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Me and my girl have made the decision to have a kid. We have been trying for about 4 months, I have been on gear since April with no breaks and don't plan on taking a break until my knee replacement surgery next February 07. Then I'm going to take about 3 months off before getting back on. I had my test levels checked last month, and they were at 21, yeah , that low. the low side of normal is somthing like 400. So, my doc said that''s why we cant' conceive. I started a cycle of 500 mg of deca and 500 mg of sustonon 2 weeks ago, with 25 mg of proviron. My doc said this would help bring my spem count up to normal in a couple of weeks or months, He's going to recheck my test levels again next month. My question is this: Has anyone had any problems with this situation and what worked for you. Any suggestions would help, I'm also taking a lot of zinc also. thanks for any help.
 
ironclaw said:
Me and my girl have made the decision to have a kid. We have been trying for about 4 months, I have been on gear since April with no breaks and don't plan on taking a break until my knee replacement surgery next February 07. Then I'm going to take about 3 months off before getting back on. I had my test levels checked last month, and they were at 21, yeah , that low. the low side of normal is somthing like 400. So, my doc said that''s why we cant' conceive. I started a cycle of 500 mg of deca and 500 mg of sustonon 2 weeks ago, with 25 mg of proviron. My doc said this would help bring my spem count up to normal in a couple of weeks or months, He's going to recheck my test levels again next month. My question is this: Has anyone had any problems with this situation and what worked for you. Any suggestions would help, I'm also taking a lot of zinc also. thanks for any help.
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I'll help the cause mate....gimme your address.
 
ironclaw said:
Me and my girl have made the decision to have a kid. We have been trying for about 4 months, I have been on gear since April with no breaks and don't plan on taking a break until my knee replacement surgery next February 07. Then I'm going to take about 3 months off before getting back on. I had my test levels checked last month, and they were at 21, yeah , that low. the low side of normal is somthing like 400. So, my doc said that''s why we cant' conceive. I started a cycle of 500 mg of deca and 500 mg of sustonon 2 weeks ago, with 25 mg of proviron. My doc said this would help bring my spem count up to normal in a couple of weeks or months, He's going to recheck my test levels again next month. My question is this: Has anyone had any problems with this situation and what worked for you. Any suggestions would help, I'm also taking a lot of zinc also. thanks for any help.
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ur doc is retarded. . .while exogenous test can increase motility. . .it will suppress production. . .
 
If you have been on for so long how can your test level be 21? Did you come off for a while to get your levels checked? How is putting you back on test and deca going to bring up your sperm count?

Get off the gear.
Get on HCG.
Get on Clomid.

You need to do a proper PCT and get your natty test levels up. Stay on the clomid it will help with your sperm count.
 
LOL wow well what did you expect? Seriously, I agree that your doc is a tard. You need to come off gear and do some PCT to get your natural levels up.
 
Have you seriously examined what your life will be like with a child??? If your relationship w/ you old lady is anything less than perfect, you have a nasty 18 yr trip ahead of you. Hell, even if your relationship is perfect-it will still be an ongoing challenge to raise the kid right. I think most people end up having kids because 1) They're too stupid to know how to use birth control properly and/or 2) They have an idealistic, completely unrealistic vision of what parenthood entails.

People imagine dressing their daughter in pretty clothes, or playing catch with their son. They don't think about being awoken at 2 a.m. by a sick, screaming kid who just threw up all over the bed, and who doesn't give a shit that you have to get up for work in four hours. They don't think about the mortgage company threatening to foreclose, or the electricity being shut off, because the husband can't pay all the bills on one income.

More people should think about these things, and fewer people should be having children. Parenthood should be left to those few couples who are willing to take the good with the bad.


The thing about 90% of most women that become mothers is that their twat stretches out and they get a big gut. They started eating for two, and they find they like it. So it's twinkies and m&ms all day. Then they run up the mastercard buying the Tova Borgnine wrinkle cream and the Bob Bowersox spatchela collection from QVC which they watch all day. So you come home from your day at work, and you see this fat fuck in polyester stretch pants. "I took Dakota to the doctor and he has ADD. And Ashleigh has the flu and I think I have a scratchy throat too. And the voyager makes a ping ping sound so you have to take it down to the garage. And I think I damaged the springs under the front seat when I loaded my 400 lb ass onto it while strapping and unstrapping and adjusting and unadjusting the rear facing child safety seats while it took me 45 minutes to load and unload the screaming little treasures in and out of the car."

