Tren handbook/carbohydrate question

[Acela]

After reading the "tren handbook" thread and researching a lot, it seems fairly conclusive that carbs should be avoided before bed to help avoid a litany of side effects.

My question is this...how many hours before bed should I avoid incorporating carbs into a meal?

I go to bed around 10pm, get up @ 5am and workout @ 6:30am like clockwork. People with tren experience, what time would you consume your last carbohydrate?

Thanks Bro's

 

[ryno9000]

This isn't helpful to you but can you do some of us a favor and bump the tren handbook thread? I read it a long time ago but time to brush up. Thanks

 

[Acela]

i'm bumping this because it's getting later in the day and I need opinions as to when i should eliminate carbs for the day.

people w/ tren experience please chime in

 

[armyman]

I take in my last carbs at Dinner. So usually between 6-7pm. Sometimes i sweat at night, sometimes i dont?

 

[Acela]

i sweated mildly last night and had carbs @ 8pm and went to bed @ 11pm. i guess i will just play around with the carb timing and see where it takes me.

 

[viciousness]

you should shoot khemix a pm he can definitely help , hes the tren don around this neck of tha woods

 

[Acela]

you should shoot khemix a pm he can definitely help , hes the tren don around this neck of tha woods

Yeah, i just checked his profile and he hasn't logged on since november

good thought though, i have read a few threads where you can tell that he knows his shit

 

[Burpees]

where is this tren handbook you speak of? carbs are great, for growing and energy.. not sure why you wouldn't have them before bed.. I mean there is no reason to have a bowl of rice/oats before you hit the sack but it wont set you back if you're working out hard..

what are your goals? tren will make you strong, strength builds size. tren is also very muscle sparing and helps gain strength (which brings size) while in a caloric deficit. it's for cattle, so that they can cut calories to the animal this burns fat and retains muscle mass making 'lean beef'..

this seems like a cheat meal thread =p

I go to bed with 100g of protein and whatever fat/carbs gets in there from the protein source (powder, nuts, sometimes skim milk).. My schedule is the same as yours..

What are your goals? When do you work out? What are you eating the other 6-8 meals of the day?

 

[Acela]

where is this tren handbook you speak of? carbs are great, for growing and energy.. not sure why you wouldn't have them before bed.. I mean there is no reason to have a bowl of rice/oats before you hit the sack but it wont set you back if you're working out hard..

what are your goals? tren will make you strong, strength builds size. tren is also very muscle sparing and helps gain strength (which brings size) while in a caloric deficit. it's for cattle, so that they can cut calories to the animal this burns fat and retains muscle mass making 'lean beef'..

this seems like a cheat meal thread =p

I go to bed with 100g of protein and whatever fat/carbs gets in there from the protein source (powder, nuts, sometimes skim milk).. My schedule is the same as yours..

What are your goals? When do you work out? What are you eating the other 6-8 meals of the day?

if you use the search function and put in "tren handbook" it will come up. I bumped it yesterday so I don't feel like bumping it again.

I have read from numerous EF Bro's that eating carbs too late in the day induces crazy night sweats. I started my test/tren cycle on saturday (1st tren run) and have tweaked my carb intake each night just to see how i will react....insomnia the first night and light sweats last night. nothing crazy though.

i work out 1st thing in the AM (i'm up around 5:30am and working out by 6:30am) Goals are lean mass. I would rather train for more repetitions at this stage of my life then try and max out on compound movements. Don't get me wrong, i still train very intense with strict form and I push myself to go heavy...I just try and keep the reps between 8-15....not like 2-6 back in the day.

a typical day of food for me is something like this:

pre workout (upon waking): bowl of oats (not instant) about 40 grams of complex carbs & 2 cups of black coffee w/ no sugar

post workout: 25 grams whey/75 grams of a blend of gatorade/maltodextrin/waxy maize

1 hour later: ANPB w/ fruit spread on whole wheat bread

4 other meals, spread out every 2-3 hours (depending on what time i go to bed) of:
carbs: brown rice OR sweet potatoe OR whole wheat pasta (i pick one...try to rotate frequently so i don't get sick of anything)
protein: tuna OR salmon OR steak OR chicken (again, i try and rotate)

i snack on cheese sticks and peanuts. i'm allergic to almonds, walnuts and pecans.

1 casein shake (30-40 grams) before bed
i put olive oil in my shake to get more fat
i supplement w/ fish oil caps ED
i take a multi vitamin ED

I really don't count calories & protein...i just try and eat sensibly.

now that i'm looking at my diet i'm realizing that I should probably add 1 more meal AND 1 more whey shake ED

your thoughts?

