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U.S. soldiers fire into van carrying 13 women and children

this shit is what happens when you have suicide bombers.

as much as i hate to say it, when you have a driver who is gunning it towards a checkpoint and refuses to stop, what the fuck do you do? hesitate due to the fact women and children are in there, and run the risk of sacrificing your and your friends lives? or do you fire, and run the risk of killing potential innocents.....its a tough call, but i challenge anyone to say as a soldier youn would do different. truly a sad day for all involved...i knew shit like this WOULD happen if they went to war. i hope the soldier wasnt just trigger happy.....but i also hope the driver didnt have alterior motives....



on another note, why arent these guys using stingers (i,e, the chained spikes the police use to stop a car as opposed to the SA missile).....it would stop any cars and allow more control to be exerted over the situation. stun grenades, tear gas....all good once the vehicle has been halted? military guys whaddya think?
 
I just saw this. I wonder what the full story is.

This is exactly the kind of tradegy the Iraqi command was trying to facilitate when they started in with the fake civilian/surender attacks.
 
You don't stop you die! Simple as that! Kill or be Killed! As 2thick said War is hell!
 
They fired warning shots and the van didn't stop. Then they shot the engine and the van didn't stop. So they shot the passengers.

Now every nitwit in the middle east will use this as proof that the US wants to commit genocide against muslims.
 
tear gas....all good once the vehicle has been halted? military guys whaddya think?
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Tear Gas is considered a Chemical Weapon in the rules of war! Stupid as it seems we follow that rule! And tear gas should be used! Fucking UN and Geneva Convention need to their head out of their ass when it comes to Tear Gas!
 
Fuck this is just what Sadaam wants. Dead innocents lead to suicide bombers on westererns. It is hard to see anything good from this war so far; civilians dying and Sadaam chillin' in his bunker.
 
danielson said:
on another note, why arent these guys using stingers (i,e, the chained spikes the police use to stop a car as opposed to the SA missile).....it would stop any cars and allow more control to be exerted over the situation.
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That's a good idea to look into. However, spike fail to stop vehicles quite often.
 
Breaking news!

2Thick blames the US for the crucifixion of Jesus Christ!!!
 
really those marines did what they had to do. they have to treat every vehicle like it was full of guys with guns. it's very unfortunate though.
 
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i hope they can figure somethig out, or else stuff like this is gonna keep happening and you KNOW the arab news agencies (minus maybe al-jazeera) will exploit this shit
 
really those marines did what they had to do. they have to treat every vehicle like it was full of guys with guns. it's very unfortunate though.
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You know if they didnt do that in a couple of days a van loaded with woman and children would be used for cover for a suicide mission!

I suspect C4 carrying Camels are next! No joke! They have been used before and I suspect they along with other animals (Donkeys and the like) will be used as they have been before!
 
You run a stop sign in your neighborhood, you get a ticket.

You run a stop sign in a war zone, you get blasted.

Simple logic.
 
i hope they can figure somethig out, or else stuff like this is gonna keep happening and you KNOW the arab news agencies (minus maybe al-jazeera) will exploit this shit
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This is why PC wars are use less! It is only a late 21st century invention by the American Globalist factions!
 
the way reporting usually goes:

today- uhmmmmm...they ran the checkpoint, so we had to fire

tomorrow (after some public outrage) - women and children were ALLEGEDLY carrying what SEEMED to be machine guns, so naturally soldiers opened fire

couple of days after (after some more public outrage) - soldiers found something that APPEARED to be barrels full of chemical weapons in the van

couple of weeks after (its all quite now, they bougth the chem weapons story, nobody cares anymore) - psycho soldier at the checkpoint got pissed off the way they were looking at him and opened fire
 
the way reporting usually goes:

today- uhmmmmm...they ran the checkpoint, so we had to fire

tomorrow (after some public outrage) - women and children were ALLEGEDLY carrying what SEEMED to be machine guns, so naturally soldiers opened fire

couple of days after (after some more public outrage) - soldiers found something that APPEARED to be barrels full of chemical weapons in the van

couple of weeks after (its all quite now, they bougth the chem weapons story, nobody cares anymore) - psycho soldier at the checkpoint got pissed off the way they were looking at him and opened fire
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Sometimes I wish you would run a checkpoint! But I don't think War canoes can run on land! Just an observation!
 
