ttokkyo busted?

[MaxBiceps]

On a side note, I gotta disagree with some of you guys. QV prop sucks ass big time. The deca and EQ might be good, haven't tried them, but the prop sucks.

 

[Adrenaline]

Even if its not counterfeit, ttokyo gear isnt all that great. I learned my lesson and im stickin to european or u.s. grade gear.

 

[vdevil]

Rumors...........

TTokkyo shit is tight..........I have used it for 2-3 years now with not too many problems but alot of this I have picked up last year and the year before. Most of the reported problems haven't been starting till recently it seems. I haven't bought any since early spring so I cant comment on any new batches.


Peace

 

[BigAndy69]

Some of you know how I feel about TT, I think it's shit. It seems to get shitier and shitier as you go North. In Canada, it's expensive and it's worthless.

Maybe I've only gotten my hands on couterfeits? Who knows.

I've seen a labe test done on TT eq and there wasn't a trace of boldenone und. in it.

Whether it was a faked TT product I don't know.

 

[Golfer18--old]

I love bashing with no proof.

 

[Slopain]

Some of you know how I feel about TT, I think it's shit. It seems to get shitier and shitier as you go North. In Canada, it's expensive and it's worthless.

Maybe I've only gotten my hands on couterfeits? Who knows.

I've seen a labe test done on TT eq and there wasn't a trace of boldenone und. in it.

Whether it was a faked TT product I don't know.

Where did you see this? Who else has seen it, get a copy of it.

I dont understand why this still happens, the gear is obviously not shit, and it doesnt magically get "shitier" as you go north, and the few counterfits are pretty easy to detect. I understand people have their preferences but to say its "worthless" is not even close to true - if you like and push a certain brand than do it, but stating that one of the highest quality vet companies in Mex is worthless and shitty has not even a thread of truth and thats not even debatable.

(and not specifically to biga The bashing thing is getting so old, people need to relize that no matter how much shit is talked on the boards it really doesnt do anything to deter sales, look at brovel which is (or was) one of the least quality of all gear sold and was widely "known" on the boards as being such and they still see very well and in the east and upper east coast I know people that will choose "big blue" over more quaility brands. Promote whatever gear you like but I think denkal's obsessive bashing of ttokkyo proved to be a backfire as ttokkyo sells circles around them in spite of all the smearing.

 

[CN1]

concerning the legitamacy of the gear

alot of you guys claim ttokkyo, qv, and others are good products, but many forget to realize, the main goal of these companies is to make money, lets give a good product at first, then slowly transition to counterfeits, the consumers are dumbasses they wont know the difference and we still get rich.......something to think about!!!!

 

[Slopain]

Re: concerning the legitamacy of the gear

alot of you guys claim ttokkyo, qv, and others are good products, but many forget to realize, the main goal of these companies is to make money, lets give a good product at first, then slowly transition to counterfeits, the consumers are dumbasses they wont know the difference and they still get rich.......something to think about!!!!

And the goal of american pharms is to cure people and not make money. Again no argument there.
The goals of the companies are to make profits thats the first rule of all for profit business's, but ttokkyo has relized from day 1 that there is more money in a quality rep and products in the long run, and they are proving that to themselves and other companies who are trying to follow their lead (QV). Loefflers products (other than the dbol) are very spotty and at best have very low quality controls, their sales reflect that.

 

[CN1]

I know u do alot of inside talking, Im not saying the products are fake, Im just saying that the bottom line is that all roids in america and mexico can possibly not be all that good, Ive had friends tell me they took american test and had better results with mexican versions.........its all a risk, you have to be a trained user, and it even helps to have connections that can test the shit for you, if there is ever any questions.

 

[Slopain]

Im not sure if I had used the inj winny back in the day first of the tabs, that was a while ago - I believe my statement was that denkals inj winny (stanazolic) and ttokkyos were very similiar in potency and that the tabs seemed more potent than both. I promise this will be my last response to you as I know you have your mind set and theres nothing wrong with that, but ttokkyo is not a crapshoot as I think denkal is also not a crap shoot. The people in your gym are not representative of the marketplace the only thing I can go on and the true determining factor is sales (not from sources or what people hear on the boards) but the hard numbers in Mexico. We can say what we like but at the end of the day the better companies tend to outsell the weaker ones (in terms of quality). That cannot be disputed.

I haven't been posting much lately but as is the case with the online thing - its always the same arguments it seems which is what drove me away from the habitial reading and posting I used to do a year or so ago, (that wasnt directed at you at all wombat just the scene in general). Anyways long story short - the original posted rumor on this thread is 100% untrue and that was the reason I jumped in hear initially. peace and love warm fuzzy thoughts

and cn1 is absolutely correct - Im lucky enough to have 2 outlets to test stuff in the states although I cant abuse them like Id like, the best way is to try and get what you have in your hands tested by a reputable lab.