UG Labs -- The Truth

[Nelson Montana]

Over and over I see posts about people taking 700, 800, 1000, up to 2000 mgs of gear a week. And I'm thinking ' That's insane!' That's as much as pros use. There's no point to it. But then again, to be fair, UG stuff has become the norm, and I'm convinced most UG labs are CONSIDERABLY UNDER-DOSED.

I don't know why. I'm not sure if it's the raw materials or they're just trying to save a few bucks, but even testosterone, which is relatively inexpensive, is nothing like pharm grade. Hell, I take only 100 mgs of prescribed test a week and I know that 100 mgs of most UG stuff wouldn't come close to the giving the same feeling. I'd say it'll TWICE as much to equal the actual dosage.

That's not to say the UG brand isn't any good or it isn't real -- just not quite the same. Without proper testing, we can only go by a comparison -- and who can compare to pharm grade these days?

Of course, this is only speculation on my part. What's been everybody else's take on it?

 

[Sinister Minister]

Over and over I see posts about people taking 700, 800, 1000, up to 2000 mgs of gear a week. And I'm thinking ' That's insane!' That's as much as pros use. There's no point to it. But then again, to be fair, UG stuff has become the norm, and I'm convinced most UG labs are CONSIDERABLY UNDER-DOSED.

I don't know why. I'm not sure if it's the raw materials or they're just trying to save a few bucks, but even testosterone, which is relatively inexpensive, is nothing like pharm grade. Hell, I take only 100 mgs of prescribed test a week and I know that 100 mgs of most UG stuff wouldn't come close to the giving the same feeling. I'd say it'll TWICE as much to equal the actual dosage.

That's not to say the UG brand isn't any good or it isn't real -- just not quite the same. Without proper testing, we can only go by a comparison -- and who can compare to pharm grade these days?

Of course, this is only speculation on my part. What's been everybody else's take on it?

Dead on!

I'm unbder the assumption that all UG labs are well underdosed.. I would probably say theres about 2 or 3 that I trust to be as stated, the rest I'd bet my paycheck on that they're not 300mg's of test per ml.. and yes its all to save a buck theres no QC control or governing body out there to regulate the dosages so they can bottle grape seed oil by itself and make tons of cash. it would take about a yr for the negative feedback to circulate that such n such is bogus but by then they just change labels and lab names and keep truckin... just my 2 cents

 

[Arabian]

You are 100% correct Nelson.. I have found this to be so true in the past that most gear you get either home brew or from UG or wherever is severely under dosed and it requires 2 to 3 times the amount that you would normally inject if it were prescribed pharmaceutical grade. That is exactly why I went on HRT.

 

[teddybear]

Im no expert on this,but I agree with nelson. I myself have used test-e from one sourse at500mg per week.And then from another sourse at 800mg per week with less results(all else equal). With UG theres alot of variability.Needless to say Im useing the first again.

 

[jcmbbfuture]

I def. think most is under dosed but then again I only have one experience. Lol. I took 250mg of test e a week alone and put on roughly between 15-20lbs in ten weeks. Needless to say that my experience was pretty good but some labs have to underside for someone to need a gram to get big.

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[Nelson Montana]

The same goes for orals. Ask guys who were around when dbol was legal. Two freakin' 5mg pills a day was all you needed! Today, you got guys using 50mgs and asking if they should up the dosage.

 

[eddymerckx]

No question, pharm grade is generally much better than UG--BUT I used the same UG for 7 years and found it's test very close to the stuff I got for HRT (private guys value discreet clients over a long period so they know their product is everything as there is no website to stumble on. If someone has a website, volume is the key--make $$$ before getting shut-down--and some are much better then others.


As far as orals go--there is no comparison whatsoever---Pharm grade is qualitatively different not just quantitatively. E.g. Pharm grade proviron, anavar, armidex, tamox, and d-bol (from the old days) is just plain different than the UG stuff. As I have said in the past, I think bros just don't know how to mix powders--I mean it sounds like it should be easier but I know it is much harder to get the correct type and ratio of binders/fillers/etc to get the oral correct.


Just saw what Nelson said about the d-bols---yep, no comparison---not even close
Just my .02

 

[Judo Tom]

I also think a lot of it has to do with the raw materials ug labs get. they might be told they are getting 100grams of this or that.. but its 50 or 75 grams and then filler.. which sux and is a little scary too...

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Agreed. All UG's are not created equal though. A few of them are super close to pharm grade IMHO.

 

[stevesmi]

find a UG that works for you and ride them until they fail you and move on. and do your DD.. just like buying a car or anything else.. with the internets it is foolish to screw people when it comes to any product, i always check reviews online before buying a product or using a service.... and i will point blank ask them "how come you have a complain on BBB or why did this person give you 1 star on google reviews?" and see what they say.

 

[Nelson Montana]

find a UG that works for you and ride them until they fail you and move on. and do your DD.. just like buying a car or anything else.. with the internets it is foolish to screw people when it comes to any product, i always check reviews online before buying a product or using a service.... and i will point blank ask them "how come you have a complain on BBB or why did this person give you 1 star on google reviews?" and see what they say.

The problem with that is; most people will only write a review if they love or hate something -- and sometimes they hate something for a completely illogical reason. On the other hand, I've heard people rave about labs that I'm certain are underdosed. But again, the stuff is real, just weak, but if you take enough, it's going to work.

 

[Mh48500]

The problem with that is; most people will only write a review if they love or hate something -- and sometimes they hate something for a completely illogical reason. On the other hand, I've heard people rave about labs that I'm certain are underdosed. But again, the stuff is real, just weak, but if you take enough, it's going to work.