Centurion said:
the way reporting usually goes:

today- uhmmmmm...they ran the checkpoint, so we had to fire

tomorrow (after some public outrage) - women and children were ALLEGEDLY carrying what SEEMED to be machine guns, so naturally soldiers opened fire

couple of days after (after some more public outrage) - soldiers found something that APPEARED to be barrels full of chemical weapons in the van

couple of weeks after (its all quite now, they bougth the chem weapons story, nobody cares anymore) - psycho soldier at the checkpoint got pissed off the way they were looking at him and opened fire
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I think the "psycho soldier" scenario you describe is about as likely to be true as the "barrels full of chemical weapons" story.

The van could have been carrying 13 people selling girl scout cookies - the soldiers still made the decision to take action that they believed may have very well prevented the deaths of themselves and their buddies.

From the events described, whether any weapons are found or not, they were justified.
 
Hi! My Name is DCup and I am on Lithium.
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Mind Drug free bro! I would not want to alter the superior synapses in-between my neurons in my cerebrum!
 
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/31/sprj.irq.van.shooting/index.html

"...soldiers from the U.S. Army 3rd Infantry Division -- manning a checkpoint on Route 9 near Najaf --motioned for an approaching van to stop, but were ignored by the driver, the statement said.

The soldiers fired warning shots into the air which also were ignored and then shot at the vehicle's engine, "but it continued moving toward the checkpoint," the statement said. Soldiers were unable to see into the van."

sooooooo...they had enough time, first to make sure that it wouldnt stop, to shoot in the air, to shoot at the engine, to shoot at the passangers and they were still so far away that they couldnt see the van was full of women and kids (typical suicide bombing package, eh)

so they either motioned for an approching van to stop some 200 meters away(hmmmmmm), or van was going 10/hour while they were shooting at it planning to run a checkpoint (hmmmmmmm), or somebody was triggerhappy and didnt give two shits about "sandniggers" (HMMMMMMMMMMMM)

i dont know about you, but i wouldnt want to be "liberated" if this is next couple of years of "freedom"

bottom line :
fact- women and kids full of bullets
alleged reports - everything else
 
Centurion said:
sooooooo...they had enough time, first to make sure that it wouldnt stop, to shoot in the air, to shoot at the engine, to shoot at the passangers and they were still so far away that they couldnt see the van was full of women and kids (typical suicide bombing package, eh)
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Lets put your ass at that gate. You make the call.


(BTW, my car is in my driveway about 35 yards out my open window. I cannot see inside of it.)
 
Centurion said:


sooooooo...they had enough time, first to make sure that it wouldnt stop, to shoot in the air, to shoot at the engine, to shoot at the passangers and they were still so far away that they couldnt see the van was full of women and kids (typical suicide bombing package, eh)

so they either motioned for an approching van to stop some 200 meters away(hmmmmmm), or van was going 10/hour while they were shooting at it planning to run a checkpoint (hmmmmmmm), or somebody was triggerhappy and didnt give two shits about "sandniggers" (HMMMMMMMMMMMM)

i dont know about you, but i wouldnt want to be "liberated" if this is next couple of years of "freedom"

bottom line :
fact- women and kids full of bullets
alleged reports - everything else
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You obviously have a dislike of the militiary, ironic you chose the handle of "Centurion".