Oh yeah-sign me up for that!!!!
 
BigCracker said:
Have you seriously examined what your life will be like with a child??? If your relationship w/ you old lady is anything less than perfect, you have a nasty 18 yr trip ahead of you. Hell, even if your relationship is perfect-it will still be an ongoing challenge to raise the kid right. I think most people end up having kids because 1) They're too stupid to know how to use birth control properly and/or 2) They have an idealistic, completely unrealistic vision of what parenthood entails.

People imagine dressing their daughter in pretty clothes, or playing catch with their son. They don't think about being awoken at 2 a.m. by a sick, screaming kid who just threw up all over the bed, and who doesn't give a shit that you have to get up for work in four hours. They don't think about the mortgage company threatening to foreclose, or the electricity being shut off, because the husband can't pay all the bills on one income.

More people should think about these things, and fewer people should be having children. Parenthood should be left to those few couples who are willing to take the good with the bad.


The thing about 90% of most women that become mothers is that their twat stretches out and they get a big gut. They started eating for two, and they find they like it. So it's twinkies and m&ms all day. Then they run up the mastercard buying the Tova Borgnine wrinkle cream and the Bob Bowersox spatchela collection from QVC which they watch all day. So you come home from your day at work, and you see this fat fuck in polyester stretch pants. "I took Dakota to the doctor and he has ADD. And Ashleigh has the flu and I think I have a scratchy throat too. And the voyager makes a ping ping sound so you have to take it down to the garage. And I think I damaged the springs under the front seat when I loaded my 400 lb ass onto it while strapping and unstrapping and adjusting and unadjusting the rear facing child safety seats while it took me 45 minutes to load and unload the screaming little treasures in and out of the car."

Oh yeah-sign me up for that!!!!
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K to you bro I just copy and pasted that shit! Will be sending to several of my bros and also will be required reading for the wife.
 
Too bad your parents didn't think that way then we wouldn't have too read your rants.................bigcracker I have 5 and own a 3500 sq ft home my own business and my wife weighs 118, as far as the snatch anyone who's ever had any knows you can't hurt one of those things...........
 
Snarling Force said:
K to you bro I just copy and pasted that shit! Will be sending to several of my bros and also will be required reading for the wife.
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I challenge any guy to approach a single mom and hit on her. I'll give you $100 if she doesn't mention how tired she is in the first 10 sentences(tweekers and crackheads excluded). Now of course this is to be expected if she works full time and is responsible about her parenting. However, it's usually grandma and grandpa that primarily take care of the kid and she's just tired from picking up their slack. Then as soon as the kid is in bed, she's out on the prowl for some chump to sponge off of to make her life easier. Anyway the point I'm trying to make is that if some chick is bitching about how tired she is when she first meets you try to imagine how much energy she'll have left for sex at the end of the day after dating her 6 months. I can only imagine this would be worse for couples that have been together awhile where the guy is tolerant of being denied sex(poor bastards). Most guys will say their sex life is cut by 50% once kids are in the mix. So if you like sex, kids aren't for you.
 
motodawg said:
Too bad your parents didn't think that way then we wouldn't have too read your rants.................bigcracker I have 5 and own a 3500 sq ft home my own business and my wife weighs 118, as far as the snatch anyone who's ever had any knows you can't hurt one of those things...........
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Even a blind squirrel gets a nut once in awhile. Just cuz it's all Beaver Cleaver in the hood at your place does not mean it's the norm. In fact your situation is either a result of pre existing independent wealth, or carefullly thought out family planning that most people are just plain too ignorant to figure out.

As far as the snatch goes, maybe you are just Ron Jeremy enough that she's tight no matter what exited her vagina in the past-but I assure you most guys will say the post birth pussy is never the same and blow jobs are non existent.

