Unsulin in a cycle...

[Dorian]

I'm going to do a cycle with sust and dianabol, then later throwing in winny and ending off with hcg. Would it be at all beneficial to use insulin in this. Maybe right after a workout with creatine and then eating carbs after to stop going hypoglycemic.

I can get it from someone who is diabetic, so I was wondering.

Dorian

 

[malkman]

I say keep away from insulin entirely. I don't think enough people realize the potential for lasting side effects, like being a diabetic, requiring regular insulin injections, FOREVER. That just is too big of a risk for me.

 

[Stew Meat]

Use only post cycle, otherwise the pumps will be too intense and you won't be able to finish a workout... trust me.
10g of simple sugars per iu of slin. Then down some WPI. Eat a low fat meal 45 minutes later... You would also do good to take in some maltodextrin just after your insulin shot on top of the simple carbs.


-Stew

 

[Dorian]

Mmmm, so you guys think it's not such a good idea? a few of my friends use it, and they get some nice results, awesome pumps. Do problems not only arize when taken for long periods of time and if not done correctly?

 

[Dorian]

Is that a otc or also prescription drug. That does sound like a good idea though. I do use vanadyl sulpthate, yeah maybe i should leave the insulin thing.

Thanks man

Dorian

 

[Dorian]

That does sound kewl, but I don't know how I will be able to get my hands on these. I'll have to look around.
Thanks for the help though

 

[Stew Meat]

Dude why get yourself hooked on insulin.

You can not get "hooked" on insulin. Worst case scenerio, after months of every day use, one could develop an insulin resistnace which is totally reversable. Insulin dependency is not caused by exogenous injections and is inherited. Insulin is a natural hormone in the body and increasing levels is the same as increasing hormone levels, you stop producing as much of your own, but when you quit injection, your endogenous production restarts.

Insulin IMO is safe and the only side effect is death by being stupid and not taking enough sugars with the injection or not keeping sugars on hand in case of symptoms of hypoglycemia start to rear their head. The only people that die from slin overuse are those who get into accidents while driving after injecting and not getting enough sugar or who are just plain stupid.



-Stew

 

[Big Johnson]

FIRST, TAKE THE HCG DURING YOUR CYCLE, NOT AFTER. HCG TURNS YOUR NADS ON AND THEN THE LOOP-BACK SHUTS THEM RIGHT BACK OFF AFTER A COUPLE WEEKS. JUST TAKE CLOMID IF YOU ARE TRYING TO GET YOUR NATURAL SHIT BACK. DURING CYCLE, TAKE 1500 IU EVERY THREE WEEKS DURING CYCLE. 5000 IU IS A WASTE; IT HAS NO MORE EFFECT THAN 1500 IU. STORE THE REST IN THE FRIDGE OR SHARE IT WITH A BUDDY.

SECOND, METFORMIN WORKED GREAT FOR ME. WITHIN TWO WEEKS OF 850MCG A DAY MY STRENGTH HAD GONE UP AND MY WEIGHT WAS DOWN. BUT, IT WON'T INCREASE INSULIN LEVELS. IT ACTUALLY MAKES YOUR BODY PRODUCE LESS INSULIN DUE TO AN INCREASE IN INSULIN FEEDBACK SENSITIVITY. BUT, IF YOU ARE LIKE ME AND PUT WEIGHT ON A LITTLE TOO EASY, MET MIGHT BE GOOD FOR YOU.

I WAS THINKING OF TRYING SLIN POST WORKOUT, BUT I THINK I'LL HOLD OFF FOR AWHILE. IF YOU ARE DETERMINED TO TRY IT, STEW HAS THE RIGHT INFO AND THERE IS MORE GOOD INFO IN THE ARCHIVES, SOME OF IT ALSO FROM STEW.

 

[panther]

Ok Stew I always thought one can become a diabetic from abusing insulin

 

[Jae]

Insulin is The Shit!!! Very anabolic, but if you don;t watch the use of it, you will get very, very FAT!!! take it postworkout, the recommended amount of carbs is 10grams of carbs per 1i.u. of Insulin. But I found I could cut the carbs down to only 5grams of carbs per 1i.u. of insulin and still get away with it, which helped me become even more vascular. !!!!!BUT THIS WAS JUST ME. DON'T TAKE MY EXPERIENCE AS THE GOSPEL.!!!!! You need to pay strict attention to your own body as everyone's is different.

And you can become insulin dependent for life if you abuse it heavily and hard enough. But I think that kept in moderation and used sparingly (about 6 weeks) you are completely on the safe side.

