unleashed questions

[Nelson Montana]

Aww, c'mon Nelson, it gives me meaning in my life. Who loves ya, bunky? Just kidding, of course. lmao

I really like that you list the actual ingredients, and not some bullshit "proprietary", "patented" "blend or complex" of minute quantities of the actual ingredients. "Propriety Complex = "We put just enough in so we can list them without getting into trouble for totally fucking you and selling you shit". With ingredients like you have in Unleashed and Post Cycle, you should be proud to list them.

On the subject of divanil, I don't want to go too far into this here and hijack the thread. I will just say this, it is not an anti-androgen. Divanil actually appears to be more of a pro-androgen. It actively completes with androgens for binding to SHGB, freeing up both testosterone and DHT. This is the whole premis behind why DHT drugs like Proviron are so effective in increasing free test. It also strongly competes with DHT for the androgen receptor on the prostate, hence its effectiveness at treating BPH. It appears it is this mechanism, and not inibition of 5-alpha reductase which is anti-androgenic, that accounts for its BHP soothing properties. I'll start a separate,
detailed thread on this. We can do battle on "technicalities" over there! lol

Hey Nelson, do you have any of your studies you could publish about the ineffectiveness of Long Jack? I see another supplement touting this as being the best. Personally, I'll take Unleashed.

The jury is out on 3. 4 divinal but I let you start a seperate thread on that so we don;t go back and forth.

Funny thing about long jack. What I read sounded good and was looking forward to using it back in 2001 so we did a very informal study. (Protein Factory can't spend tens of thousands of dollars utilizing hundreds of subjects. Then again, many other companies just SAY they do!) Anyway, I personally noticed no effect from it. On 3 subjects we did a before and after blood work check. (They were going in anyway so they used Long jack for two weeks prior). Testosterone levels, both free and total were unchanged. I know it's not a lot but it's enough for to say "why bother?" Free T was increased accross the board with avenacosides and muara puama so why use something LESS potent?

 

[dmc777]

The jury is out on 3. 4 divinal but I let you start a seperate thread on that so we don;t go back and forth.

Funny thing about long jack. What I read sounded good and was looking forward to using it back in 2001 so we did a very informal study. (Protein Factory can't spend tens of thousands of dollars utilizing hundreds of subjects. Then again, many other companies just SAY they do!) Anyway, I personally noticed no effect from it. On 3 subjects we did a before and after blood work check. (They were going in anyway so they used Long jack for two weeks prior). Testosterone levels, both free and total were unchanged. I know it's not a lot but it's enough for to say "why bother?" Free T was increased accross the board with avenacosides and muara puama so why use something LESS potent?

I'm sure this may be in your product description but I'm already here so how long did it take for free T to increase with avenacosides and maura puama? Also, what's your take on Fenugreek and 5-Methyl-7-Methoxy Isoflavone? Would it be worth adding it in as a bridge to preserve gains along with Unleashed and Post Cycle?

 

[centeroiler]

I'm sure this may be in your product description but I'm already here so how long did it take for free T to increase with avenacosides and maura puama? Also, what's your take on Fenugreek and 5-Methyl-7-Methoxy Isoflavone? Would it be worth adding it in as a bridge to preserve gains along with Unleashed and Post Cycle?

Hmm...good question for Nelson. I think these more "mimic" testosterone than "free" it. I wonder what the effect would be with Unleashed.

We may want to get Primordial Performance to weigh in on this one too.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Hmm...good question for Nelson. I think these more "mimic" testosterone than "free" it. I wonder what the effect would be with Unleashed.

We may want to get Primordial Performance to weigh in on this one too.

Fenucreek is a phyto-estrogen.

Methoxy isoflavone is very effective..IF...it can be absorbed. And the digestive tract destroys it 100%. I believe that's in one of PP's topicals so maybe they found a way of increasing the absorbtion. I'll let Eric field that one.

 

[centeroiler]

I wanted to emphasize, and clarify one point I was making about the 7-8% avenacosides in Unleashed in my other post. What I should say is that even at 35mg, seeing as avenacosides are really the only effective part of avena sativa, this is a hell of a lot more effective then just groung up, bulk avena sativa twigs/branches and all. Unleashed uses a standardized formula, at a specified dose/amount, and thats the way I want to see it if I'm gonna buy it.

 

[GDF]

Centeroiler please start a thread on the prostate, I am very interested. Thanks!

 

[dmc777]

Centeroiler please start a thread on the prostate, I am very interested. Thanks!

I am too. I bought a bottle of Saw Palmetto then found out that it isn't good to take on cycle so I imagine I don't want to take it at all. I guess it's down to Lycopene and Selenium...

 

[Nelson Montana]

I am too. I bought a bottle of Saw Palmetto then found out that it isn't good to take on cycle so I imagine I don't want to take it at all. I guess it's down to Lycopene and Selenium...

Also, watch your estrogen levels.