Upcoming cycle layout, feedback appreciated.

[Izzman]

Hey sup all, I am getting ready for my third solid cycle in about a weeks time that I will run all the way into just before winter. My stats are 5'11, 210, about 13-15% BF (recently came off a bulker cycle and have maintained that since). Goal is to add as much mass as possible (15-20lbs, Diet will ensure of this) Heres my cycle breakdown:

Deca 400mg/ Week 1-14
EQ 400mg/ Week 1-14 (800mg Frontload weeks 1 & 2)
Adrol 50mg ED Weeks 1-4 (If these are too harsh since it will be my first time using them I have plenty of dbol on hand and will run 25mg ED)

PCT will be standard nolva/clomid with HCG 500IU's EOD for weeks 6-8.

Now here are my questions:
I am definitely going to frontload the EQ, however can the deca be frontloaded as well? Say 600-800mg weeks 1 & 2? As with all cycles, it seems that if gains should stagnate around weeks 6-8, I am thinking of definitely switching to a strict cutter to strip away some more fat that I will inevitably put on by adding some var 30mg ED weeks 10-14 and letting the EQ run its course, is this advisable? If gains stop, then why not, right? Also what can help the deca/drol bloat, maybe some Femara (at what dose?) Could use the feedback, so please chime in, thanks.

 

[Izzman]

Bump.

 

[Bruce]

u can front load any long ester. i am not one of these people but most would be limp dicked if they used eq and deca together with no test. so u may want test, if you know you don't need it i see no problems. i do not agree with those that feel eq and deca cannot be stacked, they are completely different imo, i know dudes that run 400 ew of each and luv the results. and var will never cut fat, it will harden your muscles, diet is the only vice for cutting fat. fat never turns to muscle.

 

[Izzman]

u can front load any long ester. i am not one of these people but most would be limp dicked if they used eq and deca together with no test. so u may want test, if you know you don't need it i see no problems. i do not agree with those that feel eq and deca cannot be stacked, they are completely different imo, i know dudes that run 400 ew of each and luv the results. and var will never cut fat, it will harden your muscles, diet is the only vice for cutting fat. fat never turns to muscle.

Thanks for replying, yeah I realize this completely, I only stated that I will throw in the var to help with the cutting at the end along w/ the EQ in addition to the cleaning up of my diet to help strip of some fat. So you think the transition from bulking to cutting won't be a problem? And how about deca/drol bloat, will Femara help in that regard? Anyone know? Thanks.

 

[silverbackn]

I agree with Bruce-diggity. I would atleast add some low dose test. To put on that much quality weight you will probably need some some solid androgen content. The a-drol will help, but when you stop it you will have fairly low levels of androgens circulating.

 

[alltraps]

test bro. and 4 weeks of anadrol might be too long as by the 3rd week the deca will be in full effect and the combined progetrone might make you grow in places youy dont want to

 

[Bruce]

I agree with Bruce-diggity. I would atleast add some low dose test. To put on that much quality weight you will probably need some some solid androgen content. The a-drol will help, but when you stop it you will have fairly low levels of androgens circulating.

yep, there is a thread called "if you want the best u must use test" search it. i never used test but am using a low dose nextime, cause technically if your on gear it doesn't matter if you have no test in your body. it just makes sense

 

[Izzman]

Thanks for replying guys, yeah the reason I dont use any test is because test makes me break out all over and it makes me frickin' hairy with each and every passing cycle, I don't really want to keep going through all that. I don't know how Ill react to the drol but Ill be ready to drop it if anything in place of the dbol. I have enough dostinex on hand as well. I'm very prone to androgen related sides and am trying to make this one of my milder side effect cycles. Also how about the deca/drol bloat issue, what will help with that? Thanks bros.

 

[psychedout]

Hey sup all, I am getting ready for my third solid cycle in about a weeks time that I will run all the way into just before winter. My stats are 5'11, 210, about 13-15% BF (recently came off a bulker cycle and have maintained that since). Goal is to add as much mass as possible (15-20lbs, Diet will ensure of this) Heres my cycle breakdown:

Deca 400mg/ Week 1-14
EQ 400mg/ Week 1-14 (800mg Frontload weeks 1 & 2)
Adrol 50mg ED Weeks 1-4 (If these are too harsh since it will be my first time using them I have plenty of dbol on hand and will run 25mg ED)

PCT will be standard nolva/clomid with HCG 500IU's EOD for weeks 6-8.

