Urban Combatives

[thedogger]

Afternoon all,

new to forum so please no beat downs just yet please, whilst im predominantly here to learn about steroids i noticed this section and thought i might have something you lot would like to see -

http://www.urbancombatives.com/index.htm

its no nosense damage, probably stuff you know already but good anyway.

later

edited to say, the section "articles by lee morisson" show the business but whole site is packed full of info, great for combat history and the greats it has created, fairbairn etc
dave

 

[Djimbe]

Most of the stuff in "Urban Cmbatives" and ALL of its Clone programs fails at its Meeting of THeorem with Reality . The fact is that its all very Loveley , but Martial Artists arent Developed throuugl LEARNING , theyre developed through TRAINING . And thats the Difference . There are NO "Cannmed Soloutions" that "Work" because there are NO CANNED SITUATIONS .

the primary Issue with Programs like the above is that people react EXACTLY as they are Traied to , and IF you train a Sequence of Movements (Training at the Technique level) you will DO that Sequence of Moivemewnts EXACTLY . Rather like Learning Scales on an Instrument . So Programs like KM , and UC and SRT types teach you these "Short Katas" for individual situations - well , what happens when the Situation changes ? when the opponent comes from the Right in the stead of the Left , or has a Shield (lke your child) to use against you ? The fact is that there are no short Cuts , and thats essentially what these types of Programs try to claim to be . There is NO Motion in Fighting that is "Natural" . I have had to take TWO HOURS out to explain to some ppl how to make and hold a PROPER FIST . And it sometimes takes WEEKS to make that lesson STICK ! The most BASIC JAB takes real fighters DECADES to Perfect against Real , Resisting Opponents to the point where it becomes a Reliable , workable weapon . Not to Mention that your body needs to be Conditioned to throw Strikes and not break apart when it does . so if it takes that kind of Dedication from a real ATHLETE what is it going to take from a Couch Potatoe/Businessman/Soccermum ?

TRICKS DONT WORK against someone thats truly POhysical ,and Athletic - someone thats TRULY balanced on theior Feet . They will swat that junk away like the morning paper .

 

[thedogger]

Most of the stuff in "Urban Cmbatives" and ALL of its Clone programs fails at its Meeting of THeorem with Reality . The fact is that its all very Loveley , but Martial Artists arent Developed throuugl LEARNING , theyre developed through TRAINING . And thats the Difference . There are NO "Cannmed Soloutions" that "Work" because there are NO CANNED SITUATIONS .

the primary Issue with Programs like the above is that people react EXACTLY as they are Traied to , and IF you train a Sequence of Movements (Training at the Technique level) you will DO that Sequence of Moivemewnts EXACTLY . Rather like Learning Scales on an Instrument . So Programs like KM , and UC and SRT types teach you these "Short Katas" for individual situations - well , what happens when the Situation changes ? when the opponent comes from the Right in the stead of the Left , or has a Shield (lke your child) to use against you ? The fact is that there are no short Cuts , and thats essentially what these types of Programs try to claim to be . There is NO Motion in Fighting that is "Natural" . I have had to take TWO HOURS out to explain to some ppl how to make and hold a PROPER FIST . And it sometimes takes WEEKS to make that lesson STICK ! The most BASIC JAB takes real fighters DECADES to Perfect against Real , Resisting Opponents to the point where it becomes a Reliable , workable weapon . Not to Mention that your body needs to be Conditioned to throw Strikes and not break apart when it does . so if it takes that kind of Dedication from a real ATHLETE what is it going to take from a Couch Potatoe/Businessman/Soccermum ?

TRICKS DONT WORK against someone thats truly POhysical ,and Athletic - someone thats TRULY balanced on theior Feet . They will swat that junk away like the morning paper .

morning, i didnt post it as some new incredible fighting sytle, just something i thought people might find interesting.

i certainly found it interesting to read, and intend to try and use some of it next time it gets a bit punchy in town - im 23 and live in south east london - because 95% of the poeple you are likely to come up against on a night out arent so to speak good at fighting, they are just willing to become violent.

and perhaps more interesting for me, is the bits of history ref Fairbairn, Sykes, Col Rex Applegate.

anyhow no big deal, you dont like it and thats no skin off my nose.

later

dave

 

[Djimbe]

The problem is that you never knw WHEN youre going to unluck up on that 5% , and I dont like to Prepare for the guy that CANT Fight , I like to prepare for the one that CAN . And guys like old War Heroes WERE (are ?) badasses , but repeating their Names dosent help me be one . I say that not to target you Dirctly , but THe Marketing of the Stuff . It acts like because at some point in History Fairbairn put in the work to learn how to Fight that you wont have to .

 

[thedogger]

The problem is that you never knw WHEN youre going to unluck up on that 5% , and I dont like to Prepare for the guy that CANT Fight , I like to prepare for the one that CAN . And guys like old War Heroes WERE (are ?) badasses , but repeating their Names dosent help me be one . I say that not to target you Dirctly , but THe Marketing of the Stuff . It acts like because at some point in History Fairbairn put in the work to learn how to Fight that you wont have to .

i know what you mean in respect of the names, but i do have a genuine interest in military history anyway, and so for me that is something extra i enjoy to read about.

and in repsect of the 5% etc - thing is a lot of people can be violent without being any good at it, people shoving bottles in your face doesnt take any skill but 10pints of beer will help them do it, and for me that is the main sort of threat i am likely to come up against.

 

[Djimbe]

I simply think that its Obvious that if youre prepared for the 5% youre prepared for the 95% . Of COURSE youre MORE LIKELY to run into the Greater %# Thats WHY its the Greater %# ! But a single ENcounter with the Former is FAR more than 20X as dangerous as one hundered with the latter .