tren heart palpitations

[cycler]

I was wondering whether someone else had a side effect from tren like this. recently i started having a weird heart palpitation from tren. I feel like my heart is beating to hard quickly and then skips a beat or two and then does the same thing. Its actually a little difficult to fall asleep at night. I was doing an intense cardio routine and it started only after i used tren for 2 week @100mg eod

 

[lartinos]

are you retaining water? how much weight have you gained?

 

[cycler]

im not retaining water and ive gained 5 lbs

 

[Snarling Force]

Your not alone bro. I've had the exact same thing ever since using turkish a bombs back in 2003. One day about 2 weeks into the cycle, the palpitations started and they have never gone away. You just learn to live with it. I've seen doctors for it and they say millions live with it and its really no big deal. Sometimes, it gets real bad, then other times it won't happen for a few days and I'll forget about it until it happens again. Its kind of scarey in the beginning but you will get used to it. I'm actually going to see a real heart doctor, not just my regular doctor, on June 11th to have a stress test done and will really find out what the deal is.

 

[triceptor]

I have had these as well while on tren only cycles. Usually for me it occurs towards the end of the cycle - around the 10 week or so thereafter.

They are Preventricular Contractions in most cases. The heart is usually already betting a bit faster - either due to exercise or excitement/anxiety. then you have a pause that really draws your attention and then a real hard deep beat - kerbloosh and then regular heart beast follow.

At my worst I would get them in the middle of the night around 2:30 AM and it would be 2 PVC's followed by a regular beat or two and then 2 PVC's, etc.

Mine have always resolved after PCT.

I believe them to be associated with either glucose uptake by the heart during periods of hypoglycemia as a result of thyroid dysfunction or directly as a result of thyroid dysfunction.

Are you running a tren only cycle?

Do you have a glucometer handy?

 

[DJ_UFO]

Your not alone bro. I've had the exact same thing ever since using turkish a bombs back in 2003. One day about 2 weeks into the cycle, the palpitations started and they have never gone away. You just learn to live with it. I've seen doctors for it and they say millions live with it and its really no big deal. Sometimes, it gets real bad, then other times it won't happen for a few days and I'll forget about it until it happens again. Its kind of scarey in the beginning but you will get used to it. I'm actually going to see a real heart doctor, not just my regular doctor, on June 11th to have a stress test done and will really find out what the deal is.

I'm on the same boat. I live with those skipped beats and my cholesterol is genetically through the roof. Grandpa had like 6 heart attacks, dad had 2, then bypass surgery twice (5 bypass). My first is just a matter of time. lol

 

[cycler]

im running tren, test, and eq

 

[triceptor]

im running trenbolone, test, and Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate -

Pick up a cheap glucometer ($20) at one of the larger pharmacies - Walgreen's etc.

Check your morning BG level and then check it when you're having these symptoms. I don't know if you're going to find anything conclusive. Its just a hunch.

Thyroid function is altered while on. TSH and T4 generally drop while T3 stays the same. There appears to be more conversion of T4 to T3 in target tissue - more efficient thyroid hormone metabolism. Perhaps an upregulation of deiodinase. Either way if this is the issue - of which palps / preventricular contractions are a symptom - be sure you're getting adequate copper in your diet as well as L-carnitine. Both have the ability to attenuate thyroid hormone action. Copper as a cofactor to enzymes responsible for thyroid hormone metabolism and L-tyrosine has been shown to modulate T3's effects directly. Don;t go overboard with either.

 

[bigmusclehead]

Pick up a cheap glucometer ($20) at one of the larger pharmacies - Walgreen's etc.

Check your morning BG level and then check it when you're having these symptoms. I don't know if you're going to find anything conclusive. Its just a hunch.