Now here are my questions:
I am definitely going to frontload the EQ, however can the deca be frontloaded as well? Say 600-800mg weeks 1 & 2? As with all cycles, it seems that if gains should stagnate around weeks 6-8, I am thinking of definitely switching to a strict cutter to strip away some more fat that I will inevitably put on by adding some var 30mg ED weeks 10-14 and letting the EQ run its course, is this advisable? If gains stop, then why not, right? Also what can help the deca/drol bloat, maybe some Femara (at what dose?) Could use the feedback, so please chime in, thanks.

Eh orbsy? Whatsup? Frontloading seems like a good idea to me, especially when using such slow injectables due to their damn heavy ester wieghts.

If yours gains stagnate and you wish to switch to a cutter, drop the nandrolone as it promotes intramuscular fat storage. EQ/va will definetly do wonders for cutting though. Stopping bloat from drol can be done with letro @ 1.25mg EOD (it really is quite potent). You won't need that much once you stop it. As for nandrolone bloat; that is a bit more complicated -- it can only be partially stopped as it makes you hold water through two mechanisms. One is through slight aromatization to estrogen, the other is through increased sodium retention. There is no way to stop the sodium retention unless you feel like messing with a direutic like Lasix or Diazide, but I would strongly recommend against that.

Looks good all in all. And yeah, you don't need test in there.

 

[Izzman]

Eh orbsy? Whatsup? Frontloading seems like a good idea to me, especially when using such slow injectables due to their damn heavy ester wieghts.

If yours gains stagnate and you wish to switch to a cutter, drop the nandrolone as it promotes intramuscular fat storage. EQ/va will definetly do wonders for cutting though. Stopping bloat from drol can be done with letro @ 1.25mg EOD (it really is quite potent). You won't need that much once you stop it. As for nandrolone bloat; that is a bit more complicated -- it can only be partially stopped as it makes you hold water through two mechanisms. One is through slight aromatization to estrogen, the other is through increased sodium retention. There is no way to stop the sodium retention unless you feel like messing with a direutic like Lasix or Diazide, but I would strongly recommend against that.

Looks good all in all. And yeah, you don't need test in there.

Sup Orbsy! Yeah, appreciate the advice, would give some K but it says I have to spread some around first. Maybe I can try a banana in the morning for Deca bloat, lol, I may pick up some letro now though. I was wondering about using Deca for cutting but you hit the nail on the head for me, thanks bro. I got your PM actually, you can disregard everything, I actually found out what I was looking for. Thanks again Orbyl. (I couldn't agree with your test comment more )

 

[slat1]

Get some dostinex

 

[psychedout]

Get some dostinex

Says he has it on hand.

 

[greekhookup]

testosterone at 300mg to 500mg will be needed so your outside peepee can get hard

 

[BigGunsInc.]

I would use some test.. just my .02.

Other than that, i really like the cycle although for me personally, i will never take Drol again. Good luck and keep us posted.

BGI

 

[organon250]

honestly from what I've experienced and the feedback I get when I e-mail some of the huge guys on the board that post pics they all use test bro there's no substitute. My next cycle is going to consist of completely test and nothing else I think we get too creative sometimes with stacking I know i've micromanaged cycles to my detriment in the past I would throw in test at 750mg's since its your third cycle and keep the eq and have liquidex or liquidfem on hand you can get both from AG-Guys.com for great prices since your running A-bombs. watch yourself on the a-bombs, d-bol might be a better approach but it solely depends on how tolerable the sides of Anadrol are to you individually. As for Femara dosage I've been running .5cc's of the liquid fem which comes out to 1.25mg's every third day and it has definetly killed the bloat and any excess estrogen from my d-bol,sust,deca cycle. Hope it helps out good luck!

 

[Izzman]

honestly from what I've experienced and the feedback I get when I e-mail some of the huge guys on the board that post pics they all use test bro there's no substitute. My next cycle is going to consist of completely test and nothing else I think we get too creative sometimes with stacking I know i've micromanaged cycles to my detriment in the past I would throw in test at 750mg's since its your third cycle and keep the eq and have liquidex or liquidfem on hand you can get both from AG-Guys.com for great prices since your running A-bombs. watch yourself on the a-bombs, d-bol might be a better approach but it solely depends on how tolerable the sides of Anadrol are to you individually. As for Femara dosage I've been running .5cc's of the liquid fem which comes out to 1.25mg's every third day and it has definetly killed the bloat and any excess estrogen from my d-bol,sust,deca cycle. Hope it helps out good luck!