Even worse is a forum that will rave about a lab WHEN it is SUPER underdosed. Thats what led me here to Elite, great people, moderators, and very unbiased information.... The largest forum here in Mexico is basically a pusher for one of the main labs down here. Their product is/was absolute garbage. I ordered Sust and Dbol, the Dbol was so bad that I literally was taking 8- 20mg pills a day with zero effect. Same with the Sust, it must have been pure oil. Since human grade Sust is available at the pharmacy I ran cycles over a 2 year period with HG and coud tell the difference. I only switched because the pharma is more expensive, but in the end I homebrew now.

 

[Seattleborn206]

I've only used ug so it's hard so me to say which is better but I know if I had the chance to run hg even if I cost more I would go with the hg just cuz I would know for sure what I was getting

 

[gymjunkie09]

The ug I go through is money....never had any complaints everything has been on point

 

[mammalspod]

My experience differs from this. I currently have pharm test e and UG test undecanoate and I'm pretty sure the UG stuff is OVERdosed. My speculation is that the higher solvent content of UG gear causees it to have a shorter half life. I remember reading in a study somewhere that the oil vehicle affected delivery time greatly. Maybe this makes a lower percentage of the injection utilized. When I use UG stuff I get the longest ester and inject more often based on this presumption (hence the undecanoate, even that I go every 3).

 

[gymjunkie09]

My experience differs from this. I currently have pharm test e and UG test undecanoate and I'm pretty sure the UG stuff is OVERdosed. My speculation is that the higher solvent content of UG gear causees it to have a shorter half life. I remember reading in a study somewhere that the oil vehicle affected delivery time greatly. Maybe this makes a lower percentage of the injection utilized. When I use UG stuff I get the longest ester and inject more often based on this presumption (hence the undecanoate, even that I go every 3).

Yeah its like rolling dice, your gear could be underdosed, or it could be overdosed. I found a reliable source and stuck with it why change what works?

 

[TheRippedReverend]

I c no difference in ug and pharm I will say joeblow makes test at 200 and calls it test 250 so u do 400 ah week big difference in if it were 500 ah week. The truth is ppl probly get greedy instead of burning 12.5 grams for 60ml at 250 you could just use 6 grams for 60ml at 200.

I think alot of what ppl are stipulating is false bc raw powder comes from a lab so how can it not be as effective?

Imo its the maker.

 

[bluetoolpaul]

I've run doses upwards of. Almost 2 grams stacking shit a week. Best results I ever got was off 400mg a week of prescript test and 300mg of deca.. It was amazing. But, I now make due w/ what I can get.

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[UA_Iron]

Depends on the lab. Nothing crazier than that really. It's all volumetric equations anyway. In fact, all you need is a decently accurate scale and a graduated cylinder and you can make gear to ±5% easy.

 

[igomad]

i will never go back to using UGL shit. I am using pharm grade test and primo and I homebrew my EQ and masteron

from my experience 500mg of pharm grade test per week gives me better results than any UGL gear at 1g per week
not to mention the possibility of infection, heavy metal contamination or getting a completely different substance

My mates once had some winstrol tabs which everyone was saying how freaking awesome they were, how it cut em up better than anything etc .. So we got em tested in a chem lab at our uni. Turns out more than half of the actual tabs was freakin clenbuterol with a little winstrol added ...

 

[gym69]

Why you order from china

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[moya]

The ug I go through is money....never had any complaints everything has been on point

agreed... the lab ive been using since the beginning of the year is on point with everything... i can only compare the test to the pharm grade and it stacks up, as thats the only pharm grade aas ive had the opportunity to use... but their other aas do what they are supposed to so i have no doubt it is what the label describes...

 

[doublebicep]

The same goes for orals. Ask guys who were around when dbol was legal. Two freakin' 5mg pills a day was all you needed! Today, you got guys using 50mgs and asking if they should up the dosage.

Absolutely and yet when I talk about it I just get "they were just lying". Well, I made hugh gains off of 10mg a day and my buddies where being honest. I know because we all had the same doc prescribing them.

Also, I never heard of anyone taking 40 - 60mg of dbol a day in the 70's and 80's.






-db-

 

[1Rhino1]

Here is the problem with UGL's; you wont ever know if it is under-dosed or not! The only way to have certain consistency is to get a script or make it yourself. That being said, I brewed for a gang of Russians one time; they told me that
I better be damn sure that it was doses over 300 mg/ml, period. They sent me exactly what I was supposed to fit and I did it. There are some UGL's that are legit and I really feel like you can do well with some of them. You need to just pick and choose wisely. I have had some good times over the years but the best times are the ones I did myself. I know exactly how clean the area was, I know exactly what is in there as well, I have never had a problem internally from mine own. Just a thought for you

 

[banana monkey]

my experience with ug labs has been fairly good. I do my research and take bloods at least 4 times a year... you need to remember they are in business to make money so the worse thing they could do is risk all by being cheap. my one guy had an issue but made very good on it and im still with him today....

 

[H_T_]

Idk. Whenever I did steroids, it felt like I was on steroids. I never went apeshit on them , but I got pretty damn big for what I did take. I guess that's why I never questioned it. And your business is built on reputation. One person calls you a scam and that's it.

 

[hurricane]

It depends on the ugl really.But ugl brands are all over the place.. some underdosed, some are bunk..some select scam.When you get pharma grade, it takes the guessing game out. But i must say if you find a good ugl, you shouldnt be to far off

Ugl's are known to sell fake primo and var especially.the expensive stuff.