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US Troops are BABY KILLERS!

2Thick

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I am so proud of our brave troops dropping bombs because they are too weak and ignorant to kill terrorists face-to-face.


US bombing kills Afghan children


The US sent in an A-10 'Warthog' after receiving intelligence
US forces have admitted mistakenly killing nine children when they bombed a target in southern Afghanistan.
US military spokesman Major Christopher West said they had acted on information that a suspected terrorist was at a house near the city of Ghazni.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/3297575.stm
 
Deus Ex Machina said:
I think we need to extend your Elite Moderator powers to areas in Afghanistan and Iraq, that way this stuff won't happen! ;)


Talibanned!






okay, that was stupid, I'm going to bed now.
 
2Thick said:


Is that too much to ask?



Nothing's 2Much to ask for you; you and the United States versus Terrorism.


"I wish to display no faltering in this matter. There cannot be the slightest doubt that the bond uniting the two revolutions, and especially the bond uniting their two leaders, is indissoluble, and that one will always support the other. Moreover, it is a common enemy whom we shall defeat."

:fro:
 
alien amp pharm said:



Talibanned!






okay, that was stupid, I'm going to bed now.


R O F L
 
your thread has great timing 2thick. im at my sleep lab now, and one of my patients tonight is an old army ranger (WWII and Korean conflict old.) His opinion on the whole situation is that from his experience he knows that the public is told what the govt and political officials want us to hear.

that sucks.



an aside to my patriotism of tonight...

it seems like your straddling both sides of the fence here bor. every day i wake up to more "our soldiers are getting killed..." posts, and when instead of sending ground troops in we use aircraft its "US soldiers are baby killers"

To my midwestern patriotic ears (eyes) that sounds (looks) a whole lot better than "seven US soldiers gunned down in an apparent terrorist attack"
 
2Thick said:
I am so proud of our brave troops dropping bombs because they are too weak and ignorant to kill terrorists face-to-face.




http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/3297575.stm

you dont have a fuckin clue buddy

let your kid sign the paper and let them send him to the desert and see if you give a fuck if some innocent people are killed on accident. if you have no kids then you sign up buddy.

dont ever blame that shit on the troops. those commands come from way above troops. they dropped it were they were told to drop it.

sorry to be such a dick, but how could i not be offended by, " I am so proud of our troops dropping bombs because they are too weak and ignorant to kill terrorist face to face."

that is the most ignorant statment i have ever heard. you insult the entire US military
 
Troops are not to blame. We shouldn't be there in the first place. I think if we are looking to make the world a better place via Regime Change, then all good things start at home.
 
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bicepts101 said:


you dont have a fuckin clue buddy

let your kid sign the paper and let them send him to the desert and see if you give a fuck if some innocent people are killed on accident. if you have no kids then you sign up buddy.

dont ever blame that shit on the troops. those commands come from way above troops. they dropped it were they were told to drop it.

sorry to be such a dick, but how could i not be offended by, " I am so proud of our troops dropping bombs because they are too weak and ignorant to kill terrorist face to face."

that is the most ignorant statment i have ever heard. you insult the entire US military

The whole idea is that they're SUPPOSED to protect the innocent over there and "give a fuck if some innocent people are killed."

Remember? The whole thing about US military being liberators not oppressors?

As well, (I'm guessing) the US military isn't willing to take on the terrorists face to face because of the possibility of the high casualties. Dropping a bomb is so much easier. Nevermind the fact that some innocents are killed and spawn the next generation's terrorists.

Hence the "weak and ignorant" comment. Weak, because they don't want to take it to the terrorists man to man given the high possibility of losses. Ignorant because they fail to realize that innocent deaths will turn into more terrorists.

Personally, I got to feel sorry for US Military seeing how they're in a bad spot. They can't retreat because the leaders want to stay and give contracts to their pet companies. They are getting killed each and every day. They have their pat cut by their leaders. Some people blame the occupation on them and not their leaders. Overall, its a shitty place to be in.
 
More than likely, the terrorists would have used those kids as bomb carriers. Rig them with a jacket full of explosives, walk up to a group of soldiers and bam.
 