I question why the driver wasn't stopping? Maybe it was done to force the attack.
 
and as for other comments "kill or be killed, dont run the checkpoint, dumbasses, common sense..."
if your town was under occupation(kinda under pressure), your wife driving your kids trying to get the hell out, panicked accelerated, ate couple of bullets along with your kids head blown off.....

you would call it tragedy+war crime+revenge comiming up....
or unfortunate incident caused by the dumbass wife???????
 
got my nickname from an old computer game, dont mind military generally

as for my opinion the driver not stopping (assuming thats what happened)- read my previous post
 
Actually, if I were unlucky enough to be born into such an environment, I would pray to God (or Allah etc...) that somebody would come and overthrow the despot de jour.
 
you would call it tragedy+war crime+revenge comiming up....you would call it tragedy+war crime+revenge comiming up....
or unfortunate incident caused by the dumbass wife???????
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Sure I would! I would call her a "dumbass wife" and would be happy, I did not have to divorce her and give her half of my assets! I could take my money and continue banging my new girlfriend!
 
You forgot this in your cut'n'paste: An Iraqi suicide bomber exploded a taxi at a U.S. checkpoint in Najaf Saturday, killing four U.S. soldiers serving with the 3rd Infantry Division. Commander of the division's 1st Brigade, Col. Will Grimsely, said an Iraqi drove to the checkpoint, beckoned soldiers closer, and detonated a bomb, killing himself in addition to his victims.
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put my occupying army ass on the gate?
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I'm not sure what your question is.

Here's mine: Assume you are a soldier in the 3rd infantry division. Yesterday, four men from your division were killed by a suicide bomber in civilian dress and vehicle.

"Iraq's Vice President Taha Yasin Ramadan confirmed that attack was a suicide bombing and promised there would be more to come."

Today, you are guarding the gate - not because your trying to keep non-members out of your club, but because you want to keep your life, and protect the lives of your buddies.

A vehicle is approaching the gate. It's a van (typical suicide bombing package, eh). You heart jumps as you remember the explosion you heard yesterday, the one that killed four of your brothers. You try to motion for the van to stop before it gets close enough to kill you. It keeps coming. You fire warning shots, hoping to god the damn thing stops! It's still coming. You try to disable the vehicle - no use. It's heading right for you.



What do you do? Are you going to let the damn thing pull up to you so you can peak inside?
 
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Everyone knows large vans that don't obey traffic laws and that are filled with children are driven by child molesters anyway.
 
On anothe note, isn't it too 'pefect' that the van was filled with women & children, as these are stereotypes of victims? Why no men? Could this have been a set up?
 
Well Seems all the monday morning quarterbacks are going to keep seconding guessing this one...Bottom line as far as I'm concerned is that they got what they happened cause they"the passengers" and the person driving were probably and I SAY AGAIN A BIG PROBABLY "meaning that it's possible it happened like this" were too blind to see soldiers or Soldier trying to wave them down to slow down...or Perhaps they could read the "Semi" International sign for SLOW THE FUCK DOWN!!!

or if one were to believe the "rumored" accounts according to that yahoo story this was a horrible tragedy....

Honestly though I pitty the children and only them. They are the only ones I'm going to pitty because of this madness we call Humanity. They dont have the choices to make that we do


But after thinking about this briefly and I doubt I will change my mind but had I tried waving them down, Firing a Warning shot, Obviously pointing my weapon at the vehicle, firing a few rounds into the Engine and the damn thing still kept comming I would have shot them too. Sad thing is those troops did what they should have and what most would have done and I bet they still feel guilty about it.
 
Uh....

danielson said:
....when you have a driver who is gunning it towards a checkpoint and refuses to stop, what the fuck do you do? hesitate due to the fact women and children are in there, and run the risk of sacrificing your and your friends lives? or do you fire, and run the risk of killing potential innocents....
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You risk killing innocents....PERIOD.

Last time we went with option #1, a Marine Corps barracks in Beruit was taken out with many dead Marines.
 
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You risk killing innocents....PERIOD.

Last time we went with option #1, a Marine Corps barracks in Beruit was taken out with many dead Marines.
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my point was i would have probably done what the soldiers in question did, and probably most here would have too. yes you;re risking killing innocents, but thats the nature of the job they are doing there
 
Centurion said:
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/31/sprj.irq.van.shooting/index.html

"...soldiers from the U.S. Army 3rd Infantry Division -- manning a checkpoint on Route 9 near Najaf --motioned for an approaching van to stop, but were ignored by the driver, the statement said.