I wish I had a dollar for every guy that tells me how great his gains in the gym have been since his old lady had kids. When I ask why they say because their life is such a ballbuster at home with the kids, they easily spend twice the amount of time working out than they did before becoming a parent. So if you're looking forward to going home to a house with no peace and quiet every night-more power to ya.
 
BigCracker said:
I challenge any guy to approach a single mom and hit on her. I'll give you $100 if she doesn't mention how tired she is in the first 10 sentences(tweekers and crackheads excluded). Now of course this is to be expected if she works full time and is responsible about her parenting. However, it's usually grandma and grandpa that primarily take care of the kid and she's just tired from picking up their slack. Then as soon as the kid is in bed, she's out on the prowl for some chump to sponge off of to make her life easier. Anyway the point I'm trying to make is that if some chick is bitching about how tired she is when she first meets you try to imagine how much energy she'll have left for sex at the end of the day after dating her 6 months. I can only imagine this would be worse for couples that have been together awhile where the guy is tolerant of being denied sex(poor bastards). Most guys will say their sex life is cut by 50% once kids are in the mix. So if you like sex, kids aren't for you.
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This describes my last relationship 100% with a single mother. WHAT THE FUCK WAS I THINKING!
 
I can't beleive some of the replies to this question. Some people are so fucking immature. Then you wonder why people flip out. Would you say send her over here so I can fuck her if you were in his face? Fucking retards who know that there is no way he could find you and confront you. That's why you say what you say. But anyway, get off the gear and start your PCT. That will be the best and probably the only way you'll be able to get her pregnant right now.
 
Ulter said:
Married 12 years, 11 year old son, and none of that applies to my life or anyone I know. Sorry bunch of people you know.
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You must live in Mayberry then??? How do you know if your friends are happily married w/ kids? These days everybody's so concerned with trying to appear perfect that people rarely see the true life ugliness underneath. My parent were married 20 yrs and hated each other and I was beaten so often that by todays standards I'd have been put in a foster home and my parents arrested. My grade school teachers never expected anything about my abuse-in spite of the fact that all the signs were there. I regularly had bruises and smashed fingertips from getting beaten with a wooden spoon or hit on the knuckles with a hairbrush handle til I bled, pinched, kicked down the stairs, flicked earlobes-you name it. As I got older I had black eyes and busted lips from my neurotic mother that I'd tell everyone they were from wrestling/football practice. The entire neighborhood thought we were the model family, but behind closed doors we were anything but. The only person that wasn't surprised when they divorced was me-and my mom was kind enough to serve my dad with divorce papers less than 24 hrs after the last mortgage payment on the house was made. Nothin like working 20 yrs to pay for a house just to have to move out and go rent and apartment.

Now I realize my thought process may be a little jaded due to my colorful past, but to think you know what's going on behind a family's closed doors is ludicrous. It's quite often that things are not what they appear to be . The only people that think otherwise
 
No Chicago, long way from Mayberry, sparky.
I'm in Florida right now.

I've been married 3 times. This is my wife for the last 12 years. She doesn't look anything like you described. Sucks to be you.
I don't doubt you had a messed up life. But you sure like to lay a lot blame for your situations off on everyone else.

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BigCracker said:
You must live in Mayberry then??? How do you know if your friends are happily married w/ kids? These days everybody's so concerned with trying to appear perfect that people rarely see the true life ugliness underneath. My parent were married 20 yrs and hated each other and I was beaten so often that by todays standards I'd have been put in a foster home and my parents arrested. My grade school teachers never expected anything about my abuse-in spite of the fact that all the signs were there. I regularly had bruises and smashed fingertips from getting beaten with a wooden spoon or hit on the knuckles with a hairbrush handle til I bled, pinched, kicked down the stairs, flicked earlobes-you name it. As I got older I had black eyes and busted lips from my neurotic mother that I'd tell everyone they were from wrestling/football practice. The entire neighborhood thought we were the model family, but behind closed doors we were anything but. The only person that wasn't surprised when they divorced was me-and my mom was kind enough to serve my dad with divorce papers less than 24 hrs after the last mortgage payment on the house was made. Nothin like working 20 yrs to pay for a house just to have to move out and go rent and apartment.