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bicepts101 said:


you dont have a fuckin clue buddy

let your kid sign the paper and let them send him to the desert and see if you give a fuck if some innocent people are killed on accident. if you have no kids then you sign up buddy.

dont ever blame that shit on the troops. those commands come from way above troops. they dropped it were they were told to drop it.

sorry to be such a dick, but how could i not be offended by, " I am so proud of our troops dropping bombs because they are too weak and ignorant to kill terrorist face to face."

that is the most ignorant statment i have ever heard. you insult the entire US military

As a military member myself I couldn't have said it better. Thanks for the support!!
 
2Thick said:
I am so proud of our brave troops dropping bombs because they are too weak and ignorant to kill terrorists face-to-face.


Yeah, remember Kosovo? Our Army was too chickenshit to send the soldiers on the ground, so they just kept dropping bombs on schools and hosptals from 10 000 feet. What a fricking disgrace our once proud military machine has become...
 
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anabolicmd said:


Yeah, remember Kosovo? Our Army was too chickenshit to send the soldiers on the ground, so they just kept dropping bombs on schools and hosptals from 10 000 feet. What a fricking disgrace our once proud military machine has become...

I don't get you guys. People bitch that we're losing soldiers by the day, so instead we drop bombs to save US Military lives and now we're cowards?

WTF?
 
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Romo17 said:


I don't get you guys. People bitch that we're losing soldiers by the day, so instead we drop bombs to save US Military lives and now we're cowards?

WTF?

Its pussy either way I guess. We need to stay out alltogether.
 
I would understand you saying our political leaders are weak and ignorant, but the troops? You know its funny, I have never seen you once post about ignorant and weak terrorist TARGETING innocent children? I wonder why that is?
The "troops" have killed terrorist face to face, and they also have captured large numbers . It takes a coward to sit behind a keyboard and call those fighting for this country weak. When the your boots are on the ground and the bullets are flying over your head then maybe your opinion of what is "weak and ignorant" will change.


2Thick said:
I am so proud of our brave troops dropping bombs because they are too weak and ignorant to kill terrorists face-to-face.




http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/3297575.stm
 
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overhead said:
It takes a coward to sit behind a keyboard

overhead said:
When the your boots are on the ground and the bullets are flying

Arent you behind a keyboard yourself, mister "boots on the ground"?
 
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overhead said:
I would understand you saying our political leaders are weak and ignorant, but the troops? You know its funny, I have never seen you once post about ignorant and weak terrorist TARGETING innocent children? I wonder why that is?
The "troops" have killed terrorist face to face, and they also have captured large numbers . It takes a coward to sit behind a keyboard and call those fighting for this country weak. When the your boots are on the ground and the bullets are flying over your head then maybe your opinion of what is "weak and ignorant" will change.



Thank you, you took the words out of my mouth. And yes my boots have been on the ground in both Afghanistan and Iraq.
 
Anyone that has anything bad to say about the American troops can suck a dick IMO. Those guys are over three risking their lives so we can go to work and go about our lives feeling safe.
 
02gixxersix said:
Anyone that has anything bad to say about the American troops can suck a dick IMO. Those guys are over three risking their lives so we can go to work and go about our lives feeling safe.

Can we talk reality for a minute? Our troops are helpless cannon fodder for our middle east adventure! Whats so great about that?
 
02gixxersix said:
Anyone that has anything bad to say about the American troops can suck a dick IMO. Those guys are over three risking their lives so we can go to work and go about our lives feeling safe.

Safe from WHAT? Saddam's WMD?

If I wasnt so busy clenching my teeth for the kids that arent coming home, I would be laughing at you.
 
The terrorists show no mercy, we shouldn't. Of course to the innocent, but we would lose many more lives fighting face to face. I sure as hell would not want to fight face to face, if that makes me a pussy then I would admit I am a pussy,at least I would be alive. Think about all of the soldiers with girlfreinds, wives, kids,etc....
 
People the article posted concerns a potential misfire in Afghanistan, not Iraq. Judging by the responses I doubt 99% of people here actually read the article.
 