 

[panther]

Jae so one can become hooked on it becasue the body can start to need it correct?

 

[Jae]

Right, with enough heavy use, the body will stop it's own productuon of insulin and therefore you will need insulin for the rest of your life.

Sort of like a long term scenario when the testes shut down with heavy A.S. use. But in this case, there is nothing like HCG or clomid to jump start the insulin production again.

 

[Daeo]

Thanks for saving me from having to type Stew Whenever I hear someone state that using insulin will turn you into a diabetic I go nuts. They never seem to come up with any literature or research to back up their statements. And unless your a fucking idiot it's IMPOSSIBLE to die from insulin usage. Are you an idiot???

 

[panther]

Everyone is stating the total opposite here.

 

[Dorian]

lol yeah panther, I'm just as confuzed now. It's gone from being fine to a killer drug, all in one post,haha.

 

[panther]

When the word Kill is present I rather be safe than sorry!

 

[Jae]

Actually, it is quite easy to die from insulin abuse. Like the bro on here last year who thougth 1cc = 1i.u. He messed himself bad.

But long insulin cycles can take a heavy toll on the body. If you don't beleive me, ask Daryll Stafford an IFBB pro from here in Atlanta, he is now insulin dependent for life because of his heavy use.

 

[Jae]

I was on the board here asking questions for two months before I used it. I did a cycle of prop, cyp, deca, primo, GH, and insulin last fall.

There is a good info site with detailed insulin use advice. I will try to find it.

 

[Dorian]

Thanks man...

 

[panther]

Daeo who are calling an idiot?

 

[Weam]

I'm with everybody who says that Insulin might turns you to a diabetic in someday
and also Insulin can kill you even if you took as low as 18iu without consuming enough carbs!

as with all hormones, when a foreign or exogenous hormones enters the body, it cause an inbalana of the same hormone or other precursor hormones, an anti-bodies build up or a natural resistance to the hormone.

 

[ironmaster]

Insulin is reasonably safe and quite anabolic. Using insulin requires some common sense and considerable research, of course.
Start with Monster's insulin primer post found here in the archives, and Stew's informative post from, what Stew, a month ago or so?
If you decide to try it, don't jump in with both feet. It seems like everyone reacts differently to insulin. I get hypoglcemic on any thing over 10iu at a time, but I know brothers who claim to use 20iu and more. I started at 4iu after lifting, and gradually worked up. Keep a couple tubes of glucose on hand......believe me, you will know if you need it. And keep it short.....month on, a month off, that sort of thing.
Do some homework and you will be fine.
It's great in a bridge, with a GH cycle, or with regular gear if you are a hard gainer.

 

[Daeo]

I wasn't calling anyone an idiot in particular. But if you can't read an insulin syringe and don't know that you need a certain amount of carbs, then in my book you're as dumb as an oyster. Sure it can kill you. But like I said if you know how to use it properly and have some intelligence, it's as safe as any other substance that you take...

 

[Stew Meat]

Actually, it is quite easy to die from insulin abuse. Like the bro on here last year who thougth 1cc = 1i.u. He messed himself bad.

But long insulin cycles can take a heavy toll on the body. If you don't beleive me, ask Daryll Stafford an IFBB pro from here in Atlanta, he is now insulin dependent for life because of his heavy use.

The only way to develop type 1 diabetes where you are insulin dependant is if you are predisposed to it.

However:
Insulin receptors have a higher affinity toward Humilin-R than they do for your own insulin. This has been a problem that is corrected in the Humalog I believe. After long periods of use, your body can become less sensitive to your own insulin and become dependant on the Humilin. This can cause an insulin resistance. Insulin resistance is known as type 2 diabetes. This along with the pancreas's lowerd insulin production, is cause for a drop in one's insulin response after a long cycle of heavy Humilin-R use (or any other slin). However, in most people, this is 100% reversable soon after one stops taking the exogenous injections. There is no evidence that injecting insulin can cause type 1 diabetes and make one soley dependant on insulin. However, if you are geneticly predisposed to becoming diabetic, the slightest bit of trauma to the pancreas (i.e. eating too much sugar or injecting insulin) may cause the pancreas to ceace production. If this happens like it did in Darrl Stafford due to injecting slin, it probably would have happened eventually anyway... he just sped the process.

Type 2 diabetes that can be caused from months of insulin injections is totally reversable.

Insulin is quite safe if you take 10g of carbs per iu of slin and always keeep a sugar supply near.


-Stew