Now I realize my thought process may be a little jaded due to my colorful past, but to think you know what's going on behind a family's closed doors is ludicrous. It's quite often that things are not what they appear to be . The only people that think otherwise
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I'll agree with the (behind closed doors) statement. Everything isn't what it appears to be.
 
BigCracker said:
Even a blind squirrel gets a nut once in awhile. Just cuz it's all Beaver Cleaver in the hood at your place does not mean it's the norm. In fact your situation is either a result of pre existing independent wealth, or carefullly thought out family planning that most people are just plain too ignorant to figure out.

As far as the snatch goes, maybe you are just Ron Jeremy enough that she's tight no matter what exited her vagina in the past-but I assure you most guys will say the post birth pussy is never the same and blow jobs are non existent.

I wish I had a dollar for every guy that tells me how great his gains in the gym have been since his old lady had kids. When I ask why they say because their life is such a ballbuster at home with the kids, they easily spend twice the amount of time working out than they did before becoming a parent. So if you're looking forward to going home to a house with no peace and quiet every night-more power to ya.
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Pre-existing wealth my dad was a tire builder my grandfather ran a saw mill. This is a nowhere conversation with a nobody i won't make the same mistake again..enjoy your life bro i wish you the best...............
 
ironclaw said:
Me and my girl have made the decision to have a kid. We have been trying for about 4 months, I have been on gear since April with no breaks and don't plan on taking a break until my knee replacement surgery next February 07. Then I'm going to take about 3 months off before getting back on. I had my test levels checked last month, and they were at 21, yeah , that low. the low side of normal is somthing like 400. So, my doc said that''s why we cant' conceive. I started a cycle of 500 mg of deca and 500 mg of sustonon 2 weeks ago, with 25 mg of proviron. My doc said this would help bring my spem count up to normal in a couple of weeks or months, He's going to recheck my test levels again next month. My question is this: Has anyone had any problems with this situation and what worked for you. Any suggestions would help, I'm also taking a lot of zinc also. thanks for any help.
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I've been trying to get your g.f. pregnant too, but she only lets me stick it in her stink star.
 
bigcracker, You seem very jaded by life. Perhaps rightfully so. However, much of what happens in life is attitude, if you think its going to suck it will. Having a more positive outlook might make life a little lighter and sunnier.

was surprised by some of the comments in this thread, particularly those towards you.

you might want to keep in mind that not everyone has the same experiences, and beleiving that they do may be keeping you from having better interpersonal relationships.

just some thoughts. (no judgement, because if you wish to be jaded thats certainly your right)
 
Ulter said:
No Chicago, long way from Mayberry, sparky.
I'm in Florida right now. I've been married 3 times. This is my wife for the last 12 years. She doesn't look anything like you described. Sucks to be you.
I don't doubt you had a messed up life. But you sure like to lay a lot blame for your situations off on everyone else.
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Dude, glad yer wife isn't a pain in the ass. Once again-even a broken clock tells the correct time 2x a day. You and you social circles are the exception.

And who am I blaming for what? I'm not bitching. I'm a happy guy for the most part. I've never worked more than 25 hrs a week in my life and I make 6 figs a year. How else would I be able to post here so much at all times of day and night if I was a workin man w/ kids? It weould've been nice to have a normal childhood, but if I knew as a child what was waiting for me as an adult today I'd have taken each needless beating with a smile. I do what I want, when I want, with who I want, without ever being questioned. If I wanna take gear I do. If I wanna fuck some slut 1/2 my age I will. 99% of the married guys I know would switch places with me anytime. So please explain to me how my "situation" that you know very little about is something I blame on everyone else? It's not like I'm sitting here crooning about my X number of failed marriages and the negative psychological impact it has on my X number of children. The guilt would eat me alive.

It's a shame that people criticise me for not making the critical mistakes the majority of people make with their lives-unplanned children, divorce, bankruptcy, etc. It's almost like you people would think I'm more normal if I was working on divorce #2 at least-and you'd be right. I'm not normal cuz I haven't fucked up I guess?

