Truth

[Sushi X]

is anyone else tired of their bs? i mean, the tobacco companies have paid their so called debt(they should never have had to pay) and yet these morons keep bashing them and kicking them while they are down. talk about poor winners. ok, TRUTH you won let it go. i'm sick of their stupid commercials. i'm not here to defend big tobacco, but they should not have had to pay. it's people's choice to smoke. i won't go into the law suit against the gun manufacurers, that's another thread for another day.

do i stand alone here or are there any others tired of TRUTH's crap?

 

[TheProject]

I've been sick of those damned commercials since they started. They always come off as so self-righteous. I'm not a smoker, but my dad is, and he catches enough hell for it.

I understand that they're designed to deter kids, but I think they're too much.

 

[RyanH]

Big Tobacco is responsible for lying to consumers, selling hazard products, and profiteering off of our nation's health.

Hopefully, they'll eventually go bankrupt from lawsuits.


Ryan.

 

[manny78]

the thing is in the past Tobaco companies didnt warn the customers about the risk of their products. Today its different we all know the risks so the one who decides to smoke cant blame the Tobacco comp. As for guns, its another story we all know what a gun is for. No surprise here.

 

[danielson]

tobacco companies prclaimed smoking was good for you and suppressed information about the side effects for many years. thats the basis for the lawsuits.

tobacco companies peddle products as addictive as heroin, and have said that they want to get more kids smoking (as need new customers)

any adverts that are anti smoking are a good thing as their are still far to many smoking adverts or sponsorships in the world IMHO

sadly the companies are looking to the third world and corrupt governments for their revenue now. ya know they actually give cigarrettes out free in these countries, to kids too, then start charging for them when people develop a need for them. sound familiar?....

 

[RyanH]

Would we let General Motors or Ford Motor Company sell faulty cars without being liable to consumers injured by them? Of course not....Therefore, why shouldn't big tobacco pay the price as well.

 

[manny78]

Big Tobacco is responsible for lying to consumers, selling hazard products, and profiteering off of our nation's health.

Hopefully, they'll eventually go bankrupt from lawsuits.


Ryan.

agree I'm not a big fan of lawsuits but in this case there'S no doubt its all justified.....

 

[RyanH]

We also cannot forget that Big Tobacco preys off of children, intent on getting them "hooked" on their dangerous products at a young age, so that they'll never put their sticks down.

Big Tobacco is probably the most corrupt industry in our nation.

 

[danielson]

We also cannot forget that Big Tobacco preys off of children, intent on getting them "hooked" on their dangerous products at a young age, so that they'll never put their sticks down.

Big Tobacco is probably the most corrupt industry in our nation.

philllip morris was quoted as saying advertising needs to target the young-uns in the form of sports sponsorships etc

 

[RyanH]

philllip morris was quoted as saying advertising needs to target the young-uns in the form of sports sponsorships etc

Exactly....they should have to pay to every single American family who has lost a love one on account of their cancer sticks. Have you seen the film on 60 minutes and the tobacco industry....Very telling on just how corrupt Big Tobacco actually is.

 

[Sushi X]

what ever happend to taking responsibility for your own actions? are we that far off now that anyone can sue anyone else for their won choices? this post was'nt about law suits but that stupid TRUTH crap. they are doing nothing but kicking them while they are down. you want BT to go out i want TRUTH to go first. i'm not a fan of tobacco nor do i think what they did was right but they have paid their debt and now let them do their thing. cig prices are so hight now it won't be long before people quit on their own anyway.

 

[manny78]

what ever happend to taking responsibility for your own actions? are we that far off now that anyone can sue anyone else for their won choices? this post was'nt about law suits but that stupid TRUTH crap. they are doing nothing but kicking them while they are down. you want BT to go out i want TRUTH to go first. i'm not a fan of tobacco nor do i think what they did was right but they have paid their debt and now let them do their thing. cig prices are so hight now it won't be long before people quit on their own anyway.

Bro as I mentionned nobody was really aware of the dangers from smoking shit. Now its time for them to disepear ......

 

[RyanH]

what ever happend to taking responsibility for your own actions? are we that far off now that anyone can sue anyone else for their won choices? this post was'nt about law suits but that stupid TRUTH crap. they are doing nothing but kicking them while they are down. you want BT to go out i want TRUTH to go first. i'm not a fan of tobacco nor do i think what they did was right but they have paid their debt and now let them do their thing. cig prices are so hight now it won't be long before people quit on their own anyway.

You really believe they've paid their debt? Tell us how they can bring back the millions of lives lost due to their dangerous, faulty products? Money will never fully compensate for that.......It's products liability law-----You negligently or intentionally put a faulty product out, then you pay the price....If you go bust in the process, then that's what you get for deceiving consumers.

 

[BO-CEPHUS]

Is truth a private organization or are they supported by the government?

Too bad none of these little advertisements will not do anything to stop kids from smoking. If anything, it will only make more kids curious.

Ryan, you want the tobacco companies to go bankrupt? That would be hilarious because then gov.org would also be without millions of dollars. The tax on cigarette is outrageous and I would love to see those bastards in Washington scramble for an answer.