Kinda like the President. He has aides read all his briefs to him OUT LOUD. Nice. I wonder if they have skip over all the multi syllable words and the fractions.....
 
You mean people got killed mistakenly or otherwise? Crap this ruined my day I thought the world was a big smiling Utopia where everyone sung Kumbayya(sp?) at least 6 times a day!!!

We had better hurry up and elect a democrat so the bombs can stop dropping in Afghanistan and can start blowing up shit here in the US...

You know I thought mankind, the world, and civilization as a whole was completely different now than it has been for the entire recorded history of man on Earth I guess its not. My God what a frightening realization, whoa I think I need a vegie burger and latte...
 
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anabolicmd said:




Arent you behind a keyboard yourself, mister "boots on the ground"?

I have already completed my service, how about you? I did not call people risking there lives for ME weak and ignorant. I called someone that would sit behind a keyboard and call those serving weak is a coward. I have no issue with calling those in washington cowards, weak ignorant, or anything you wish. But the guys on the ground have nothing at all to do with politicians choices, good or bad. They follow orders. They risk their lives, they sacrifice. If you had a chance to be around anyone in the 10th mountain (I believe they are the major unit now in Afgan), the 82nd airborne, the 101st air assault, etc you would call them many things, but weak and ignorant would not be in the list.
 
I bet for a moment the guys piloting those jets into the WTC were face to face with some WTC employees for a fraction of a second before they all collectively died...but you know that doesn't raise their stature in my eyes.

Truman was once asked if he felt remorse for dropping the A-bomb on the Japanese. His response was "I'd kill a million Japs if it saved one American" Now there is a democrat that I can respect.

You see the world isn't a pastel colored episode of Barney its a fucking rough block, and overly evolved sensibilities are not a strength but a glaring weakness. We should all take a moment and reaffirm we have a pair and reevaluate what the fucking sides are.
 
anabolicmd said:


Can we talk reality for a minute? Our troops are helpless cannon fodder for our middle east adventure! Whats so great about that?

It does not matter what you think about either war. But your complete lack of respect for those that are willing to die to protect your freedoms is disgusting. I do not like the war in Iraq, I am not a fan of president bush and I believe the way they are running this war is wrong. But I am smart enough to discern between those giving orders and those following them.
 
Ironmako Two said:
We should all take a moment and reaffirm we have a pair and reevaluate what the fucking sides are.

i do have a pair, and they clank when i walk. I grew up in independence MO also. coincidence? i think not.
 
I find your yearning for justice touching...yet also completely unrealistic.
I have also heard that birds are immune to the concept of self pity...
 
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anabolicmd said:


Yeah, remember Kosovo? Our Army was too chickenshit to send the soldiers on the ground, so they just kept dropping bombs on schools and hosptals from 10 000 feet. What a fricking disgrace our once proud military machine has become...

"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country" General Patton
 
Its not the US's fault that enemy combatants choose to hide out among innocent civilians. The guy they were trying to hit obviously doesn't have any regard for the women and children he endangered by hiding out there. The US didn't specifically say "Lets go blow up some afghan kids today..." Exercise a tad bit of intellectual honesty while you're on you soap box...
 
Ironmako Two said:
Its not the US's fault that enemy combatants choose to hide out among innocent civilians. The guy they were trying to hit obviously doesn't have any regard for the women and children he endangered by hiding out there. The US didn't specifically say "Lets go blow up some afghan kids today..." Exercise a tad bit of intellectual honesty while you're on you soap box...

o it is the terrorist's fault that the US dropped bombs on children.

Yeah, that's jingoism if I have ever seen it.
 
If say for instance you knew the US was trying to kill you and additionally were aware that they didn't need to excercise any restraint in doing so would you willfully hide among children knowing full well you were endangering them?

Answer that question honestly then accuse me of jingoism
 
Ironmako Two said:
If say for instance you knew the US was trying to kill you and additionally were aware that they didn't need to excercise any restraint in doing so would you willfully hide among children knowing full well you were endangering them?

Answer that question honestly then accuse me of jingoism

You talk as if you know for a fact that this took place.
 
That what took place? The bombing or that the terrorist the US was trying to pop actually even considered the risks associated with his stay in that village?
 