Damn, sucks to be me. Let's see whats on the agenda today? Hmmmm... a few biz related phone calls, run a few errands, tan, train, hit the grocery store for some steak, make a semen deposit in my latest 24 yr old hottie w/ a body, eat, go home watch cable, post on EF, eat, sleep, wake up when I feel like it. The day after won't be much different. Damn I have it rough. I might have to squeeze in a haircut this weekend. I better check my palm pilot to see if I'm available. Freeeeeeeedommmmmm!!! <braveheart voice>.


All that I'm doing is letting guys know that they're looking at a 60% divorce rate where the laws are in favor of the girl. When I hear 18 yr old guys talking about their "starter marriage" because they know it won't be their last one it simply drives me nuts.
 
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motodawg said:
Pre-existing wealth my dad was a tire builder my grandfather ran a saw mill. This is a nowhere conversation with a nobody i won't make the same mistake again..enjoy your life bro i wish you the best...............
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You must be a democrat cuz you take a small sliver of my post and try to spin it into something I never said. When I said pre existing wealth, I also said OR CAREFUL FAMILY PLANNING--which means timing things right so you don't breed more than you can feed so you're living comfortably. So don't make it seem like I'm assuming that the silver spoon shoved up your ass is the only reason you're not married miserable and poor. It guys like you that take it the worst when wifey bangs the neighbor. You'd never even see it coming because you think you're so great it could never happen. I wish you the best in yourr 40% chance of marriage survival.
 
If it means anything to you Bigcracker, I have enjoyed reading your posts. I can only read "get off gear,get on hcg" so many times.
 
BigCracker said:
Dude, glad yer wife isn't a pain in the ass. Once again-even a broken clock tells the correct time 2x a day. You and you social circles are the exception.

And who am I blaming for what? I'm not bitching. I'm a happy guy for the most part. I've never worked more than 25 hrs a week in my life and I make 6 figs a year. How else would I be able to post here so much at all times of day and night if I was a workin man w/ kids? It weould've been nice to have a normal childhood, but if I knew as a child what was waiting for me as an adult today I'd have taken each needless beating with a smile. I do what I want, when I want, with who I want, without ever being questioned. If I wanna take gear I do. If I wanna fuck some slut 1/2 my age I will. 99% of the married guys I know would switch places with me anytime. So please explain to me how my "situation" that you know very little about is something I blame on everyone else? It's not like I'm sitting here crooning about my X number of failed marriages and the negative psychological impact it has on my X number of children. The guilt would eat me alive.

It's a shame that people criticise me for not making the critical mistakes the majority of people make with their lives-unplanned children, divorce, bankruptcy, etc. It's almost like you people would think I'm more normal if I was working on divorce #2 at least-and you'd be right. I'm not normal cuz I haven't fucked up I guess?

Damn, sucks to be me. Let's see whats on the agenda today? Hmmmm... a few biz related phone calls, run a few errands, tan, train, hit the grocery store for some steak, make a semen deposit in my latest 24 yr old hottie w/ a body, eat, go home watch cable, post on EF, eat, sleep, wake up when I feel like it. The day after won't be much different. Damn I have it rough. I might have to squeeze in a haircut this weekend. I better check my palm pilot to see if I'm available. Freeeeeeeedommmmmm!!! <braveheart voice>.


All that I'm doing is letting guys know that they're looking at a 60% divorce rate where the laws are in favor of the girl. When I hear 18 yr old guys talking about their "starter marriage" because they know it won't be their last one it simply drives me nuts.
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After reading all that twice I'm still not sure if that's supposed to be braggin or complainin'. You prefer women without a brain. You have nothing to do all day. You perfer an empty relationship and have no purpose in life. That's a life?

I'm genuinely sorry you had a rough childhood. If you were a man you'd do what I did and go out and raise a child who never knows that life. Because when you raise that one perfectly stable, intelligent, and confident child into a successful, happy person, you will have broken the cycle of bad parents.
Like I did. And then you'll look at people poor mouthin about a bad life like I do. Sucks to be them. Because they will have lived and die and wasted the air in between because they were too selfish to change anything for the people who might come after them. Nobody wants to be you. Including you.
 