The soldiers fired warning shots into the air which also were ignored and then shot at the vehicle's engine, "but it continued moving toward the checkpoint," the statement said. Soldiers were unable to see into the van."

sooooooo...they had enough time, first to make sure that it wouldnt stop, to shoot in the air, to shoot at the engine, to shoot at the passangers and they were still so far away that they couldnt see the van was full of women and kids

Well, that just goes to show that the soldiers are STILL, (even after losing 4 of thier own to a suicide attack), giving people enough of a chance INCLUDING WARNING SHOTS to stop when told to...

(typical suicide bombing package, eh)

See? that's where it's obvious to me that you have your head FIRMLY planted up your ass... If you knew anything about the middle east, you'd know that women and children are used as shields all the time in armed conflict. They do not have the regard for human life that we have.

so they either motioned for an approching van to stop some 200 meters away(hmmmmmm), or van was going 10/hour while they were shooting at it planning to run a checkpoint (hmmmmmmm), or somebody was triggerhappy and didnt give two shits about "sandniggers" (HMMMMMMMMMMMM)

Once again, you showcase your extreme stupidity... These soldiers are bringing food, water, medicine, and many other things to these people as the battles are over. Funny how most other Iraqis understand to stop when the soldiers tell them to... You must really hate the US... I understand that you don't live here, so that's really fine with me, but making statements about how military people should act in a combat situation having never been there yourself just shows how ignorant you are.

i dont know about you, but i wouldnt want to be "liberated" if this is next couple of years of "freedom"

Funny how the majority of people understand that they have to stop. After the first suicide attack, and threats of more from the Iraqi VP, they're lucky we're allowing ANY refugees to run away. That we are allowing it shows that the military has a heart and is concerned about the humanitarian issues involved with this war.

bottom line :
fact- women and kids full of bullets

Fact, women and children have been used before to shield suicide attacks.

alleged reports - everything else

Alleged??? Our soldiers are not firing on people at random here asshole... Jesus, they have newsmen embedded with the forces to show that we are not doing that, and still shitheads like you try to spin it to make the US look like the bad guy in every situation... Clearly, you've never been in combat, because you have no fucking idea what you're talking about. :rolleyes:
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It sucks that innocent people have to die. but thats war.

Now people will start understanding what israel has to go through Everyday on their own streets. DOesnt make it right, but its what happens when you have suicide bombers. When will the cowards who use suicide bombers realize that their actions will lead to even MORE arab and middle eastern deaths?
 
nordstrom said:
On anothe note, isn't it too 'pefect' that the van was filled with women & children, as these are stereotypes of victims? Why no men? Could this have been a set up?
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That can very well be..and this is just a case of propaganda to make Muslims/Iraqis/etc hate Americans even more.

I wouldn't be surprised if their families get paid like that suicide bomber did. Of course, the Iraqis wouldn't disclose it...
 
Are Iraqi's just stupid? I'm really starting to wonder. When a bunch of Marines are telling you to stop your van and firing warning shots, you stop. How stupid can you be? I don't think you need a quality education to understand this. The same fate will happen to any vehicle that tries to run through a checkpoint. I don't know why people are making a big deal out of this. This is standard procedure. The Iraqi population needs to just stay home and let us feed them.
 
Big deal, a few people got blown up. There is a war going on over there. Why is it that people expect the USA to win a war without harming a single civilian? Face it, people are going to die in a war.
 
primetime21 said:
It sucks that innocent people have to die. but thats war.

Now people will start understanding what israel has to go through Everyday on their own streets. DOesnt make it right, but its what happens when you have suicide bombers. When will the cowards who use suicide bombers realize that their actions will lead to even MORE arab and middle eastern deaths?
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dude, try and keep you blantant israel bias out of the topic at hand FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE!
 
nordstrom said:
On anothe note, isn't it too 'pefect' that the van was filled with women & children, as these are stereotypes of victims? Why no men? Could this have been a set up?
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Well, well, well...

Anyone watching the news today?

