Tren/Test doses

[scorpio0118]

Hello everyone. I am 37 years old 6'1 223lbs 12% bf. This is my second cycle. My goal is to shred down to 9% or below here is my planned cycle thanks to the help of the guys on these forums.
1-10 test prop 75mg eod (or 100 mg eod)
1-10 mast 100mg eod
1-6 tren A 40mg ed (or 75mg eod)
1-6 caber .5mg e3d
1-10 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
5-8 hcg 500ius per week
9-10 1000ius/ week

Pct week 11-14
Clomid 25/25/25/25
Unleashed
Daa

My question.
1- I have been reading that users experience less tren sides keeping doses higher than Test. Has anyone had experience with this?

2- Is it better to pin tren A everyday?

3- do you agree with doses?

I would like to keep sides low. I will adjust tren based on my tolerance. And diet is on point. I am also worried about my cardio as I like to run 40 miles a week.

Thank you.


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[bigbassturd]

Hello everyone. I am 37 years old 6'1 223lbs 12% bf. This is my second cycle. My goal is to shred down to 9% or below here is my planned cycle thanks to the help of the guys on these forums.
1-10 test prop 75mg eod (or 100 mg eod)
1-10 mast 100mg eod
1-6 tren A 40mg ed (or 75mg eod)
1-6 caber .5mg e3d
1-10 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
5-8 hcg 500ius per week
9-10 1000ius/ week

Pct week 11-14
Clomid 25/25/25/25
Unleashed
Daa

My question.
1- I have been reading that users experience less tren sides keeping doses higher than Test? Has anyone had experience with this?

2- Is it better to pin tren A everyday?

3- do you agree with doses?

I would like to keep sides low. I will adjust tren based on my tolerance. And diet is on point. I am also worried about my cardio as I like to run 40 miles a week.

Thank you.


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doses look pretty good, no reason to pin tren every day. 75 eod is a good dose, but a little on the high side for guys who have never used it. I would start at 50 eod and ajdust up after a coupke weeks if you don't get any sides.

Your cardio is going to take a hit while on tren, nothing you can do about it but just try and push through. It will return to normal quickly after your cycle.

As far as the tren/test ratio, there are a ton of guys who will tell you to run tren higher, and just as many who say to run test higher. In reality, it's going to come down to what you can personally handle.

Test dosage has no effect on tren sides except for maybe libido, but if you are running HCGenerate like you should be, you shouldn't have to worry about libido problems in the first place.

 

[stevesmi]

nice setup man. i applaud you.

however see my other posts on why tren should be saved for later. 2nd cycle is just too soon.

 

[scorpio0118]

nice setup man. i applaud you.

however see my other posts on why tren should be saved for later. 2nd cycle is just too soon.

I totally understand your point. I will readjust to start my dose very light to make an assessment of how I handle the tren. Worse case scenario I can stop and continue with the test/ mast combo. I am bulky right now, I just need to diet down to rid myself of stubborn fat and I would hate to lose size.

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[bigbassturd]

Agreed steve. It's really best suited for guys with a few years of cycling correctly who want the cherry on top

 

[stevesmi]

I totally understand your point. I will readjust to start my dose very light to make an assessment of how I handle the tren. Worse case scenario I can stop and continue with the test/ mast combo. I am bulky right now, I just need to diet down to rid myself of stubborn fat and I would hate to lose size.

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not about handling the tren at all.. its about falling in the tren trap this soon.. why not go with primo or EQ this time around. save the tren for later on. if you start using tren you will find yourself way too dependent on it which is a shame when there are so many other AAS to try first.

if you don't care then go ahead with tren but keep in mind you will find yourself having a very hard time ever using anything else again and getting the same quick and rapid results.

 

[bigbassturd]

^yep

In honor of steve's analogy knack, I would compare running tren on your 2nd cycle to test driving a ferrari on your 16th birthday and then bringing home a honda.

 

[stevesmi]

^^^ exactly. and its gonna suck having to go back to a honda after driving one too.

ledhead told me a great analogy the other day.. he said what will happen in these types of situations is the person will run EQ or primo in the future and then get nothing out of them after getting used to tren type gains which are ridiculously overdone and fast. and then they will either have to go back to tren or they will quit training if tren doesn't work well for them. only way around that is going off roids for an extended period of time and training only natty which really a very low % of guys will be able to accomplish without losing patience .. i've felt this way myself being natty for several months especially at the gym with my strength being off and I am tempted so badly to run tren again and get that strength back, and tren was like my 7th or 8th cycle. so imagine someone who runs it as a 2nd cycle.. the only thing that has kept me away from tren is i just don't care about strength gains anymore and setting new PR's.. those days are behind me.. you won't see me even attempt close to 400 pounds on the bench and that is fine with me.