There are facts and there are opinions. Fact is the US is over there fighting AND taking orders. Not an ounce of resentment to the troops, They`re doing their job.

Opinion is... WHY they are fighting.
 
Ironmako Two said:
That what took place? The bombing or that the terrorist the US was trying to pop actually even considered the risks associated with his stay in that village?

There was no terrorist. That is the problem.

It is like walking up to your house, shooting it full of bullets and claiming that I saw a SUSPECTED burglar in it.
 
You say that with a large measure of undeserved certainty how do you know that there was no terrorist? Are you privy to some info the rest of us aren't?
 
Fuck it. They understand force.
 
2Thick said:


Yes, sacrificing those 9 children's lives are okay (along with the 6000 lost thus far in Iraq and Afghanistan).

Just like the US sacreficing those 3000 lives is worth it for the other side.

Just think of it as retroactive abortion, 2Thick...you know, those women really couldn't support their children properly what with no jobs, war torn neighborhoods, etc. What kind of life would those children really have had?:o

I think a sign of insanity is not being able to keep your ideas consistant.
 
MattTheSkywalker said:
Fuck it. They understand force.

Ever seen the Battle of Algiers? They understood force too. Yet still triumphed over the French.
 
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overhead said:


But the guys on the ground have nothing at all to do with politicians choices, good or bad. They follow orders. They risk their lives, they sacrifice.

well said bro and the bottom line

most people have no clue do they
 
2Thick said:


There was no terrorist. That is the problem.

It is like walking up to your house, shooting it full of bullets and claiming that I saw a SUSPECTED burglar in it.

first of all pillots are not shown a picture of whats below. they are given coordanates and are told to fire. simply they are told heres where to fire now do it.

if intellegance suspects there are members of any terrorist groups located in any particular location and decide to fire. i am behind that decision 100%.

collateral damage is not supposed to happen. but it does. why? because it is imposible to lead a war and not have mistakes and miscues. its the same for our side. they will die and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

why would the US want to kill innocent people? think about it. its not like Sadaam cares if the Iraq people die. the government knows this. so why would we just kill innocent people?

im sick of people form the US opposing everthing there government and military does. if you dont like our government, our military, and our country then pack your fuckin bags and get the fuck out. your not wanted

there is a reason our government and our military are so aggressive. How would you like it if the war came to your front steps? need i say more on that?

as a member of the US military i am disgusted with the quote 2thick made on the first post of this thread. you put the uniform on, you crawl through the dessert, then come back and say that soldiers, marines, airman, are cowards.
 
2Thick said:


Why is it that people in the US military are so dumb?

Yes, we can never rise to the standards you set. LOL!

What are you doing these days? Trying to figure out which advanced degree can pull you out of your life sentence of mediocrity? Seeking in the classroom what you cannot find outside of it?

Or are we on to other pursuits now?

tell us, oh wise one..and while you are at it, expand into how many lives are improved by your presence on this world.

Or are you yet another consumer who produces roughly nothing?

Just curious.
 
2Thick said:


Why is it that people in the US military are so dumb?


So what is the solution, oh great one? How do we solve the problems in the middle east? It is easy to sit and call others dumb, or others plans dumb. What I would be impressed with is an actual idea out of you. Something other than illogical generalizations.
 
MattTheSkywalker said:


Yes, we can never rise to the standards you set. LOL!

Probably not.

What are you doing these days?

Not much. Just chilling on the Internet all day.

Trying to figure out which advanced degree can pull you out of your life sentence of mediocrity?

I was thinking about advanced basket weaving.

Seeking in the classroom what you cannot find outside of it?

I am actually kind of scared of anything out of the classroom.

Or are we on to other pursuits now?

I am still weighing the options. You know, professional artist or custodial engineer.

tell us, oh wise one..and while you are at it, expand into how many lives are improved by your presence on this world.

How many lives, eh? Let me see. Kind of hard to compute considering the turnover.

Or are you yet another consumer who produces roughly nothing?

Just curious.