Apparently, it was a setup as was the car bomb that killed those 4 marines. Those people were forced to do it or have their families killed. The guy who killed the 4 marines had 2 infant children and apparently the money they received was "hush money"

Real surprise given the death squads and the Fedayeen.
 
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Ehhhm , what happened is certainly open to question

Journalist contradicts version from US soldiers

THE killing of up to ten Iraqi women and children by American troops at a checkpoint fuelled mutual mistrust between coalition forces and civilians yesterday, as the official US version of events was contradicted by a journalist who witnessed the incident.

The deaths, at about 4.30pm on Monday near the central town of Najaf, came after US ground troops were ordered at the weekend by marine and army commanders to employ new, overtly aggressive tactics toward civilian Iraqi vehicles in response to a suicide car bomber who killed four US soldiers at a Najaf checkpoint on Saturday.

They dealt a terrible blow to US hopes of winning the "hearts and minds" of Iraqi civilians.

The image of an increasingly suspicious and ruthless invading force operating on a hair trigger was reinforced yesterday when an unarmed driver speeding towards a military roadblock near the southern town of al-Shatrah was shot dead.

In Kuwait, US soldiers shot and wounded the driver of a car which burst past a checkpoint near the Iraqi border.

Kuwait said that the man was an army captain running late for work.

According to US Central Command, based in Doha, Qatar, soldiers from the army's 3rd Infantry Division manning a checkpoint on Highway 9, near Najaf, were approached by a "civilian vehicle".

They motioned for the vehicle to stop but were ignored. The soldiers fired warning shots, which were also ignored, so shots were fired into the vehicle's engine.

It continued moving, so "as a last resort, soldiers fired into the passenger compartment of the vehicle".

Seven occupants were killed, two were injured and four were unharmed, the statement said.

"In light of recent terrorist attacks by the Iraqi regime, the soldiers exercised considerable restraint to avoid unnecessary loss of life," the statement concluded.

In a markedly different and detailed version of events, William Branigin, a 'Washington Post' reporter embedded with the 3rd Infantry Division, described a blue, four-wheel-drive Toyota that came "barrelling toward" the intersection checkpoint.

Captain Ronny Johnson, who was within earshot of Branigin, radioed one of his forward platoons of M2 Bradley Fighting vehicles to alert it to this potential threat.

"Fire a warning shot," Capt Johnson was reported as saying. Then, "with increasing urgency", the report continues, "he told the platoon to shoot a 7.62mm machine-gun round into its radiator.

"Stop (messing) around!" Johnson was heard yelling as he saw no action taken.

Finally, according to Branigin's report, he shouted: "Stop him, Red 1, stop him.

"About six shots of 25mm canon fire were then heard from one of the Bradley vehicles."

As Johnson peered at the vehicle through his binoculars, Branigin reported, he shouted at the platoon leader: "You just f****** killed a family because you didn't fire a warning shot!" The report quoted officers at the scene as saying that 15 civilians were in the vehicle.

Capt Johnson's company reported that ten of them, including five children who appeared to be under five, were killed. However, later in his report, Branigin writes that several soldiers "accepted the platoon leader's explanation to Johnson on the military radio that he had, in fact, fired two warning shots, but that the driver failed to stop.

A spokesman for 'The Washington Post' said that the newspaper stood by the report. "Mr Branigin heard himself the radio transmission he reported."

Yesterday, as US Central Command launched an investigation, it was clear that any inquiry will do nothing to quell Arab anger. In Bahrain, home of the US Fifth Fleet, a front page headline of the 'Akhbar al-Khaleej' newspaper read: "Invaders commit massacre in al-Ameen area".

In Cairo, a banner headline in the semi-official 'al-Gomhuria' said: "The invading force commits three ugly massacres in Baghdad and Najaf.

Saturday's suicide bombing has had a profound effect.

Before the incident, Iraqi civilians drove through checkpoints routinely, chatting to US troops and often being handed sweets and rations.

On Monday, before the Iraqi deaths at Najaf, US Marine Command, after an army move at the weekend, issued new guidelines to troops to assume the worst and employ tougher tactics.