Ulter said:
After reading all that twice I'm still not sure if that's supposed to be braggin or complainin'. You prefer women without a brain. You have nothing to do all day. You perfer an empty relationship and have no purpose in life. That's a life?

I'm genuinely sorry you had a rough childhood. If you were a man you'd do what I did and go out and raise a child who never knows that life. Because when you raise that one perfectly stable, intelligent, and confident child into a successful, happy person, you will have broken the cycle of bad parents.
Like I did. And then you'll look at people poor mouthin about a bad life like I do. Sucks to be them. Because they will have lived and die and wasted the air in between because they were too selfish to change anything for the people who might come after them. Nobody wants to be you. Including you.
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Very Well Said!
 
Ulter said:
After reading all that twice I'm still not sure if that's supposed to be braggin or complainin'. You prefer women without a brain. You have nothing to do all day. You perfer an empty relationship and have no purpose in life. That's a life?

I'm genuinely sorry you had a rough childhood. If you were a man you'd do what I did and go out and raise a child who never knows that life. Because when you raise that one perfectly stable, intelligent, and confident child into a successful, happy person, you will have broken the cycle of bad parents.
Like I did. And then you'll look at people poor mouthin about a bad life like I do. Sucks to be them. Because they will have lived and die and wasted the air in between because they were too selfish to change anything for the people who might come after them. Nobody wants to be you. Including you.
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I have no purpose? Tell that to all 23 of my lexus driving hummer owning employees-you know, the working stiffs like you that has their checks signed by someone like me that just sits behind the scenes and calls the shots? In fact, why don't you call them and tell them I forgot to call payroll in on Weds so they gotta wait until Mon for their checks. Hear their reaction-then tell me I have no purpose. Wanna see some grown ass adults cry? Watch me fire my 3 least favorite employees on a whim and watch how they beg me for their jobs. No purpose my ass. I'm responsible for the livlihood of 23 people-half of which have children that wouldn't be getting Nintendo Wii for X-mas if it weren't for me.

And since when is fatherhood a measure of manhood? Does this mean if I'm not producing offspring that I'm somehow a lesser human being??? I got news for ya-even roaches have kids. I shouldn't be criticized for my choice not to take on the responsibility of children. I'll be retired by age 45 with no debt. You can't beat that with a stick.

Marriage and kids foor the most part are for people that like being strapped for cash. If I were married w/ kids I wouldn't take juice because I couldn't justify spending the kid's college money/inheritance on my vanity. I also wouldn't ride a motorcycle either-It's a selfish act to have such a dangerous past time when you owe it to your kids to stay alive and healthy. Because I don't carry the weight of these issues on my shoulders I feel that I have a more fulfilling life, not less. Everyone's idea of happiness is different-I'm just pointing out what most married/child bearing families are like-because it's not always butterflies and puppy dogs like many guys think.
 
BigCracker said:
I have no purpose in purpose? Tell that to all 23 of my lexus driving hummer owning employees-you know, the working stiffs like you that has their checks signed by someone like me that just sits behind the scenes and calls the shots? In fact, why don't you call them and tell them I forgot to call payroll in on Weds so they gotta wait until Mon for their checks. Hear their reaction-then tell me I have no purpose. Wanna see some grown ass adults cry? Watch me fire my 3 least favorite employees on a whim and watch how they beg me for their jobs. No purpose my ass. I'm responsible for the livlihood of 23 people-half of which have children that wouldn't be getting Nintendo Wii for X-mas if it weren't for me.

And since when is fatherhood a measure of manhood? Does this mean if I'm not producing offspring that I'm somehow a lesser human being??? I got news for ya-even roaches have kids. I shouldn't be criticized for my choice not to take on the responsibility of children. I'll be retired by age 45 with no debt. You can't beat that with a stick.