Hehehe. I love the inside joke.
 
overhead said:



So what is the solution, oh great one? How do we solve the problems in the middle east? It is easy to sit and call others dumb, or others plans dumb. What I would be impressed with is an actual idea out of you. Something other than illogical generalizations.

This is the Internet. If I wanted to present my ideas about geopolitics I would choose a medium where people could understand all of the words that I use.
 
"A friends wife was watching the news the other day. She is a little woman, very polite, very nice, never curses. She has 4 children and is very protective of all kids. So her reaction shocked everyone. She didn't cry. She didn't seem sad. She went into a bloody rage and almost smashed the TV. Then she turned to her husband who is in the military. And she said "Please, please, kill that man! Kill that mother fucker! Kill his fucking brothers and sisters! Kill his bitch of a mother and father! Kill his fucking children!"

"The simple law of the jungle - kill or be killed!"
 
2Thick said:


This is the Internet. If I wanted to present my ideas about geopolitics I would choose a medium where people could understand all of the words that I use.

Ok, then I guess you better stick to calling people dumb. You realize the unwashed masses out here in internet land do have access to dictionary.com, so your use of big words would not be a problem. Some of us have actually been to the middle east and understand its history. Its complete lack of respect for the west and western ideas, and the wests lack of respect for theirs. I for one would love to be enlightened. But I am impressed, you do know how to keep your board moving
 
DcupSheepNipples said:
"A friends wife was watching the news the other day. She is a little woman, very polite, very nice, never curses. She has 4 children and is very protective of all kids. So her reaction shocked everyone. She didn't cry. She didn't seem sad. She went into a bloody rage and almost smashed the TV. Then she turned to her husband who is in the military. And she said "Please, please, kill that man! Kill that mother fucker! Kill his fucking brothers and sisters! Kill his bitch of a mother and father! Kill his fucking children!"

LOL... women are seriously messed up. That is why they are 2nd class citizens.

"The simple law of the jungle - kill or be killed!"

That is why we live outside of the jungle.
 
Dropping bombs on babies is one thing, but blaming it on the troops is another. There is no way the privates, the corporals, the sergeants .. etc, are responsible for this. the order came from higher up the chain of command. sry if this has been posted before, just my 2 cents. comeon guys, support your damn troops.
 
Yarg! said:
Dropping bombs on babies is one thing, but blaming it on the troops is another. There is no way the privates, the corporals, the sergeants .. etc, are responsible for this. the order came from higher up the chain of command. sry if this has been posted before, just my 2 cents. comeon guys, support your damn troops.

I do not support baby killers.
 
2Thick said:


Fetus killer, is more like it.

A baby can live on its own outside of the womb. A fetus cannot.

But you probably cannot understand the difference.

I was talking about US troops. WTF are you talking about? This was the title of your thread "US Troops are BABY KILLERS!" correct?
 
2Thick said:


I was talking about how dumb you are. What are you talking about?

You talking to me? I'm talking what your talking about which is why we are talking. Don't go postal you might hurt a baby.
 
Freaky Gear God said:


You talking to me? I'm talking what your talking about which is why we are talking. Don't go postal you might hurt a baby.

I know that you know that I know what you know what we both know what we mean, but what you don't know and I do know, although it is generally an unknown, is the knowledge that knowing is not understanding so it is unknown to all unless you know to understand the unknown.
 
2Thick said:


I know that you know that I know what you know what we both know what we mean, but what you don't know and I do know, although it is generally an unknown, is the knowledge that knowing is not understanding so it is unknown to all unless you know to understand the unknown.

Exactly. I'm glad we got that settled.

Now back to the war on the war against drugs.
 
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2Thick said:


Was Patton talking about children dying?

He could have been... Do you think that civilian casualties in war are a new thing? A result of the cowardice of today's military? Lot's of civilians died when we firebombed Dresden and Tokyo during WWII. Arguably, those events were part of the overall strategy for victory and played at least a nominal role in that victory.


Today's military executes orders with precision, using far more lethal munitions with greater accuracy than ever before. Without question it is a tragedy that 9 children were killed. They wouldn't have been if 9/11 had never happened. The blood is not on the hands of the US. Or do you think we shouldn't be in Afghanistan?
 
2thick....