Central Command emphasised yesterday that no new rules of engagement had been issued, but "procedures might be varied".

Now, drivers and passengers at checkpoints are being ordered out of vehicles with their hands raised.

Any vehicle blocking traffic will be rolled over.

Civilians approaching checkpoints with their hands in their pockets will be shot if they fail to heed a warning.

Barriers are being used to create chicanes at checkpoints.

Pentagon officials conceded yesterday that the new tactics risk alienating civilians further and killing even more of them.

There is also a recognition that the suicide bombing has, for the Arab world, turned the war from a secular conflict into a holy war that resonates with the Palestinian cause.

The new checkpoint procedures, modelled on Israeli tactics in the West Bank, will reinforce that image.

Drivers and passengers at checkpoints will be ordered out with their hands raised. Cars and trucks will no longer cross through American and British convoys; any vehicle blocking traffic will be pushed aside. (© The Times, London)


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Mandinka2, you have any good articles about the millions of civilians the germans killed in WWII? America kills a few civilians, unintentionally, and germans go crazy. Lets do a run down of each of the millions of civilians killed in WWII by the nazi's so we can see how the US and germany compare.
 
primetime21 said:
Mandinka2, you have any good articles about the millions of civilians the germans killed in WWII? America kills a few civilians, unintentionally, and germans go crazy. Lets do a run down of each of the millions of civilians killed in WWII by the nazi's so we can see how the US and germany compare.
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Obviously missed one important target.
 
primetime21 said:
Mandinka2, you have any good articles about the millions of civilians the germans killed in WWII? America kills a few civilians, unintentionally, and germans go crazy. Lets do a run down of each of the millions of civilians killed in WWII by the nazi's so we can see how the US and germany compare.
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Stalin killed alot too... you forgot to mention him. Stalin killed just as many as the Nazis did
 
.... etiher way its a deal... but how the "liberal" news blows things out of proportion isnt goin to be good for moral...
 
Well, that just goes to show that the soldiers are STILL, (even after losing 4 of thier own to a suicide attack), giving people enough of a chance INCLUDING WARNING SHOTS to stop when told to...
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of course the story changed now with no warning shots at all.....


If you knew anything about the middle east, you'd know that women and children are used as shields all the time in armed conflict. They do not have the regard for human life that we have.
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as much as i follow international news i am still to see a respectable news source where they put women and children in front of tenks and whatnot

These soldiers are bringing food, water, medicine, and many other things to these people as the battles are over. Funny how most other Iraqis understand to stop when the soldiers tell them to... You must really hate the US... I understand that you don't live here, so that's really fine with me, but making statements about how military people should act in a combat situation having never been there yourself just shows how ignorant you are.
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who am i to judge how occupational army should threat locals...
by any chance, your neighborhood got invaded recently?




Funny how the majority of people understand that they have to stop. After the first suicide attack, and threats of more from the Iraqi VP, they're lucky we're allowing ANY refugees to run away. That we are allowing it shows that the military has a heart and is concerned about the humanitarian issues involved with this war.
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they so lucky, i wish i had foreign trigger happy incompetent soldiers going around my block


Fact, women and children have been used before to shield suicide attacks.
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again please educate me with a decent source, even cnn will do. i cant quite remember suicide bomber bunched women and children in running around him before he blows himself up



Clearly, you've never been in combat, because you have no fucking idea what you're talking about.
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no, i've never invaded a country

They do not have the regard for human life that we have.
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explain that to them:
http://www.marchforjustice.com/id191.htm



head FIRMLY planted up your ass, asshole, shitheads like you
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let me guess- debate team captain, obviously? or is your age a factor?
 
Well, well, well...

Anyone watching the news today?
Apparently, it was a setup as was the car bomb that killed those 4 marines. Those people were forced to do it or have their families killed
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i assume it would be on front page cnn.com
care to explain?
 