Marriage and kids foor the most part are for people that like being strapped for cash. If I were married w/ kids I wouldn't take juice because I couldn't justify spending the kid's college money/inheritance on my vanity. I also wouldn't ride a motorcycle either-It's a selfish act to have such a dangerous past time when you owe it to your kids to stay alive and healthy. Because I don't carry the weight of these issues on my shoulders I feel that I have a more fulfilling life, not less. Everyone's idea of happiness is different-I'm just pointing out what most married/child bearing families are like-because it's not always butterflies and puppy dogs like many guys think.
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Your a car salesman aren't you? 23 Lexus driving, Hummer owning employees. Come on dude admit it! Your wife left you for a dude that drove a H1, and all you got is a H3. Thats why your so angry, and pessimistic.LOL!!
 
Your a car salesman aren't you? 23 Lexus driving, Hummer owning employees. Come on dude admit it! Your wife left you for a dude that drove a H1, and all you got is a H3. Thats why your so angry, and pessimistic.LOL!!
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Deland, Florida huh?? Stetson Univeristy???? Woodland Blvd. International Speedway?? JR's Country bar?? The Library?? Soft Tails??

Small world..
Id watch out who you are calling out.. You might run into someone you dont want to.....
 
You're talking to a guy who made his first million dollars before age 30 without college. So if you're trying to impress someone take to the bartender. Not being selfish is a measure of manhood. It's something you may never understand. You measure your life by how many checks you sign? How fulfilling.
If I hadn't lived your life I wouldn't know how empty it is. But I did. So I do.
 
BigCracker said:
Everyone's idea of happiness is different-I'm just pointing out what most married/child bearing families are like-because it's not always butterflies and puppy dogs like many guys think.
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a valid point.

believe that there have been some misinterpretations here. Perhaps everyone is not so apart as they might think.

(though as with any "most", its defined by your experience and your interpretation of the experiences around you- which as you have noted are slightly jaded)
 
macrophage69alpha said:
a valid point.

believe that there have been some misinterpretations here. Perhaps everyone is not so apart as they might think.

(though as with any "most", its defined by your experience and your interpretation of the experiences around you- which as you have noted are slightly jaded)
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Agreed.
 
Ulter said:
Not being selfish is a measure of manhood.
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this is a matter of opinion. While self sacrifice is usually required for any true relationship, it must be balanced with selfish desires. Otherwise you live only for others, which can be satisifying for some, but not in general fullfilling.
 
Ulter said:
You're talking to a guy who made his first million dollars before age 30 without college. So if you're trying to impress someone take to the bartender. Not being selfish is a measure of manhood. It's something you may never understand. You measure your life by how many checks you sign? How fulfilling.
If I hadn't lived your life I wouldn't know how empty it is. But I did. So I do.
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Whatever. Everyone on the internet is a millionaire with a Ferrari and an 11 inch cock. You've lived my life? I highly doubt it. What you know about my abilities to overcome adversity in my life isn't even a half of chapter's worth in my autobiography.

And there you go taking my rebuttal and flipping it to sound like I base my accomplishments on my ability to gainfully employ others-which I never claimed. You accused me of having a life without importance or purpose and I'm just giving you an example of 23 peeps that might beg to differ with you.

Impressing you isn't even close to being on my short list, but obviously you bragging about your millionaire before 30 w/o college status sure sounds like you're trying to convince everyone here that you know what you're talking about. You gotta protect your reputation here, so I understand.

Plus, even if you did remotely agree with me, your path has already been chosen and there's not much you could do about it anyway. You pick the behavior, you get the consequences-good or bad.
 
Ulter said:
Married 12 years, 11 year old son, and none of that applies to my life or anyone I know. Sorry bunch of people you know.
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This sounds like a shotgun wedding to me. I'd choose marriage and kids over death too. lol
 
macrophage69alpha said:
this is a matter of opinion. While self sacrifice is usually required for any true relationship, it must be balanced with selfish desires. Otherwise you live only for others, which can be satisifying for some, but not in general fullfilling.
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As I read that I can't find where you given an opposing opinion. But I'm not really sure what you're saying in reference to these posts.
 
There is no reason for anyone to make this such a personal argument... and its not productive...

does it really matter who has what or has done what?

Happiness, success, accomplishment, etc... are all relative.

thought the purpose of a discussion was to give insight and opinion from which everyone could benefit? perhaps that was erroneous, though would hope that its not....


as a note- beleive that ulter did not find, what he inteprets.... based on the information provided, the part of his life that was similar to yours... to be fullfilling. The negative tone from the beginning of this dialogue has made what might be informative for everyone.... clouded.
 
