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RuckstaR said:
Nolva....not clomid. I agree that HCG is unnecessary as I explained above, so nolva should be your PCT. It is going to get you up and running faster than clomid. Try 40mg for 1 week, then drop to 20mg for the next 2. Presto!
awesome, nolva is all i can get easily, so that will get the test going? could I continue the sust for the remainder with use of nolva, also you mean 40 a day for a week, than 20 a day for 2 weeks, right?
 
You got it! Those dosages are daily. Save your sust for the next cycle, it sounds like this one is kaput. Do yer PCT, take 6 or so weeks off, then plan your next one!
 
RuckstaR said:
You got it! Those dosages are daily. Save your sust for the next cycle, it sounds like this one is kaput. Do yer PCT, take 6 or so weeks off, then plan your next one!
i'm still growing with the deca and win, and the strength gains rock, just wish i could have done sust the whole time.
 
RuckstaR said:
I think we have misread your post......you are still ON cycle????
homey if you look a couple posts up you'll see that i stated im still on win deca, I'm still running deca 600 a week, and win 50 ed, unless my ass hurts too much i'll take a day off the win, this will continue for 6 more weeks. hope this clears up my cycle. thanks buddy
 
AHHH ok ok, my same advice goes, nolva pct when yer done, I just thought you were completely done already!My bad, cheers!
 
Guys guys,there is a lot of misinformation on this thread.Firstly,why are you starting with a low dose and then working up to maximum.This is severly flawed.You need to start with your highest dose and then taper down in the preceeding weeks.This is known as front loading.To get the best effects of a cycle,you need to get your blood levels up really high,really quick,then taper down.That way,you don't have to worry about the stuff "only just kicking in." Also,you can end the maximum androgen phase of a cycle after four weeks,and then switch to an absolute anabolic phase.This way,your body won't have chance to start a cortisol/estrogen response to the high androgens to maintain homeostasis.Also,by switching to an absolute anabolic phase,you can keep most of the gains made during the first phase.

Secondly,nolva. will not get your endogenus test. going at all,this is why clomid is far better than nolva.The only time you should use nolva is if you feel any sides coming on like sore nipples etc.,and only during hcg use.The reasons being are that nolva. minimizes the amount of igf-1 release by the liver,from deactivation of 17aas.This is something you definatly don't won't.Also,you need to use it during hcg use to minimise the desensetization of the hcg by the body.

One more thing,why in the hell are you injecting winny in your arse(yeah i'm British!!)??Winny should either be drank,or injected into a muscle.Because it is a water based steroid,you'll get a better localised growth effect.This is also true of any steroid that is esterless.
 
Bruce, I highly reccomend you ignore most of what was just posted, catch is wayyy off base.

Catch, you are going to get flamed for the nolva comment i'm sure, that is a very outdated and continually disproven theory to state that nolva will not help to bring natural test back to par, and is only for gyno. I'm not even going to bother posting articles. Ummmm what else, oh yes.....WTF kind of ass do YOU have that contains no muscles???? No offence, but please refrain form advice if you don't know your stuff.
 
bruce410 said:
homey if you look a couple posts up you'll see that i stated im still on win deca, I'm still running deca 600 a week, and win 50 ed, unless my ass hurts too much i'll take a day off the win, this will continue for 6 more weeks. hope this clears up my cycle. thanks buddy
Guess this changes everything! I also thought you were on Test for 5 weeks and then stopped all together and needed PCT ASAP.
 
then stopped because couldn't get hcg as planned. I don't feel shut down, i got plenty of sex drive, but don't want to end up impotent
You are not going to end up impotent bro...If you can't find what you need for PCT, the go with "Post Cycle" from Protien Factory...It will work better than nothing at all. I use it and Tribulas in all of my PCT's...But I also use HCG and Nolva first...

And as Ruckstar already said...ignore what Catch said in his post!
 
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