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Ruckstar,you don't know what your talking about.As it happens I do know my stuff,that's why I tried to save the guy from the misinformation.Firstly,nolva. only stops estrogen from binding to the estrogen receptor.It doesn't even stop it at it's root as clomid does,and it certainly doesn't kick in your endogenus testosterone.I didn't say that it is only for gyno,but that it doesn't bring your natural test back up.What about what I said about nolva. interfering with igf-1 release in the liver.I suppose you think that's wrong too.If you do,then you haven't got a clue what your talking about to say the least.
As for the arse,yes it is a muscle,but you don't want to over develop your arse do you(then again maybe you do).The point I was making(which obviously went waaaaay over your head!!!!!) was that by injecting a water based or esterless steroid into a muscle that you want to develop(and one you train),like umm... chest,delts,back,arms or legs etc.,then inject it there.That way you get a localised growth effect.So injecting the said steroids in the arse is just a waste of more growth that you could have.Would you do an SEO injection in your butt?? I don't think so.So get it right lad.
Also,why ignore what I've wrote?? Obviously because it doesn't agree with what you've wrote.What's the matter,don't like someone not having the same opinion as yours.Is that what it is??Seems like to me bro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
*Sighs* Tamoxifen has been proven to have a positive effect on natural test producion as it seems to increase the responsiveness of LH (luteinizing hormone) to GnRH (gonadtropin releasing hormone), whereas clomid seems to decrease the responsiveness a bit. This was set out by:

Vermeulen A., Comhaire F., Hormonal effects of an anti-estrogen, tamoxifen, in normal and oligospermic men, Fertil. Ster. 29 (1978) 320-27

Consider also that Nolvadex appears to act as a more potent estrogen in one's liver, increases levels of negative cholesterol in the body and thus results in a more desireable lipid profile in the body.

Bruning PF, Bronfer JMG, Hart AAM, Jong-Bakker M, tamoxifen, serum lipoproteins and cardiovascular risk, Br. J. Cancer 1988 Oct, 58 (4) 497-9

And finally nolvadex is best (as if a good lipid profile, a more direct and positive impact on natural test, and a potency of 3-4 times that of clomid is not enough for you) due to the fact that clomid results in annoying things like increased acne due to a 4x dose, and irreversible things like changes in one's eyesight.

Where are YOUR sources for info....your clomid source???

Oh, and the localized growth effect is so incredibly minimal it can almost entirely be acounted for by an inceased in muscle "pump" due to the shot.....
 
Where do I get my information from about clomid increasing endo. test production?? From Chemical Muscle Enhancement(amongst other places).Also from Building The Perfect Beast,and hundreds of steroid articles that I've read over the last eighteen years of steroid research.As for the localised growth effect being minimal is laughable at best.How in the hell do you account for the incredible gains seen from SEO employment??
In any case,whether or not nolva. does increase endo. test production,it's still not a good idea to use it,because of the reason I mentioned above,which is that it inhibits igf-1 release,also GH release.This is a fact.
 
I'm not going to get into a jeuvenile pissing contest here, the threads poster had his question answered, and hasn't come back. Im satisfied.
 
Maybe he has had his question anwered,but it doesn't change the fact that what I've posted are facts.Although i will concur that your right about nolva. increasing endo. test production.I got that bit wrong,but it's still not good to use it for the reasons mentioned above.This is why you don't want to keep the debate going,'cos you know you can't prove that I'm wrong on that one!!!!! Or about site injections.
 
RuckstaR said:
I'm not going to get into a jeuvenile pissing contest here, the threads poster had his question answered, and hasn't come back. Im satisfied.
Ruckstar you are the man, no bullshit and no biased, fuck that idiot who obviously knows nothing.
 
Catch Wrestler said:
Maybe he has had his question anwered,but it doesn't change the fact that what I've posted are facts.Although i will concur that your right about nolva. increasing endo. test production.I got that bit wrong,but it's still not good to use it for the reasons mentioned above.This is why you don't want to keep the debate going,'cos you know you can't prove that I'm wrong on that one!!!!! Or about site injections.
you don't know a thing obviously, the glute is a muscle in your arse, this has the most cirulation and if you ask anyone is the most effective place to inject. Spot injecting is a theory not a fact, let the pimps like Ruckstar give advice, then go try a cycle and maybe you might no your shit, clomid can cause tumors and has been found to raise estrogen levels. :evil:
 
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