Ulter said:
As I read that I can't find where you given an opposing opinion. But I'm not really sure what you're saying in reference to these posts.
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I agree and I am glad you put him in his place. This guys spends more time flaming than helping.
I told him before he is taking too much roids. Now I understand why you so angry when making your point cracker...
 
Ulter said:
As I read that I can't find where you given an opposing opinion. But I'm not really sure what you're saying in reference to these posts.
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it is not necessarily opposing. It is a clarification. You must be selfish, how selfish is what makes or breaks a relationship.. or you.
 
qstorm said:
I agree and I am glad you put him in his place. This guys spends more time flaming than helping.
I told him before he is taking too much roids. Now I understand why you so angry when making your point cracker...
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he was not quoting BigC.... though its good to put that macro character in his place :p
 
how about you 2 actually try to discuss... the jabs are leading to either moving to chat or closure...

though this is really a chat thread and should be there anyways...but its friday.. soooo...
 
qstorm said:
I agree and I am glad you put him in his place. This guys spends more time flaming than helping.
I told him before he is taking too much roids. Now I understand why you so angry when making your point cracker...
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Put me in my place? Quit sucking the mods cock you little toadie with 159 penis pump posts. You are hardly qualified to proclaim that I flame more than help. I'm not even flaming anyone in this thread. Why can't we have a discussion without some little bitch like you seeing it as some retarded web pissing match? Change your tampon already. I'm not angry at all-but your bitch ass jumping on the Ulter inspired slam cracker's beliefs bandwagon annoys me. At least I buy shit from the site sponsors which keep this place up and running. You just take up bandwith mooching 411 that you're likely to stupid to follow anyhow.

Too many roids? At least I look like I take them unlike 90% of the guys that do. Last time you flipped me shit I asked you to post a pic so we could compare physiques since you felt I have litte to offer here. Your bitch ass disappeared like a skinny guy falling down the shower drain. So let's see em big guy? Show me and the rest of the board with your pic that I don't know WTF I'm talking about.
 
Ulter said:
If you're going to move it then just delete it. I only have 84 posts in 6 years on chat and I am proud of that. I don't want my posts there.
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There ya have it. Ulter taps out BigCracker wins. Lock or delete at will.

No hard feelings ulter-we can agree to disagree on this topic.
 
blah blah blah blah... :p

BigCracker said:
Put me in my place? Quit sucking the mods cock you little toadie with 159 penis pump posts. You are hardly qualified to proclaim that I flame more than help. I'm not even flaming anyone in this thread. Why can't we have a discussion without some little bitch like you seeing it as some retarded web pissing match? Change your tampon already. I'm not angry at all-but your bitch ass jumping on the Ulter inspired slam cracker's beliefs bandwagon annoys me. At least I buy shit from the site sponsors which keep this place up and running. You just take up bandwith mooching 411 that you're likely to stupid to follow anyhow.

Too many roids? At least I look like I take them unlike 90% of the guys that do. Last time you flipped me shit I asked you to post a pic so we could compare physiques since you felt I have litte to offer here. Your bitch ass disappeared like a skinny guy falling down the shower drain. So let's see em big guy? Show me and the rest of the board with your pic that I don't know WTF I'm talking about.
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to the original poster:

if you have been on since April, how did your test levels come back in the 20's? that would be almost impossible if you got your test levels checked while you were on...if you were off and did not do proper PCT, then i can see how...

the test, deca wont help you. they will only supress you even more.

HCG and Clomid should help increase spermatogenesis (increase fertility)
good luck, keep us posted
 
JuicedAthletics said:
Deland, Florida huh?? Stetson Univeristy???? Woodland Blvd. International Speedway?? JR's Country bar?? The Library?? Soft Tails??

Small world..
Id watch out who you are calling out.. You might run into someone you dont want to.....
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Theres nobody here I would be affraid to run into, believe me! Im a little old for College now days, but Im very familiar with the area, and Im not much on strip clubs.
 
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