The "War on Tobacco" is no different then the "War on Drugs".

 

[Sushi X]

common sence will tell you that putting smoke into your lungs over long periods of time will eventuall kill you in some way. now, it's your choice to do it or not. therefore, bad advertisement or not it's a matter of choice. it's not the same as buying a car. we have consumer reports to tell what cars are what and how well they work. it's a personal choice to smoke or not. i'm not saying they are angels here, they did target youth with billboards, mag ads, ect. still, place most of the responsiblity on the individualand the parents in the case of teens. no they can't bring back all the lives, neither can ford, chevy or dodge for all the car/truck accidents that have claimed lives, neither can the value jet for their plane crashes that killed people, neither can the ABC for the drunk driving accidents that lead to death. what's next sue all of them. there is a line that has to be drawn or this country will sue itself bankrupt with the ACLU leading the way.

 

[manny78]

The "War on Tobacco" is no different then the "War on Drugs".

Honestly if tobacco is legal then weed should. Whats the difference between these 2 products ?

 

[RyanH]

Is truth a private organization or are they supported by the government?

Too bad none of these little advertisements will not do anything to stop kids from smoking. If anything, it will only make more kids curious.

Ryan, you want the tobacco companies to go bankrupt? That would be hilarious because then gov.org would also be without millions of dollars. The tax on cigarette is outrageous and I would love to see those bastards in Washington scramble for an answer.

The "War on Tobacco" is no different then the "War on Drugs".

Not true.......the war on drugs is distinguishable because there you do not have organized corporations targeting youth and pursuing outrageous profits.

As for your tax argument----that would be offset by less expensive health care premiums since less smokers would equal fewer insurance claims which equals cheaper rates. We cannot forget that we are all paying the price in expensive healthcare because of the deceit of Phillip Morris and R.J. Reynolds.

 

[Warik]

Big Tobacco is responsible for lying to consumers, selling hazard products, and profiteering off of our nation's health.

Hopefully, they'll eventually go bankrupt from lawsuits.


Ryan.

"Big Tobacco" SHOULD have to pay damages to customers whose illnesses are a result of their smoking prior to warnings being placed on cigarette packs.

Anyone who turned 18 after the day cigarette companies started putting the warnings on the labels has no right to sue for damages of any sort.

Imagine I'm selling fireworks. There's a clearly visible label on the fireworks that says: "WARNING: YOU ARE GUARANTEED TO KILL YOURSELF USING THIS PRODUCT." Should I be held liable if someone blows himself up? Hell no.

-Warik

 

[Sushi X]

what do you call dealers on the streets and in schools pushing it on kids then? each dealer has a source who has one who has one and so on and eventually they all stem to the drug lords or the mofia.

 

[RyanH]

"Big Tobacco" SHOULD have to pay damages to customers whose illnesses are a result of their smoking prior to warnings being placed on cigarette packs.

Anyone who turned 18 after the day cigarette companies started putting the warnings on the labels has no right to sue for damages of any sort.

Imagine I'm selling fireworks. There's a clearly visible label on the fireworks that says: "WARNING: YOU ARE GUARANTEED TO KILL YOURSELF USING THIS PRODUCT." Should I be held liable if someone blows himself up? Hell no.

-Warik

Big Tobacco's reign of terror still isn't over. It's no secret they target youth.......I do agree that a person should have the right to smoke, but that person should be informed about its risks and should pay an extraordinary tax since their eventual death from cancer will raise our insurance premiums.

 

[Sushi X]

ryan i agree. they do know the risks, health class and parents provide that or should provide that info. but if they choose to smoke they need to take "FULL" responsibility for whatever happens.

 

[manny78]

"Big Tobacco" SHOULD have to pay damages to customers whose illnesses are a result of their smoking prior to warnings being placed on cigarette packs.

Anyone who turned 18 after the day cigarette companies started putting the warnings on the labels has no right to sue for damages of any sort.

Imagine I'm selling fireworks. There's a clearly visible label on the fireworks that says: "WARNING: YOU ARE GUARANTEED TO KILL YOURSELF USING THIS PRODUCT." Should I be held liable if someone blows himself up? Hell no.

-Warik

Agree. That makes sense. Only with those prior to the warning will make them bankrupt. And thats what I truly hope. Just my 0.02

 

[danielson]

"Big Tobacco" SHOULD have to pay damages to customers whose illnesses are a result of their smoking prior to warnings being placed on cigarette packs.

Anyone who turned 18 after the day cigarette companies started putting the warnings on the labels has no right to sue for damages of any sort.

Imagine I'm selling fireworks. There's a clearly visible label on the fireworks that says: "WARNING: YOU ARE GUARANTEED TO KILL YOURSELF USING THIS PRODUCT." Should I be held liable if someone blows himself up? Hell no.