 

[Burpees]

I would have 50-75g of protein after your post work out shake instead of all that fat - the idea is to take advantage of that insulin spike to shuttle as much protein and aminos back to where you need them - sure PB is great but it doesn't have much protein and what it does have is slowly digested due to the fat. I'm pretty liberal when it comes to diet, I think pre and post wo and pre-bed meals are the most important. if i eat crap all day ill have a crappy work out.. lots of sushi and grilled wings for me anyway.. on 100mg of Tren ED i would barely sweat.. on 600mg of DNP i wouldn't even have a glass of tea before bed unless i wanted to have to change the sheets.. you may not sweat all that much if you aren't much of a sweaty dude now.. nutritional needs and results > comfort and convenience, how do you react now when you have carbs before bed?

 

[Acela]

I would have 50-75g of protein after your post work out shake instead of all that fat - the idea is to take advantage of that insulin spike to shuttle as much protein and aminos back to where you need them - sure PB is great but it doesn't have much protein and what it does have is slowly digested due to the fat. I'm pretty liberal when it comes to diet, I think pre and post wo and pre-bed meals are the most important. if i eat crap all day ill have a crappy work out.. lots of sushi and grilled wings for me anyway.. on 100mg of Tren ED i would barely sweat.. on 600mg of DNP i wouldn't even have a glass of tea before bed unless i wanted to have to change the sheets.. you may not sweat all that much if you aren't much of a sweaty dude now.. nutritional needs and results > comfort and convenience, how do you react now when you have carbs before bed?

well, it's only been 3 days on tren so it's tough to accurately gauge my reaction...i had carbs late last night and had my best nights sleep thus far.

my first night was total insomnia...not 1 minute of sleep and i didn't have carbs for probably 3 hours before bed

i guess trial and error. what would you replace the PB sandwich with? i hear what your saying about taking better advantage of that 2 hour + - window post workout. PB is just more palatable that early in the morning for me rather then fish/chicken/steak w/ rice or potatoe at 10am.

 

[Burpees]

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well, it's only been 3 days on tren so it's tough to accurately gauge my reaction...i had carbs late last night and had my best nights sleep thus far.

my first night was total insomnia...not 1 minute of sleep and i didn't have carbs for probably 3 hours before bed

i guess trial and error. what would you replace the PB sandwich with? i hear what your saying about taking better advantage of that 2 hour + - window post workout. PB is just more palatable that early in the morning for me rather then fish/chicken/steak w/ rice or potatoe at 10am.

well the post workout drink you have now takes care of the carbs.. the idea would be to take in 25-75g of protein an hour 30-60min after you drank the carby stuff.. an hour or two you eat whatever you would normally eat. i would use eggwhites, steak, fish, chicken, or whey..

 

[Acela]

well the post workout drink you have now takes care of the carbs.. the idea would be to take in 25-75g of protein an hour 30-60min after you drank the carby stuff.. an hour or two you eat whatever you would normally eat. i would use eggwhites, steak, fish, chicken, or whey..

Are you basically saying to have 2 PWO shakes....the first one being primarily carbs (maltodextrin/waxy maize/simple sugars) then 30-60 minutes after that consume 75 grams of whey...then my normal meals?

thanks for taking the time Bro, i appreciate it. I definately need to learn more about dieting and how I can take better advantage of my body's metabolism

 

[Burpees]

Are you basically saying to have 2 PWO shakes....the first one being primarily carbs (maltodextrin/waxy maize/simple sugars) then 30-60 minutes after that consume 75 grams of whey...then my normal meals?

thanks for taking the time Bro, i appreciate it. I definately need to learn more about dieting and how I can take better advantage of my body's metabolism

thats the best way to have a pwo meal.. carbs for an insulin spike, fast acting protein for quick shuttling of protein and aminos back to where they are needed..

at the very least have something like fruit and a few egg whites all at once rather than peanut butter.. pb is a good source for fat, not protein..

read up current literature on Pre/Post Workout Nutrition, this isn't the website for that

 

[Cardinal Slin]

Sweating is for heroes!

 

[Burpees]

Are you basically saying to have 2 PWO shakes....the first one being primarily carbs (maltodextrin/waxy maize/simple sugars) then 30-60 minutes after that consume 75 grams of whey...then my normal meals?

thanks for taking the time Bro, i appreciate it. I definately need to learn more about dieting and how I can take better advantage of my body's metabolism

Pre, During, & Postworkout Nutrition. - Bodybuilding.com Forums

 

[needtogetaas]

This isn't helpful to you but can you do some of us a favor and bump the tren handbook thread? I read it a long time ago but time to brush up. Thanks

a good 30-40% of what is in that thread is crap.. some one give me a link so i can dice it the hell up!!!!!!!!