Perhaps we should have just let the Taliban alone after 9/11. Not gone after AQ and OBL. I'm sure at the time you were the only one standing on your canadian soapbox, throwing mud at your former country.

No you weren't.

You were shocked, hurt, angry and confused like the rest of the world. You cheered US action in Afghanistan (I thank you for that, it meant a lot to me while I was there). Later, as US foreign policy became focused on Iraq and unilateral action, you were the first to see the folly in "going it alone". You knew it would be a harmful precedent, and that Iraq didn't really have WMD.

No you didn't.

When it became clear that the popular thing to do was denounce war and criticize the easy target that the United States has become in the worlds eye, you hopped on the fucking wagon with the rest of the french up there in Canada and started slinging mud. You haven't stopped since.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion - but the fact that each one of yours is preceded by the words "elite" and"moderator" is a laughable farce. Have a good day, mate.
 
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bicepts101 said:


you dont have a fuckin clue buddy

let your kid sign the paper and let them send him to the desert and see if you give a fuck if some innocent people are killed on accident. if you have no kids then you sign up buddy.

dont ever blame that shit on the troops. those commands come from way above troops. they dropped it were they were told to drop it.

sorry to be such a dick, but how could i not be offended by, " I am so proud of our troops dropping bombs because they are too weak and ignorant to kill terrorist face to face."

that is the most ignorant statment i have ever heard. you insult the entire US military

i agree with 2thick alot of times but i also really agree with this statement

i know manny people in iraq right now and they take orders they dont like them .. they just wanna come home....... the problem is the adminstration/ rummy

we keep "relying" on bad intelligance.
 
2Thick said:


Fetus killer, is more like it.

A baby can live on its own outside of the womb. A fetus cannot.

But you probably cannot understand the difference.

Neither can you, as I have extensively shown. Oh...I forgot, you have a solid grasp of biological sciences from your training in, what was it, finance?

Debating issues is what one does before one understands that the opponent is mentally retarded, after which point you simply pity the lack of ability nature has provided your opponent.

You could have reasoned arguments, if it were not for your holding to contradictory concepts.

:p
 
so what's the point of this thread? the US relies on weak sources of intelligence? soldiers follow orders? this isn't news anymore. the troops are not to be blamed. but then again it is always easy to pass judgment when you can live so far removed from the issue.
 
2Thick said:


This is the Internet. If I wanted to present my ideas about geopolitics I would choose a medium where people could understand all of the words that I use.

then why did you start all this shit in the first place?
 
2Thick said:


Why is it that people in the US military are so dumb?


i will not stoop to your level and make personal attacks bro. i will just continiue to make good points

you are an intellegant person you know your anabolics and nutrition pretty well. So post with knowledge when you post on such a sensitive topic.

but why are you a mod? is somebody saying, "hey offend every soldier in the United States military and start this thread."
 
ChefWide said:


Safe from WHAT? Saddam's WMD?

If I wasnt so busy clenching my teeth for the kids that arent coming home, I would be laughing at you.

because they are fighting the terrorist over there instead of the terrorist coming here and killing our civilians. you fucking moron!
 
75th said:
People the article posted concerns a potential misfire in Afghanistan, not Iraq. Judging by the responses I doubt 99% of people here actually read the article.

exactly. but the bush haters are morons.
 
ChefWide said:
Kinda like the President. He has aides read all his briefs to him OUT LOUD. Nice. I wonder if they have skip over all the multi syllable words and the fractions.....
your a fucking moron, quit posting on this thread and next time read the fucking article dick. let me guess, you want hillary running the country, you pansy ass faggot.
 
2Thick said:


Yes, sacrificing those 9 children's lives are okay (along with the 6000 lost thus far in Iraq and Afghanistan).

Just like the US sacreficing those 3000 lives is worth it for the other side.

why dont you go over there and rescue some of those children if you care so goddamn much.
 
2Thick said:


o it is the terrorist's fault that the US dropped bombs on children.

Yeah, that's jingoism if I have ever seen it.

yeah, kind of like you using generalizations about troops being baby-killers. or that moronic fucking idiot that said the taxpayers are baby killers.
 
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