-Warik

agreed

 

[danielson]

Ryan, you want the tobacco companies to go bankrupt? That would be hilarious because then gov.org would also be without millions of dollars. The tax on cigarette is outrageous and I would love to see those bastards in Washington scramble for an answer.

the sum of money brought in by tax is MINOR to the millions it costs to care for the guys who smoke as they all die slowly if they keep it up.

if the government sold defective heroin (i.e. mixed with ajax or something ) and people used it, would they have a right to sue? they weresold an addictive substance which is slowly likking them (i.e. ciggies)

yes ive seen the film ryan....very telling

i'd like to see them bump the age allowed to begin smoking up to 25 when there is far less social peer pressure attached to it.

ban it in all public places which are indoors

hike up the prices

promote the low tar ciggies and tach people how to smoke them properly so they dont screw up and actually get more tar from a low tar ciggie

teach young kiddies about the evils of smoking so they can harras their parents...the ultimate tool

 

[BO-CEPHUS]

the sum of money brought in by tax is MINOR to the millions it costs to care for the guys who smoke as they all die slowly if they keep it up.

if the government sold defective heroin (i.e. mixed with ajax or something ) and people used it, would they have a right to sue? they weresold an addictive substance which is slowly likking them (i.e. ciggies)

yes ive seen the film ryan....very telling

i'd like to see them bump the age allowed to begin smoking up to 25 when there is far less social peer pressure attached to it.

ban it in all public places which are indoors

hike up the prices

promote the low tar ciggies and tach people how to smoke them properly so they dont screw up and actually get more tar from a low tar ciggie

teach young kiddies about the evils of smoking so they can harras their parents...the ultimate tool

Yes, but I do not believe the government should be paying 1 cent to take care of these people.

There have been numerous studies showing that the anit-smoking campaign is a failure. Nothing unusal for the government though.

 

[danielson]

Yes, but I do not believe the government should be paying 1 cent to take care of these people.

There have been numerous studies showing that the anit-smoking campaign is a failure. Nothing unusal for the government though.

well yeah its like trying to take people of heroin....v.hard

as for the government paying for these guys.....frustrating i know. but the only alternative is to let them die....which is bad

 

[RyanH]

Yes, but I do not believe the government should be paying 1 cent to take care of these people.

There have been numerous studies showing that the anit-smoking campaign is a failure. Nothing unusal for the government though.

The government isn't paying for these people, consumers are.

 

[BO-CEPHUS]

The government isn't paying for these people, consumers are.

What do you call medicare and medicaid?

 

[Warik]

that person should be informed about its risks

They are, and besides, do you honestly think that there is ANYONE alive today who DOESN'T know that cigarettes are bad for one's health?

and should pay an extraordinary tax since their eventual death from cancer will raise our insurance premiums.

They will only raise the insurance premiums of smokers. Taxation on a product hurts the business that makes the products, which I think is wrong in a free enterprise system. The only factor that should legally be allowed to hurt a business is its customers not wanting to buy its products.

-Warik

 

[TheProject]

I do agree that a person should have the right to smoke, but that person should be informed about its risks.

Is there really anyone out there by now that doesn't understand the risks? Can anyone honestly still say they don't know that tobacco is bad for them?

To paraphrase Denis Leary, it's not like someone's going to be reading a pack of Marlboro's and suddenly say, "Holy shit, these things are bad for me!"

I know my dad's likely to die younger as a result of smoking, but you know what? It was his choice, and no one in my family is going to go crying to a lawyer because he decided to start smoking.

There are certain personally destructive products that are legal to purchase in the US. Tobacco's one. Alcohol is another. I don't believe there have been any lawsuits against companies that produce beer or liquor because they caused someone's death. Bartenders and restaurants yes, but not the companies that produce the product.

 

[alexiarenee]

I do think smoking is DISGUSTING!!!!!!!!
but, I don't really care for those commercials, either.

 

[toga22]

To paraphrase Denis Leary, it's not like someone's going to be reading a pack of Marlboro's and suddenly say, "Holy shit, these things are bad for me!"

Jeez...my parents smoked my whole life...and I knew, as well as they did, that smoking wasn't a good for you long before I could read the warnings.

My own belief is that consumers should be mostly responsible for their actions. But, from having 4 semesters in Mass Media Law and ethics...I also know that the precedents are set...and "the Big Tobacco" companies are doomed to take a large hit.

In this case, I agree with Warik...anyone that smoked a cigarette after the warnings were in place should not be able to sue for damages....period.

The only other complaint I have is concerning the special funding of tobacco education advertising. They set aside a special tax on cigarettes for this purpose. But the States report at the end of each year that they only actually use a very small percentage of this money for the purpose that it is intended. To me this means that the consumers are being taxed unneccesarily, which I feel is very wrong. Not only are they already paying a federal tax, but also state and sometime's city tax too. and I like my area to have new roads and schools too, but the money should come from the appropriate place.

That is my 2 cents, anyway.....

~toga

 

[OMEGA]

Big Tobacco is responsible for lying to consumers, selling hazard products, and profiteering off of our nation's health.

Hopefully, they'll eventually go bankrupt from lawsuits.


Ryan.

god I hope this happens to the entertainment industry