 

[scorpio0118]

Its like you guys are asking me not to eat from the forbidden fruit.

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[scorpio0118]

^^^ exactly. and its gonna suck having to go back to a honda after driving one too.

ledhead told me a great analogy the other day.. he said what will happen in these types of situations is the person will run EQ or primo in the future and then get nothing out of them after getting used to tren type gains which are ridiculously overdone and fast. and then they will either have to go back to tren or they will quit training if tren doesn't work well for them. only way around that is going off roids for an extended period of time and training only natty which really a very low % of guys will be able to accomplish without losing patience .. i've felt this way myself being natty for several months especially at the gym with my strength being off and I am tempted so badly to run tren again and get that strength back, and tren was like my 7th or 8th cycle. so imagine someone who runs it as a 2nd cycle.. the only thing that has kept me away from tren is i just don't care about strength gains anymore and setting new PR's.. those days are behind me.. you won't see me even attempt close to 400 pounds on the bench and that is fine with me.

By the way I respect this advice. This is something only people with experience can explain.

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[scorpio0118]

So are eod injections ok? Can I combine the 3 compounds in one syringe?

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[ledhead]

^^^ exactly. and its gonna suck having to go back to a honda after driving one too.

ledhead told me a great analogy the other day.. he said what will happen in these types of situations is the person will run EQ or primo in the future and then get nothing out of them after getting used to tren type gains which are ridiculously overdone and fast. and then they will either have to go back to tren or they will quit training if tren doesn't work well for them. only way around that is going off roids for an extended period of time and training only natty which really a very low % of guys will be able to accomplish without losing patience .. i've felt this way myself being natty for several months especially at the gym with my strength being off and I am tempted so badly to run tren again and get that strength back, and tren was like my 7th or 8th cycle. so imagine someone who runs it as a 2nd cycle.. the only thing that has kept me away from tren is i just don't care about strength gains anymore and setting new PR's.. those days are behind me.. you won't see me even attempt close to 400 pounds on the bench and that is fine with me.

Weeelll, I shot up enough tren to float a battleship around Remember, I said people become roid-dependent and I made that statement in relation to "all" steroids, not just tren. Anyway, I do agree that the use of tren should be postponed until an appropiate time for a lot people. Moreover, I believe that tren should be used wisely no matter how much experience a person has with it or how much experience they claim they have with it. I read some of these Tren dosages on here and I cringe. High dosages of tren are not required to obtain optimum results; that's where people become discombobulated, and then self-flagellation occurs.

I will assert myself without hesitation because that's what I do. Hence, the majority of people who weight train do not possess the muscle capacity to utilize and sustain more than 200 mgs a week of tren, it is a biological certainty.

 

[Gettingtobigformydesmo]

I did a similar cycle. It involves a lot of 'pinning' and by the end of the cycle I was proper fed up with it all. Tren was awesome but side effect were bad but tolerable, but worse than I had ever felt with other AAS. I think if I did tren for my second cycle and was not used to side effects it would be long cycle indeed.

I've done a fair few cycles to date. With myself I would have rather used longer acting esters than shorter ones just for ease as I am used to cycling and more experienced side effects. However, see how you go and how your body reacts. Monitor blood pressure especially. Your cardio will be terrible, and be prepared for hot flushes.

I'm guessing you will not be doing to much running as its tough on tren.

Good luck buddy !!

 

[scorpio0118]

I did a similar cycle. It involves a lot of 'pinning' and by the end of the cycle I was proper fed up with it all. Tren was awesome but side effect were bad but tolerable, but worse than I had ever felt with other AAS. I think if I did tren for my second cycle and was not used to side effects it would be long cycle indeed.

I've done a fair few cycles to date. With myself I would have rather used longer acting esters than shorter ones just for ease as I am used to cycling and more experienced side effects. However, see how you go and how your body reacts. Monitor blood pressure especially. Your cardio will be terrible, and be prepared for hot flushes.