Thyroid function is altered while on. TSH and T4 generally drop while T3 stays the same. There appears to be more conversion of T4 to T3 in target tissue - more efficient thyroid hormone metabolism. Perhaps an upregulation of deiodinase. Either way if this is the issue - of which palps / preventricular contractions are a symptom - be sure you're getting adequate copper in your diet as well as L-carnitine. Both have the ability to attenuate thyroid hormone action. Copper as a cofactor to enzymes responsible for thyroid hormone metabolism and L-tyrosine has been shown to modulate T3's effects directly. Don;t go overboard with either.

wow u seems to know a whole lot more on pvcs than my cardiologist ,when he told me i was haveing these somewhat annoying heart beats he said they were just pvc.the majority of the population has them but some just dont know they do.when i asked him what causes it he didnt know, all he did say was that most stimulants can trigger the problem.so i cut back on my coffee in take lol.

 

[triceptor]

wow u seems to know a whole lot more on pvcs than my cardiologist ,when he told me i was haveing these somewhat annoying heart beats he said they were just pvc.the majority of the population has them but some just dont know they do.when i asked him what causes it he didnt know, all he did say was that most stimulants can trigger the problem.so i cut back on my coffee in take lol.

IMHO stims - especially caffeine - effect them not simply fromt eh upregulation in heart beat rate and stroke but also by disruption of the CA+ channel. Parathyroid hormone - calcitonin - regulates cellualr calcium and when you're having thryoid issues serum and cellualr calcium levels can become very sensative.

PVC's are one of those things that most physicians simply write off as annoying but not life threatening so very little is done to better understand them. There is a clear linkage between AAS and thyroid hormone metabolism. The linkage between thyroid hormone metabolism and PVC's as well as Mitral Valve Prolapse is a bit murky but is getting clearer with every new peer-reviewed study that is published.

Here's some things one can try to effect the quality of PVC's. Be sure you are getting adequate amounts of selenium and copper in your diet or supps. Don't take copper at the same time as vitamin C - C depletes copper. Brazil Nuts are the best source of selenium with an average pf 700mcg in a single nut. This will help the enzyme cascade required for proper thyroid hormone conversion (T4 > T3). And make sure you're getting adequate zinc for proper thyroid function. Oh, and of course adequate iodine or none of these will work. Also stay away form high glycemic carbs, high sodium and alcohol as these cause mad insulin spikes and may lead to a change in cellular status of insulin sensitivity in the absence of adequate thyroid hormone metabolism. See if the PVC's begin to subside.

 

[bigmusclehead]

IMHO stims - especially caffeine - effect them not simply fromt eh upregulation in heart beat rate and stroke but also by disruption of the CA+ channel. Parathyroid hormone - calcitonin - regulates cellualr calcium and when you're having thryoid issues serum and cellualr calcium levels can become very sensative.

PVC's are one of those things that most physicians simply write off as annoying but not life threatening so very little is done to better understand them. There is a clear linkage between anabolic androgenic steroids and thyroid hormone metabolism. The linkage between thyroid hormone metabolism and PVC's as well as Mitral Valve Prolapse is a bit murky but is getting clearer with every new peer-reviewed study that is published.

Here's some things one can try to effect the quality of PVC's. Be sure you are getting adequate amounts of selenium and copper in your diet or supps. Don't take copper at the same time as vitamin C - C depletes copper. Brazil Nuts are the best source of selenium with an average pf 700mcg in a single nut. This will help the enzyme cascade required for proper thyroid hormone conversion (T4 > T3). And make sure you're getting adequate zinc for proper thyroid function. Oh, and of course adequate iodine or none of these will work. Also stay away form high glycemic carbs, high sodium and alcohol as these cause mad insulin spikes and may lead to a change in cellular status of insulin sensitivity in the absence of adequate thyroid hormone metabolism. See if the PVC's begin to subside.

ok so bottom line what u r saying is that the thyroid is mainly responsibe for the pvcs?.woner if my endo should check and see if its working properly,but good info bro karma to u.

