Understanding AAS Dosing

[Dingo12]

I am not intending to mimic any male test levels - I was just curious as to what sort of equivalent levels a male would have during adolescence.

Just for my own interest really.

 

[ebear]

Dingo,

A 200-250mg shot of cyp or enanthate every 2 weeks will allow a female, female-to-male transsexual or non-test producing male to maintain normal adult test levels. Not quite sure what common adolescent levels are but I'd guess about twice to three times as much.

Ebear

 

[Keep it beefy]

I don't have a whole lot of cycle experience but what Realgains has said seems valid in 2 respects:
1. You need more juice to make gains the closer you are to your natural limit - even moreso if you are above your limit.
2. You're probably not going to maintain as much of those gains between cycles.

I got up to ~190-195 lbs naturally (5'9") and my cycle results (2 so far) have been nothing like the ones I read about claiming permanent 25lb gains, etc.
Not only do I gain less overall (12-20 lbs), but I only maintain probably 1/2-1/3 of my gains (5-8 lbs) - using clomid and HCG.

i'm in the same boat bro...sucks don't it? only thing is, low dosages work best for me.

 

[Keep it beefy]

I don't think you would want to mimic the test level of an adolescent male.........it would be too much IMO.

Test is a good choice for the ladies actually as it is not a foreign hormone to the female body and is already the most abundant female sex hormone.

A couple words of advice.....search for my post "Injectables guide for females by Realgains and wife"

Also stick with prop as it has a short half life(probably 2 days) and this gives females a chance to bail out of a cycle should bad sides start to come on.

My wife is on 50 mg of QV prop per week. She injects every other day with an insulin syringe and 27 guage 1.5 inch pin(they can be found)...no pain at all. 50 mg per week for 8-12 weeks is plenty unless you are a top competitor looking to turn pro.
I wouldn't run 50 for more than 12 weeks as time "on" is also palys a factor in the developement of androgenic sides.

whoa, that means your wifey is using all most as much test as a grown man at 70-100 mg per week. what sides does she exhibit? enlarged clit, deepening voice or anything? i would imagine that 50 mg would almost be enought to drop her voice some.

 

[Realgains]

whoa, that means your wifey is using all most as much test as a grown man at 70-100 mg per week. what sides does she exhibit? enlarged clit, deepening voice or anything? i would imagine that 50 mg would almost be enought to drop her voice some.

Bro in order for a male to see test levels of 70-100 he needs to take about 200-250 of synthetic test in ester every two weeks.

My wife is taking 12 mg every other day which is 48 mg per week.

So far no problems except an enlarged clit. Using prop so she can bail out if bad sides come on.

 

[Yll]

Good post Realgains

I was also able to go from 170 to 190 naturally at 5'10" with good training and diet. I been lifting for 2 years. I am living proof that those natural test levels will hold you back. Ive tried bulking up a few times on a clean diet and have got my weight up to almost 230 at times and still I end up right back in the lower 190's. If I made any gains from it it was probably 1 lb of muscle each time I bulked. I have to disagree with some people who say it takes up to 5 years to reach your natural potential. It really depends on the genetics/diet/training. I always wondered what kind of gains I would of made bulking up with AS. I guess theres a first time for everything.

 

[me2dammit]

Ok is this natural limit with a low bodyfat(7-10%?)

Isn't there another natural limit with higher body fat(13-18% on up?)

Couldn't juice help you get to your other natural limit and trick your body into keeping that muscle without all that fat, which you could easily get if you chose to be a fat ass?

Wouldn't the body naturaly hold more LBM with alot more fat, knowing it has the back up energy stores to have energy for all that LBM?

I'm not even tallking about 5%, just being lean. I think the body hates to have all that muscle and not alot of fat and has to be tricked into a new set point.

So someone that is 5'10" and just ate and ate and ate and then trained(no anabolics) could get up to 300lbs and have alot of muscle and fat.
Someone can also cycle and end up at 220 at 5'10" and have the same LBM as the guy at 300#, but has trouble maintaining it because he doesn't have enough fat. Not that he is 5%, he could be 9%, the body just doen't think its right.

I think it takes time for the body to see it can survive at that "FAT NATURAL LIMIT", once you over come the time factor, you should have no problem!

 

[body72]

Nice post Realgains i'm with u 100%.
It's good and also rare to see posts like this with really good infos.
Bye
Body

 

[NFG123]

Realgains and the rest of the board,

What is your opinion on a 500 mg T, 400 mg nandrolone (phenyl prop) cycle for 10-12 weeks?

NFG

 

[Nathan]

Good post.