and it may just be a placebo effect, but it seems to increase my stamina a little as well.
For those of you who think that using juice somehow contaminates your spirit, as you are drinking that beer, think about it objectively and you will probably reconsider.
Dirty, to respond to your question, the cycle that most helped my training was a cycle with winny in it. It keeps my strength and aggression up, and it may just be a placebo effect, but it seems to increase my stamina a little as well.
Thaibox
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Oh, and by the way, Bruce Lee(whom I respect and honor greatly) did in fact use juice and recreational drugs as well. Linda and Dan Inosanto attributed his noticable weight loss and health problems to the use of drugs(not juice). Also, for those who said the masters did not juice, (Jet Li is not a master) did they live and fight in contemporary society? If they did, would they have used?
Anyway, thats not what dirty asked...Good luck with your training dirty
Anyway, thats not what dirty asked...Good luck with your training dirty
LeviathanX
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As a martial artist who has been training in traditional Tang Soo Do Moo Duk Kwan since age 5 (I'm now 21), I would suggest avoiding steriods.
Martial arts teaches you to respect your body, and steriods is a means of destroying your body in the long-run. Sure, if you are a competitor it may give you a physical edge as a young and healthy athlete, but the long-term repercusions of using gear outweight its usefulness.
Remember, martial arts is 80% mental, and 20% physical. If you focus more on staying in control in a match, and learning to read your opponent, you will win more than you ever will with some added steriods.
On a side note, although Bruce Lee did a lot to bring martial arts into the public eye, he is by far not the ideal representative of the martial arts. In fact, he essentially betrayed his master, Yip Man, by leaving him and starting his own martial art. Honor is very important in the martial arts, and you should always respect those that have taught you and carry on their legacy. That doesn't mean you have to be stagnant in your growth in the martial arts, but it means you should continue to train under your original master as long as you can. In fact, Bruce Lee left Yip Man relatively early in his training.
He was also concerned with fame more than personal growth. The true martial artist seeks only personal growth, but I've yet to find someone (aside from monks) that has been able to achieve this. Still, I've met many masters that are better role models than Bruce Lee ever was.
Martial arts teaches you to respect your body, and steriods is a means of destroying your body in the long-run. Sure, if you are a competitor it may give you a physical edge as a young and healthy athlete, but the long-term repercusions of using gear outweight its usefulness.
Remember, martial arts is 80% mental, and 20% physical. If you focus more on staying in control in a match, and learning to read your opponent, you will win more than you ever will with some added steriods.
On a side note, although Bruce Lee did a lot to bring martial arts into the public eye, he is by far not the ideal representative of the martial arts. In fact, he essentially betrayed his master, Yip Man, by leaving him and starting his own martial art. Honor is very important in the martial arts, and you should always respect those that have taught you and carry on their legacy. That doesn't mean you have to be stagnant in your growth in the martial arts, but it means you should continue to train under your original master as long as you can. In fact, Bruce Lee left Yip Man relatively early in his training.
He was also concerned with fame more than personal growth. The true martial artist seeks only personal growth, but I've yet to find someone (aside from monks) that has been able to achieve this. Still, I've met many masters that are better role models than Bruce Lee ever was.
Bar Room Hero
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An effective AS for martial artists would be anavar. It increases strength and hardness while not putting on much mass. It is expensive though. Winstrol would also be good. Stop bashing the guy for asking about this. To be competetive in the fighting sports at the top level, AS are almost expected. Despite what you've heard, being strong is a big help in martial arts or any competetive sport. Technique can only take you so far. As long as the AS doesn't affect your flexibility, it would be a good thing.
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I disagree with you guys. i think that anabolics do have a place in these sports. If you are into a style that is mostly for show, then don't worry about it. I do mixed martial arts which includes kickboxing, Judo, Iki Jitsu, and various other techniques. If 2 guys skilss are equal, the bigger, stronger man usually wins. The first time I grappled with the instructor I lasted 2 minutes, which is about 3 times longer than most new comers last. I'm 5'10" 235lbs and our instructor is 5'10" 162lbs. gear definately has it's place in competitive fighting. You can't tell me that Coleman, Shamrock, Belfort and various other guys don't use. If you want to practice your "art" for looks then go ahead but don't bash competitve fighters that juice.
I am a professional fighter and I don't wish to argue with the "Martial Artists" who seem to think they know wether or not those who train in the arts use AAS or not. BUT...Most NHB fighters DO use Anabolics, Heavyweights to the 155lb class.
Anavar/Winstrol is very popular. GH also
I wrestled in college and some on my team used and some didn't. Mostly in the off season though
If you like watching the UFC, I would ESTIMATE at least 80% have used at one time during their careers. YES i train with these guys and know what I'm talking about.
Take care
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Anavar/Winstrol is very popular. GH also
I wrestled in college and some on my team used and some didn't. Mostly in the off season though
If you like watching the UFC, I would ESTIMATE at least 80% have used at one time during their careers. YES i train with these guys and know what I'm talking about.
Take care
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Happyastro
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OK.
Thaibox is correct the use of steriods is not harmful to the spirit.
Any medical specialist who is in the area of hormone theraphy will tell you that careful steriod use is no more dangerous than using the pill; in fact it is very similar.
