U.S.-Canadian Ecstasy Drug Ring Smashed

[Atomic Punk]

There are people here who will continually take the high moral ground on rec. drugs yet happily inject 500mg's of steroids every other day. A tad hypocritical wouldn't you say?

O just a TAD, yes.

 

[guards]

A few things..the Marijuana trade and the MDMA trade are NOT the same as the Coke & Heroin trades, when speaking of violence. They are more similar to the AAS trade than those. So your point about murders & assaults is moot. Read "Blow" if you want to know why. Second of all, there IS INDEED a such thing as a victimless crime. You just won't acknowledge it because of the agenda you adhere to. You sound like a politician bro...so caught up in said agenda, that it has zapped your ability to be fair & objective.

Thirdly, about the Amsterdam thing..have you been there? I guess you brought a poll with you while you were there, to find out about Amsterdamians opinion about drugs, right? Or were you simply there for the fucking Panama Red like everyone else?

Where to begin...

A drug trade, regarless of the drug, has some inherent evils that are part of the game. Weed, MDMA, coke, heroin....the sale, procreation, and distribution of these substances doesn't exactly attract the most upstanding citizen to their corporate ranks. The crimes sorrounding drugs, IE violence, are not because of the drug use itself but rather a continuation of the distribution and aquisition of these drugs.

Are you actually going to tell me that if we legalized these substances, doesn't matter which one, that the violence associated with it will just up and dissappear? Doubtful.

Where is this agenda that i adhere to? I don't have a personal or political stake in this argument. I do, however, have a personal opinion based upon academic and personal experience. I am entitled to that.

As for Amsterdam, the majority of my family are fromthe Netherlands so the topic of the liberal dutch attitude has been discussed to death on my numerous trips there to visit them(although you are correct about the panama red ).

 

[guards]

Bro... if I can go down to the corner store and buy an 8th just like I can a pack of cigarettes, where's the criminal activity?

What about the drunk who beats his wife? The guy that blames alcoholism for the fact he raped his children?

You are correct, those two substances kill an immense amount a people. Do we really need to add more evils to our society?

Plus, even though it's black market, do you really have any trouble finding marijuana on the black market? Areyou really gonna be the one busted for toking in your living room?

They are targetting the bigger fish....and rightfully so, IMO.

 

[casualbb]

You are correct, those two substances kill an immense amount a people. Do we really need to add more evils to our society?

Whoa whoa whoa... bro... weed kills people? The worst that happened on weed was somebody ate 9 twinkies in a row and forgot to do something important.

 

[vinylgroover]

Where to begin...

A drug trade, regarless of the drug, has some inherent evils that are part of the game. Weed, MDMA, coke, heroin....the sale, procreation, and distribution of these substances doesn't exactly attract the most upstanding citizen to their corporate ranks. The crimes sorrounding drugs, IE violence, are not because of the drug use itself but rather a continuation of the distribution and aquisition of these drugs.

Are you actually going to tell me that if we legalized these substances, doesn't matter which one, that the violence associated with it will just up and dissappear? Doubtful.

Where is this agenda that i adhere to? I don't have a personal or political stake in this argument. I do, however, have a personal opinion based upon academic and personal experience. I am entitled to that.

As for Amsterdam, the majority of my family are fromthe Netherlands so the topic of the liberal dutch attitude has been discussed to death on my numerous trips there to visit them(although you are correct about the panama red ).

Guards.......i'm interested in why you guys never lump steroids and the illegal trade in steroids together with rec. drugs.

Is the illegal steroid trade somehow more honourable?

 

[guards]

Whoa whoa whoa... bro... weed kills people? The worst that happened on weed was somebody ate 9 twinkies in a row and forgot to do something important.

the drug itself has never killed anyone, I totally agree. The transactions sorrounding the sale and aquisition of killed many many people.

 

[guards]

Guards.......i'm interested in why you guys never lump steroids and the illegal trade in steroids together with rec. drugs.

Is the illegal steroid trade somehow more honourable?

I agree with you. Steroids, like any other black market substance, is no different from any other drug trade. I never specificially excluded it. I was trying to say that all drugs, no matter what they are, are party to peripheral crimes.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

I agree with you. Steroids, like any other black market substance, is no different from any other drug trade. I never specificially excluded it. I was trying to say that all drugs, no matter what they are, are party to peripheral crimes.

Thank you for making our point for us.

You write:

"any other black market substance".

What causes the crimes surrounding illegal drugs is the fact that they are illegal (ie black market)

By your very own logic: legalize them, eliminate the black market, stop the crime.

The simple and indisputable fact is this: if a substance is illegal, and people want it, crime will emerge to obtain it. We proved it with alcohol in the US during the failure known as Prohibition. We prove it today with drugs.

If you made milk illegal, there would be milk related crimes and a war on milk.

The idea of keeping drugs illegal is a backwater moralistic Puritan outlook.

 

[guards]

Thank you for making our point for us.

You write:

"any other black market substance".

What causes the crimes surrounding illegal drugs is the fact that they are illegal (ie black market)

By your very own logic: legalize them, eliminate the black market, stop the crime.

The simple and indisputable fact is this: if a substance is illegal, and people want it, crime will emerge to obtain it. We proved it with alcohol in the US during the failure known as Prohibition. We prove it today with drugs.

If you made milk illegal, there would be milk related crimes and a war on milk.

The idea of keeping drugs illegal is a backwater moralistic Puritan outlook.

Dude, that fact that marijuana or cocaine becomes legal will have little effect on the violence sorrounding it. Wait...I digress. If you made them legal, INTERNATIONALLY, you might have a chance at stopping the violence. Legalizing in one country and outlawing in another will only serve to displace the problem temporarily IMO.

 

[jh1]

the drug itself has never killed anyone, I totally agree. The transactions sorrounding the sale and aquisition of killed many many people.

The transactions surrounding the sale and aquisition of many items - legal and illegal have killed many many people.

The death is about greed and survival... not the drugs.