I'm guessing you will not be doing to much running as its tough on tren.

Good luck buddy !!

Were you pinning ed or eod? How much did you dose?

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[Gettingtobigformydesmo]

Hi

This is what I did. So pretty much everyday pinning, and I was taking Hgh also daily.

For me it was too much. I'm using longer esters for next cycle for tren.

1-8 Tren ace 100 mg eod
1-10 Test prop 100 mg day
1-10 Mast prop 100 mg eod
1-8 npp 100 mg eod
4-12 var 80 mg day
1-12 n2guard
1-12 adex or aromasin as needed
1-12 caber 0.5 mg e3d
4-8 hcgenerate
8-12 hcg 500 ius week

Pct 12-16
Clomid 25 mg day
Postcycle/unleashed<
Forma
Daa

 

[Gettingtobigformydesmo]

Credit to joeblow for help with cycle construction. Top guy.

 

[saxon369]

nice setup man. i applaud you.

however see my other posts on why tren should be saved for later. 2nd cycle is just too soon.

Hey Steve, I did a search on threads by you and i still couldnt find this thread on why Tren should be saved for later. Can you direct me in the right direction for it. I would love to read it because I too would like to run Tren but I'm trying to learn as much as possible about it first. Thanks for any help!

Hey Scorpio, not trying to hijack your thread bud. Good luck with your cycle man, if you run a log I would like to follow along bro!

 

[scorpio0118]

Hey Steve, I did a search on threads by you and i still couldnt find this thread on why Tren should be saved for later. Can you direct me in the right direction for it. I would love to read it because I too would like to run Tren but I'm trying to learn as much as possible about it first. Thanks for any help!

Hey Scorpio, not trying to hijack your thread bud. Good luck with your cycle man, if you run a log I would like to follow along bro!

No worries, I learn alot from reading other people's threads. Will start cycle in two weeks. I will update.

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[scorpio0118]

Hello everyone I had a quick question. Maybe someone can give me some feedback. I am planning this testp/tren/ mast cycle but I am having a hard time landing some legit caber.

Until I land the caber, I was considering starting the cycle with test p 100 mg EOD and mast 100mg EOD. If I land the caber in the next couple of weeks. Do you think I can add the tren from week 2-8? Just looking for some thoughts.

Worse case scenario. I will drop the tren totally.

I am only concerned because I am dieting and running and losing muscle. So I need to be in an anabolic state asap.

Thanks

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[Jack steel]

^^^ exactly. and its gonna suck having to go back to a honda after driving one too.

ledhead told me a great analogy the other day.. he said what will happen in these types of situations is the person will run EQ or primo in the future and then get nothing out of them after getting used to tren type gains which are ridiculously overdone and fast. and then they will either have to go back to tren or they will quit training if tren doesn't work well for them. only way around that is going off roids for an extended period of time and training only natty which really a very low % of guys will be able to accomplish without losing patience .. i've felt this way myself being natty for several months especially at the gym with my strength being off and I am tempted so badly to run tren again and get that strength back, and tren was like my 7th or 8th cycle. so imagine someone who runs it as a 2nd cycle.. the only thing that has kept me away from tren is i just don't care about strength gains anymore and setting new PR's.. those days are behind me.. you won't see me even attempt close to 400 pounds on the bench and that is fine with me.

I agree with all this. But if he absolutely just had to run it for this cycle for lack of self control lol he could go with a very small dose and raise it next time around. Just an alternative option. But bottom line is the smaller steps you take the longer your bodybuilding journey will take, and personally I want my journey to last forever.

 

[stevesmi]

Hey Steve, I did a search on threads by you and i still couldnt find this thread on why Tren should be saved for later. Can you direct me in the right direction for it. I would love to read it because I too would like to run Tren but I'm trying to learn as much as possible about it first. Thanks for any help!

Hey Scorpio, not trying to hijack your thread bud. Good luck with your cycle man, if you run a log I would like to follow along bro!

its the same reason you shouldn't fuck a girl you like the first few times you have sex. cause you won't know what you are doing and will waste the experience.

once you learn the ABC's of cycling, nutrition, lifting, etc then you can put the tren to work and you will be able to take things to the next level

once you get to tren you will have a hard time going back simply because tren acts so fast and so crazy that nothing else will seem good enough. so experiment with different AAS before touching tren just like you would experience different girls before marrying 'the one'