With the demands of conditioning AND sparring AND weight training , steriods are a BIG help.
In fact I recommend Deca in any cycle as it is great for training pains and joint relieve.
I have come close to my genetic potential (natural) in terms of size, and I do not wish to get any bigger, my focus is on maintenance and recovery after getting bashed around hehehe. (DECA!!!)
As for being "natural" it is a very subjective and relative term; Hmm how many of you take multi-vitamins? and amino-acids or take B12 injections or take Aspirin? Work out using modern machines? Well if you do, you cannot be "natural".
Using body enhancers is only the next step up in the technological process.
Remember your fighting skills is like a house, the foundation is ALWAYS the will and the mind, the steriods are just useful extensions to an already remarkable house.
Thaibox is correct the use of steriods is not harmful to the spirit.
Any medical specialist who is in the area of hormone theraphy will tell you that careful steriod use is no more dangerous than using the pill; in fact it is very similar.
With the demands of conditioning AND sparring AND weight training , steriods are a BIG help.
In fact I recommend Deca in any cycle as it is great for training pains and joint relieve.
I have come close to my genetic potential (natural) in terms of size, and I do not wish to get any bigger, my focus is on maintenance and recovery after getting bashed around hehehe. (DECA!!!)
As for being "natural" it is a very subjective and relative term; Hmm how many of you take multi-vitamins? and amino-acids or take B12 injections or take Aspirin? Work out using modern machines? Well if you do, you cannot be "natural".
Using body enhancers is only the next step up in the technological process.
Remember your fighting skills is like a house, the foundation is ALWAYS the will and the mind, the steriods are just useful extensions to an already remarkable house.
Wolverine_K1
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"Martial arts teaches you to respect your body"
Clashing shins, kicking bags like concrete & kicking those fake ass boards & concrete blocks is not respecting your body.
"and steriods is a means of destroying your body in the long-run."
Not really, Why do doctors prescribe it?
"Sure, if you are a competitor it may give you a physical edge as a young and healthy athlete, but the long-term repercusions of using gear outweight its usefulness".
Again not really, if you are careful & take care of yourself you will be fine.
"Remember, martial arts is 80% mental, and 20% physical. If you focus more on staying in control in a match, and learning to read your opponent, you will win more than you ever will with some added steriods".
Not really if you are good at concentrating & hit like a girl or are slow you will be destroyed. In real fighting that is, not those tip tap karate comps. How many fights have you had?????
"On a side note, although Bruce Lee did a lot to bring martial arts into the public eye, he is by far not the ideal representative of the martial arts. In fact, he essentially betrayed his master, Yip Man, by leaving him and starting his own martial art."
How is that betrayal? He discovered as is the case with 99% of martial arts they are impracticle. So he did the right thing to imporve his self.
"Honor is very important in the martial arts, and you should always respect those that have taught you and carry on their legacy. That doesn't mean you have to be stagnant in your growth in the martial arts, but it means you should continue to train under your original master as long as you can. In fact, Bruce Lee left Yip Man relatively early in his training. "
Not true, if he is teaching you garbage get the hell out!
Honour is not important, everybody does it so they can kick ass.
"He was also concerned with fame more than personal growth. The true martial artist seeks only personal growth, but I've yet to find someone (aside from monks) that has been able to achieve this. Still, I've met many masters that are better role models than Bruce Lee ever was."
Under your definition i may not be a true martial artist but i know i can kick the crap out of the majority of them!
Clashing shins, kicking bags like concrete & kicking those fake ass boards & concrete blocks is not respecting your body.
"and steriods is a means of destroying your body in the long-run."
Not really, Why do doctors prescribe it?
"Sure, if you are a competitor it may give you a physical edge as a young and healthy athlete, but the long-term repercusions of using gear outweight its usefulness".
Again not really, if you are careful & take care of yourself you will be fine.
"Remember, martial arts is 80% mental, and 20% physical. If you focus more on staying in control in a match, and learning to read your opponent, you will win more than you ever will with some added steriods".
Not really if you are good at concentrating & hit like a girl or are slow you will be destroyed. In real fighting that is, not those tip tap karate comps. How many fights have you had?????
"On a side note, although Bruce Lee did a lot to bring martial arts into the public eye, he is by far not the ideal representative of the martial arts. In fact, he essentially betrayed his master, Yip Man, by leaving him and starting his own martial art."
How is that betrayal? He discovered as is the case with 99% of martial arts they are impracticle. So he did the right thing to imporve his self.
"Honor is very important in the martial arts, and you should always respect those that have taught you and carry on their legacy. That doesn't mean you have to be stagnant in your growth in the martial arts, but it means you should continue to train under your original master as long as you can. In fact, Bruce Lee left Yip Man relatively early in his training. "
Not true, if he is teaching you garbage get the hell out!
Honour is not important, everybody does it so they can kick ass.
"He was also concerned with fame more than personal growth. The true martial artist seeks only personal growth, but I've yet to find someone (aside from monks) that has been able to achieve this. Still, I've met many masters that are better role models than Bruce Lee ever was."
Under your definition i may not be a true martial artist but i know i can kick the crap out of the majority of them!
Bar Room Hero
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bullett said:
What the hell?
