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USA PATRIOT ACT and how it can apply to you...

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Oh, I see!

I guess talking about an illegal substance and recommending usage is somehow, holier than thou in the realm of illegal chems as long as it's steriods.

Steroids is ok while all others is not and even talking about these illegal steroids must be legally ok with the government as we can tell you wouldn't do or say anything the government doesn't advocate?

Would you, user?

There are people who fought and died for your right to talk about and use illegal drugs and I can't believe you sick fucks are allowed to live another day!
 
This guy should be killed, too!

Oh well, he already has one win under his belt, too! But he should shut up because people have died. BAHA!

High-tech activist takes on war against terrorism
Matthew Fordahl
Associated Press

Published Feb. 10, 2003 TECH10

As a millionaire high-tech entrepreneur and activist, John Gilmore ought to be jetting off to board meetings in New York, battling officials in Washington, D.C., or visiting his family in Florida.

Instead, he's grounded in Northern California, unwilling to fly because he believes the requirement to show identification before boarding a domestic flight violates his constitutional rights.

On its surface, a suit he's filed against Attorney General John Ashcroft and other federal officials seems unwinnable and frivolous. After all, there's that war against terror. Doesn't the hassle of showing an ID seem a small price for security at 35,000 feet?

But Gilmore, who made a fortune at server maker Sun Microsystems, sees Orwellian consequences in ID checks: Information culled from them can be stored in massive databases and mined to track innocent people.


John Gilmore

Marcio Jose Sanchez
Associated Press
Gilmore has launched other seemingly unwinnable crusades against restrictions on civil liberties in cyberspace, government control of cryptography and draconian corporate copy protection schemes.

As an entrepreneur and the co-founder of Cygnus Solutions, he even proved that free software can be profitable despite Microsoft Corporation's monopoly. Cygnus, which was sold to Red Hat Inc. for $674 million in stock in 2000, made money by selling services that supported free and open-source software.

It's perhaps too easy to dismiss Gilmore, a soft-spoken 47-year-old with a long beard and receding hairline. At a recent hearing in which a judge heard the government's motions to dismiss his ID suit, he donned a suit but wore sandals and Dr. Seuss-themed socks.

'Astonishingly stubborn'

But friends and opponents said it would be a mistake to underestimate Gilmore. Though the Justice Department calls his latest suit baseless, Gilmore has the technical training and the checkbook to put up a prolonged fight.

"He can be astonishingly stubborn," said John Perry Barlow, a former Grateful Dead lyricist who founded the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a cyberspace civil liberties group, with Gilmore in 1990. "Even though he will dig in to an extent that may not be tactically or strategically wise, he generally doesn't dig in unless he's right on the principle of it."

Gilmore's public battles focus on the supremacy of individual rights. He also opposes laws against drug use. But he's most frequently quoted describing the risks technology poses to liberty.

"People who build this technology have the responsibility to work to make sure society uses it for good things not for bad things, and we leave a better society to our descendants," Gilmore said. "My advocacy is informed by my technical expertise. I know what these systems are capable of."

Born in 1955 to a middle-class family that moved to Alabama while he was in high school, Gilmore was a math and science buff. He took a class on computers and gained access to an IBM 1401, the Model T of the computer business.

After learning the machine inside and out by reading its thick manuals, he jumped into the high-tech industry.

In 1982, he interviewed with Bill Gates at Microsoft, then a small Seattle company, for a job involving a version of the Unix operating system.

"I didn't see him as megalomaniac in training," Gilmore recalled. "He was just a good technical guy and a good businessman."

While researching the Microsoft job, he met some Stanford professors who were founding a company called Sun Microsystems. He ended up becoming Sun's fifth employee.

Individual rights

Gilmore's political development grew with his technical skills. He came of age during the Nixon administration and considered himself a liberal until he sent away for a free subscription to The Freeman, a publication of the Foundation for Economic Education.

"It turned out I agreed with them on most of it," he said. "That was how I found my political identity as a Libertarian. I actually cared more about the rights of individuals than the rights of collective society."

In the late 1980s, Gilmore decided that individual rights were being infringed as technology grew faster than law enforcement could keep up. Police who were confused about computers started investigating programmers engaged in behavior that lawmakers hadn't even contemplated.

Barlow, who was forming the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) with ex-Lotus chief Mitch Kapor and Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak, got an e-mail from Gilmore offering to write a $100,000 check.

The EFF, an ACLU for the technologically savvy, was born.

"John made the connection that this stuff has First Amendment significance, law enforcement significance and whatever balances we strike as we adapt this new technology will be the balances we live with in the future," said Mike Godwin, the EFF's first chief counsel.

The EFF and other civil liberties groups have yet to support the airport ID case, which Gilmore said is simply a fight for the freedom to travel.

False sense of security

He took his stand on Independence Day last year.

Gilmore, who can't drive long distances because he has epilepsy, claims he wanted to fly to Washington, D.C., to personally petition his government. He was denied boarding in San Francisco and Oakland.

