Tyler Liver factors CONTINUED........

[Bossman]

Three words: Alpha-Lipoic Acid it is the ONLY liver detox factor that REVERSES liver damage.

I agree with you on your statement above. But I have read of studies on the New Hope Med site that say Tyler prevents an increase in liver values when on d-bol or halo. Therefore, no reverse of liver damage is necessary, it does not occur in the first place. So I will continue to "waste my money" on the Tyler. And if I do get elevated values I will then use ALA.

 

[Dead Man Inc]

A couple of questions on Alpha-Lipoic Acid: Where can u buy it? Can u get it over the counter at say Holland and Barrett? Also, what is a typical dosage to be taken when on a heavy cycle containing orals?

Thanks!


Dead Man Inc

 

[Fonz]

Ok, I'll try to explain Tyler's fatal flaw:

1. IT ONLY WORKS IF YOU START TAKING IT BEFORE
AN ORAL CYCLE, AND IF THERE WAS NO LIVER DAMAGE
PRESENT AT THE MOMENT.

2. I am probably the expert on oral steroids on this site since I
ran them for 4 years straight.(Only orals) AND, I only used
Milk thistle and HIGH-DOSE ALA.

Now, milk-thistle is crapp. There are far better detoxifiers
nowadays; Calcium D-Glucarate being one of them.

So, what is the moral of this thread?

If you have liver damage from previous oral use(VERY
LIKELY) Liver detox factors by Tyler will ameliorate the problem but
NOT SOLVE IT!!!!

ONLY ALA CAN ACHIEVE THIS by increasing hepatocyte
regeneration..

So, what to do?

RUN LIVER FACTORS WITH 600mg ALA/day(or 1000mgs/day in
EXTREME cases), and you'll see your liver values plummet
drastically.

As a little tid-bit the Liver is able to regenerate itself even after 75%
of it has been destroyed. It is the only organ in the body capable of doing
this.

Godspeed

 

[DaMan]

So Fonz:

Since I'm about to start my first-ever cycle Monday (anavar-only), you ARE recommending I use Tyler to prevent damage, right? (I bought the stuff so I'll use it anyway, but I'd be more comfortable with your blessing so I know I didn't waste my cash )

I plan to run heavier cycles after this one, but I want to do EVERYTHING to possibly protect myself, so I'm gonna add 400mg/ALA to this one and will add some gluth for the next ones...

Anything else I could do?

Thx dude!

 

[basskiller]

Dead Man, here is a direct link to buy ALA
http://www.nutriteam.com/alpha.htm

peace bro
bass

 

[Fonz]

600mgs ALA/day is what I use and recommend.

L-glutathione+ALA is overkill as ALA raises glutathione levels
all by itself.
However, If you're running multiple 17-aa's(3-4) add the
REDUCED l-glutathione at 600mgs/day

That, plus the Tyler liver factors should do the job quite well.

Godspeed

 

[DaMan]

Thx dude!!! So for anyone else planning liver protection, here's what my research concluded:

Anavar-only @ 40mg/ed:

-Tyler @ 4caps/ed (split in two doses)
-ALA @ 600mg/ed
-at least 1.5gal/water/ed

Multiple 17aas (in my case anavar@40, winny@50/day):

-Tyler @ 6caps/ed (in 3 doses)
-ALA @ 600mg/ed
-L-glutathione @ 600mg/day
-more than 1.5gal/water/ed

***FONZ: ONE MORE Q:

How much Calcium D-Glutarate to add to either of these cycles? Unless there are any negative sides, I don't care if it MAY be overkill cuz I care about my liver - better safe than sorry

 

[Fonz]

I don't remember the EXACT dosage for Cal-C-Gluc, but
if you PM Jeff_rys he should be able to enlighten you, because
he has more practical experience than me on this perticular
matter.

Godspeed

 

[barbells79]

I think this subject should be left alone for a few days. Tempers are running high, and I skimmed over the original post, and there might have been some legitimate info in between all the personal attacks, but I wasn't sticking around to find out.

This is just one of the reasons that ad hominem attacks should not be tolerated. It turns a potentially educational discussion into a flamefest.

And I personally like all the people involved. E2, ulter, fonz, decem, etc. I just think everybody needs to cool off and then, MAYBE, come back to this subject. But only if it can be discussed without all the attacks.

this is just another reason you got my vote for moderator status. let cooler heads prevail.


peace bb79

 

[Dead Man Inc]

DaMan, I'm sorry to tell you this, but in my opinion you HAVE wasted your money because anavar at 40mg per day for an average lengthed cycle will not significantly effect your liver values. Take it anyway now u've got it but it was not really necessary. Fonz, be honest, u've gotta agree with me! Anavar only = no need for liver protection.

By the way guys, thanks for the links for ALA!


Dead Man Inc