Thanks for all the solid advice guys but Im pretty commited to my choice not to use test! Everytime I've used it I get the dreaded flu and with it a great loss of appetite! Something that I don't want to happen while bulking which has happened everytime with test (even at a small dose, like 200mg Enth a week or 100mg prop a week), I am now at a point where I need to stuff my fat ass to get bigger, lol! Using test won't allow me to do that and not to mention all these nasty ass hair patches I have on my back and shoulders now, its nasty and not very appealing (i'm only 21 for crying out loud!). I do however believe I wil frontload the EQ and Deca at 1000mg for Week 1, then follow the normal dosing regimen from there on out. Or should I do 800mg of each for the first two weeks? Experiences anyone? Thanks.

 

[Bruce]

i say if your gonna do both, get a nice balance 400 a week of each, and frontload them at 800

 

[Izzman]

i say if your gonna do both, get a nice balance 400 a week of each, and frontload them at 800

Yeah, but should I do this for 2 weeks or do 1000mg of each in week 1?

 

[krishna]

Am I the only one that waits to do another cycle (time on = time off after PCT). I always see guys that ended after me who are now starting before me.

 

[Izzman]

Am I the only one that waits to do another cycle (time on = time off after PCT). I always see guys that ended after me who are now starting before me.

Lol, when I start the cycle it will have already been time on = time off buddy! The reason I am going back on is because I already had this cycle planned for a long time to run somewhere in the summer and had been clean for so prior long so I threw in a quick 6 weeker for a little boost! After this cycle ends and depending on the results, if I can get to where I want to be, I won't be touching juice again for a loooong time (and I mean that !).

 

[Izzman]

Yeah, but should I do this for 2 weeks or do 1000mg of each in week 1?

Bump, also since I will be cutting towards the end of the cycle if gains stagnate (which most likely will occur), I would rather not have the deca floating in my system that late into the cycle if I will cut for the final 6-8 weeks. So in addition to the above, let me know of this cycle revision:

Weeks 1-8 Deca 400mg/week, 800mg Frontload week 1
Weeks 1-14 EQ 450mg/week, 1000mg Frontload week 1
Weeks 1-4 Adrol 50mg ED (Will sub with dbol 25mg ED if sides are too harsh)
Weeks 9-14 Var 30mg ED
Weeks 6-8 HCG 500 ius EOD

Then in the final weeks (around 8-14) begin cutting by dropping the deca and adding var to supplement the EQ which should be in full gear by then. So I think this plans out much better than the previous layout as I can cut effectively towards the end and not waste gear if gains stagnate as well as save some deca for a future 8-10 week cycle. Feedback anyone?

 

[organon250]

looks good, not too late to throw in test...just kidding bro looks tight you'll do fine with it!

 

[krishna]

Lol, when I start the cycle it will have already been time on = time off buddy! The reason I am going back on is because I already had this cycle planned for a long time to run somewhere in the summer and had been clean for so prior long so I threw in a quick 6 weeker for a little boost! After this cycle ends and depending on the results, if I can get to where I want to be, I won't be touching juice again for a loooong time (and I mean that !).

Hey man it's cool, just makes me want to start early...haha!

 

[Izzman]

Bump, also since I will be cutting towards the end of the cycle if gains stagnate (which most likely will occur), I would rather not have the deca floating in my system that late into the cycle if I will cut for the final 6-8 weeks. So in addition to the above, let me know of this cycle revision:

Weeks 1-8 Deca 400mg/week, 800mg Frontload week 1
Weeks 1-14 EQ 450mg/week, 1000mg Frontload week 1
Weeks 1-4 Adrol 50mg ED (Will sub with dbol 25mg ED if sides are too harsh)
Weeks 9-14 Var 30mg ED
Weeks 6-8 HCG 500 ius EOD

Then in the final weeks (around 8-14) begin cutting by dropping the deca and adding var to supplement the EQ which should be in full gear by then. So I think this plans out much better than the previous layout as I can cut effectively towards the end and not waste gear if gains stagnate as well as save some deca for a future 8-10 week cycle. Feedback anyone?

Bump for more opinions.

 

[dr0832]

I don't know if a cycle with A-bombs is going to be exactly mild in terms of side effects man.

 

[Izzman]

I don't know if a cycle with A-bombs is going to be exactly mild in terms of side effects man.

Like I posted Ill be ready to drop it in case of anything so Im not worried all that much honestly. What I am worried about is running that and deca at the same time esp. with a deca frontload so we'll see how things turn out.