Centurion said:


i assume it would be on front page cnn.com
care to explain?
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Are you fucking kidding me?
Get your head out of your ass. It was all over Fox News- one of the head Shiite clerics was commenting about all of those reports.
 
primetime21 said:
Mandinka2, you have any good articles about the millions of civilians the germans killed in WWII? America kills a few civilians, unintentionally, and germans go crazy. Lets do a run down of each of the millions of civilians killed in WWII by the nazi's so we can see how the US and germany compare.
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Plenty , films too ,can u see Hollywood makin a blockbuster about this one or is that too much truth for your kids?
 
BTW u might wish to know that the source is the Times of London Newspaper, owned by Rupert Murdoch , who is also the owner of Fox , there ain't no German involvement here and finally the "embedded" reporter was working with the Washington Post. Is that good enough for you?
 
Get your head out of your ass. It was all over Fox News- one of the head Shiite clerics was commenting about all of those reports.
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are you making up news or...?????, my head is out of my ass, and looking at foxnews website and i they are not even mentioning the slaughter at all...i am assuming they would make a pretty big deal out of it, like you did.
care to provide a link to backit up before making such comments?
 
Centurion said:
of course the story changed now with no warning shots at all.....

I have yet to see that report, everything I've seen said they fired several warning shots. I've been in war, have you?? Do you know what it's like? I think not...

as much as i follow international news i am still to see a respectable news source where they put women and children in front of tenks and whatnot

Well, it's a known fact that Sadaam uses women and children as human shields. Do they march them in front of tanks? No, it's more subtle than that. I notice how you fail to mention how the Repub. Guard were firing on Iraqi civilians running TOWARD American troops trying to get away from the RG and fedayeen.

who am i to judge how occupational army should threat locals...
by any chance, your neighborhood got invaded recently?

Exactly my point, you're NO ONE to judge... We treat those people a HELL of a lot better than Sadaam ever did. You are failing to mention the fact that the majority of the residents in Iraq thus far have been happy to see our boys.

they so lucky, i wish i had foreign trigger happy incompetent soldiers going around my block

You are truly a piece of shit... Triggerhappy??? Incompetent??? You really have no clue what you're talking about. It's war dumbass, people die, it's evil, but sometimes it's necessary.

again please educate me with a decent source, even cnn will do. i cant quite remember suicide bomber bunched women and children in running around him before he blows himself up

Well, it was all over the news, if I find a link I'll post it, but all the news stations aired it on TV, even CNN and Fox. Here's the deal... They have to stop at the checkpoints, our soldiers shouldn't have to take that kind of risk when all they're trying to do is allow the refugees to get away from the battle. You don't stop, you win the wet t-shirt contest, period.

no, i've never invaded a country

You've never served in the military and seen war either, I'd venture to guess.

explain that to them:
http://www.marchforjustice.com/id191.htm

While that's great propaganda, it doesn't affect me, because I've seen combat, and seen the devastation it causes. However, it is a proven fact that Sadaam puts his military resources as close to civilian dwellings as possible for the sole purpose of shock value when he is attacked. The civilians that are dying now, (for the most part) are dying because Sadaam put them where they are. It is war, there are going to be civilian casualties.

let me guess- debate team captain, obviously? or is your age a factor?

Well, I don't know your age, but I'm 30. I call you a jerkoff because you're a typical jerkoff, armchair asshole who talks and talks and has no clue what he's talking about. Correct me if I'm wrong.... You know NOTHING about combat, you've never served in the military, and you're just spouting off about how American soldiers are just killing people because they're triggerhappy... That makes you an idiot, sorry, it just does...
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yes it is .I served 6 years in the army and was in Bosnia and Kosovo. I would have done the same thing. You can never take things for granted. Yes the Arab world will eat this up but they had to due what they had to do. If they didnt ahve crazy suicide bombers that killed US troops then they would have that problem

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Its a shame and sad that lives were lost.

How come this group of Iraqis failed to stop when ordered?

They failed to take orders, plus were seen as a threat, therefore they were blown to hell. This will continue to happen if there is any resistance or failure to comply with orders from allies.

Who knows, the allies probably stopped future terrorists.

Or could it be that it was a "put out of misery killing"?
 
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