 

[enacer420nj]

im running trenbolone, test, and Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate -

good for you, you contribute nothing to this thread....neither do i actually because i never ran tren....lol

 

[gttnbig82]

This is exactly what caused my atrial fibrillation back in Dec 05. STarted as a skip, then developed into a-fib one nite at the gym. NOT FUN!!!

 

[jagerbombme]

This is exactly what caused my atrial fibrillation back in Dec 05. STarted as a skip, then developed into a-fib one nite at the gym. NOT FUN!!!

a-fib, as in a total messed up irregular hb lasting 5 minutes - possibly 12 hours? i get this. i think this is what these guys are talking about. this usually happens to me when i hit the weights hard, am super tired, have a big ass meal, and fall asleep. wake up within two hours sweating profusely and heart racing and breaks into an irregular hb. i get this when ON period, test does it. I'm off right now, pct'd and been off all anabolics or ancillaries for over one month now, started igf, within the first week had this happen. i'm scared to cycle again until i figure out how the fuck to prevent this. i love cycling and love testosterone especially, but this freaks me the fuck out and i have kids and unless i can pinpoint it and prevent it i'm not fucking with the shit again. maybe i'll fuck with somehthing like primobolan and var cycles. but that might fuck me up too? i donno. it sure sucks. i'm glad to see i'm not the only one having these issues. alcohol will most certainly agitate it, as well as caffiene. coffee is terrible for it, coffee while on gives me hot flashes and stresses me and makes me fucking rage.

 

[gttnbig82]

a-fib, as in a total messed up irregular hb lasting 5 minutes - possibly 12 hours? i get this. i think this is what these guys are talking about. this usually happens to me when i hit the weights hard, am super tired, have a big ass meal, and fall asleep. wake up within two hours sweating profusely and heart racing and breaks into an irregular hb. i get this when ON period, test does it. I'm off right now, PCT - post cycle therapy - 'd and been off all anabolics or ancillaries for over one month now, started igf, within the first week had this happen. i'm scared to cycle again until i figure out how the fuck to prevent this. i love cycling and love testosterone especially, but this freaks me the fuck out and i have kids and unless i can pinpoint it and prevent it i'm not fucking with the shit again. maybe i'll fuck with somehthing like primobolan and Anavar - oxandrolone - cycles. but that might fuck me up too? i donno. it sure sucks. i'm glad to see i'm not the only one having these issues. alcohol will most certainly agitate it, as well as caffiene. coffee is terrible for it, coffee while on gives me hot flashes and stresses me and makes me fucking rage.

My a-fib episode went like this. Last set at the gym doing shoulders. My heart rate went from 160 to 215bpm in an instant. Totally irractic heart rate, I felt fine, no shortness of breath, no dizzyness.... nothing except for the irregular heartbeat/rate. I waited.....2.5 hours before I went to the ER. The Drs converted me back to a normal rate/beat with I.V drugs. Developed a skip after that.... Went for a stress/echo/mri test of the heart...... Everything was normal.
Couldnt figure out how to stop the skip.... took me 6 months to figure out that 1, just 1 beer/drink would make my heart skip. Cut out alll drinking for 6 months..... totally fine since then... I will have the occasional beer with dinner but I do not party like I used to.

 

[jagerbombme]

My a-fib episode went like this. Last set at the gym doing shoulders. My heart rate went from 160 to 215bpm in an instant. Totally irractic heart rate, I felt fine, no shortness of breath, no dizzyness.... nothing except for the irregular heartbeat/rate. I waited.....2.5 hours before I went to the ER. The Drs converted me back to a normal rate/beat with I.V drugs. Developed a skip after that.... Went for a stress/echo/mri test of the heart...... Everything was normal.
Couldnt figure out how to stop the skip.... took me 6 months to figure out that 1, just 1 beer/drink would make my heart skip. Cut out alll drinking for 6 months..... totally fine since then... I will have the occasional beer with dinner but I do not party like I used to.

i wasn't having any problems when i completely cut out caffiene while on prop. i started igf, now i drink green tea in the morning, maybe that's it, 1 just 1 green tea? hehe