Gilmore says the ID checks create a false sense of security, which is more dangerous than no security at all. It's similar to his arguments against high-tech copy protection schemes that marketing departments refer to as "secure" and "trusted" computing.

In reality, the computer owner is the one who is less secure and trusted as much as a criminal, Gilmore maintains.

"The security measures are not to help you secure it against outsiders. The security measures are to help outsiders help secure your computer against you," he said.

The ultimate privacy protector, Gilmore maintains, is encryption, the technology in which information is scrambled and can only be unscrambled by the holder of a digital key.

In the 1990s, the U.S. government wanted to limit exports of high-grade encryption products, fearing they could block intelligence agencies from cracking coded messages. Critics, such as Gilmore, argued that the genie was already out of the bottle and that the only companies suffering would be those following the rules.

Cracking the code

Gilmore and a friend built a $220,000 supercomputer to crack the government's "gold-standard" encryption, another technology he says gave a false sense of security.

He also helped form a programmer group called "Cypherpunks" to challenge the rules and spread ways of ensuring privacy online, such as anonymous e-mail systems.

In 1992, Gilmore was threatened with arrest for attempting to share information on military encryption that had been checked out of a public library. The government later relaxed its controls in the mid-and late 1990s -- after a court case won by the EFF.

Dave Farber, a University of Pennsylvania telecommunications professor and EFF board member, praised Gilmore for using his financial resources to fight for his principles.

"You can be a lot more of an irritant to a system that needs an irritant," Farber said, "when you have the money to provide the irritation."
 
I really love the way animal puts things. Agree or not, you gotta like him beneath that raging angry and flame everyone attidute.

-sk
 
I'm glad that you are such an avid supporter of pedophiles and child molestors. I cant believe we are being violated to the point that someone cant advertise kiddie porn in the privacy of their own home. I do feel violated by that example. Its good to see you are in good company animal.

Steroids are a Sch III drug for a good reason, to keep them away from kids. You see how many dumbass high school students are in GNC buying Anoteston and Norteston, what if it were nearly that easy for them to get Anadrol and Haloteston instead?

No shit the Feds are watching us. If they wanted to, they could come bust anyone at anytime. With our laws it may not result in a prison sentence or even conviction, but if you piss them off or start hurting others, they can come up with some very inventive ways to make your life hell.

God damn animal, why dont you go start an Al-Queda fan club.
 
IJ my man ;^)

C-III has done little to minimize kid's access to steroids... statistics vary, but I've some that said around 6% percent of high school males has used AAS before scheduling, now its something like 4-5 percent...

The vast majority of steroid users busted are not kids or professional atheletes, who the laws were supposedly created for (really for $ports lobby) .. they are responsible adults who generally have minimal if any criminal record...

C-III accomplishes nothing.
 
Well, that was kind of the principle behind it. But all this bullshit from Animal about the Feds wanting to take our liberties is pathetic. I believe it was NYC Defender who said that in all his years of criminal defense and prosecution, NOT ONE SINGLE arrest and prosecution was due to an investigation regarding solely AAS. It was always over rec drugs and the suspect happened to have juice, too.

Just dont be a dipshit and leave anadrol and some syringes out in your car when the cop pulls you for speeding and you should be ok.
 
Again

I suggest you ask Rick Collins on his view on people getting popped for juice only as you obviously aren't in any shape or form a defense atty. Additionally, I'm sure the guy the just busted with 500g of AS in New Jersey just happened to have that amount of AS as the cops really didn't give a shit about it. Then there's arrest of a couple months ago where they found a whole container full of AS which was being imported by the russian mafia under the guise of furniture, ahh, but they most likely just wanted to keep the rich people from not getting high quality real antique furniture and the AS just happened to be there. Right?
 
Re: AHAHA!

idanimal said:
Great argument!

That being said since o so many know absolutely nothing about history and the law, maybe you can bust a baby finger and do a search on the founder of Life Extension. You see, he was the first to sell DHEA and he was told by the FDA and DEA that it was ok for him to do it.

Hey retards, does that sound familiar? The FDA and DEA tells somebody something was legal, that is.

So he goes about his business and 6 mos later the DEA seizes over a million dollars worth of his products and throws him in jail for 6 mos before he could get a hearing or bail.

Does that sound familiar? The DEA shows up and decides something they've told you is legal is now illegal and he gets arrested.

In the end he won, but does that sound familiar?


Oh, but what do I know as I'm just an idiot!

Look it up, chump cause it's obvious an idiot is smarter than YOU and history DOES repeat itself and don't worry cause it won't happen to you. BTW, it's goddamn hard to argue with somebody who is right!


AHAHA!

Please take note of the double standard animal:

a) I told you, you were out of line in one discussion and then you BANNED me from your board.

b) Look at your use of language in this latter post. It is grounds for a banning. However, if there is one thing I hold important, is freedom of speech/ideas.

Just ponder on that for a while.

Fonz
 
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