Tren for first cycle?

[viciousness]

Whats up elite bro's I have done massive amounts of research the past couple of months since Ive joined elite and read countless posts about how new jacks shouldnt be taking anything but a single compound for there first cycle etc etc. but I still seem to wonder would it be to my benefit to take tren with some test for a first cycle, since I want to cut instead of a massive bulk? I know from research and from some bro's that the tren can be very harsh esp. for a person whos never takin any gear before. Anybody have any experience or opinions on this for a first cycle? OR should I just stick to the basics TEST ONLY until I know how my body reacts


-Viciousness

 

[azul]

Whats up elite bro's I have done massive amounts of research the past couple of months since Ive joined elite and read countless posts about how new jacks shouldnt be taking anything but a single compound for there first cycle etc etc. but I still seem to wonder would it be to my benefit to take tren with some test for a first cycle, since I want to cut instead of a massive bulk? I know from research and from some bro's that the tren can be very harsh esp. for a person whos never takin any gear before. Anybody have any experience or opinions on this for a first cycle? OR should I just stick to the basics TEST ONLY until I know how my body reacts


-Viciousness

Tren isn't a cutting steroid, per se. It works well on a low-calorie diet, but so do a lot of other steroids, including testosterone. Virtually every steroid will help you preserve, and even gain muscle, on a low-calorie diet. The more anabolic and androgenic a steroid is, the more it can help fatburning as well, and both testosterone and tren are strongly anabolic and androgenic. Sure, tren is about 3 times more anabolic, but testosterone is still king, and absolutely the number 1 choice for your first cycle. Tren is pretty harsh... you don't wanna quit your first cycle just because you played around with a steroid you couldn't handle, right?

 

[view]

Tren only for a first cycle is not a good idea. simple as that.

if you are interested in cutting use test prop and arimidex.

 

[pesky]

i did tren only for my first. mega gains, but also big time shutdown and sides. I will never run it again w/out test. i would do test only first. no doubt. have anti-es on hand aswell. if gyno becomes an issue, you wont have to stop your cycle and they also keep bloat down. This i also did not do and had to stop my first test cycle.

 

[viciousness]

Azul very good point bro, Def. wouldnt want to quit the first cycle due to extreme sides. But wont test make me gain more raw mass then anything. Im really looking to lean up and harden not as much bulk for the cycle which is the only reason I ask. But if test is king then so be it. Anyone else can share any insight? Appreciate the suggestions

-V

 

[Maxx Out]

Tren isn't a cutting steroid, per se. It works well on a low-calorie diet, but so do a lot of other steroids, including testosterone. Virtually every steroid will help you preserve, and even gain muscle, on a low-calorie diet. The more anabolic and androgenic a steroid is, the more it can help fatburning as well, and both testosterone and tren are strongly anabolic and androgenic. Sure, tren is about 3 times more anabolic, but testosterone is still king, and absolutely the number 1 choice for your first cycle. Tren is pretty harsh... you don't wanna quit your first cycle just because you played around with a steroid you couldn't handle, right?

Great response brother!

 

[azul]

Azul very good point bro, Def. wouldnt want to quit the first cycle due to extreme sides. But wont test make me gain more raw mass then anything. Im really looking to lean up and harden not as much bulk for the cycle which is the only reason I ask. But if test is king then so be it. Anyone else can share any insight? Appreciate the suggestions

-V

Steroids help you gain muscle, but calories (and specifically, protein) are even more important. Trust me, if you don't want to, you won't gain any muscle on test If anything, tren will cause you to gain more muscle on a low-calorie diet and you'll become too big.

 

[viciousness]

never said I didnt want to gain muscle bro and ya can never be too big

 

[sweed]

Good words from the stupid noob (aka Azul) .. .I am on my first cycle of test/ dbol and loving it. I am up a lot of weight, some from water, however I might be loosing some bodyfat even tho My diet is not the cleanest, and I try to eat a lot! Go with tst bro and save the tren for a 3+ cycle... im prob gonna be using it for my 3rd cycle... yes i am already thinking about my 3rd cycle, lol

 

[Apexx]

stick with the test for the first one bro.

Save tren for WAY down the road. After trying some other things that are less harsh, you might fall in love with them and never even want to try tren.

 

[Boston Strangler]

I ran fina (tren) for my first cycle. I had great gains, cut up good and it made me want to continue with sauce. It did however give me an insane temper, and shut me off pretty hard. I would not suggest it for a first cycle, but if that's what you got, go ahead. We are all human guinea pigs, might as well test it out for the rest of us!! JK

BS

 

[slat1]

Stick with the test. You have the rest of your life to use other compounds and up the doses!

 

[awol1]

let the flames begin--i ran tren with winny and test my first cycle and everything turned out fine. i gained pure lean mass. kept the cardio consistent and my caloric intake was enough to gain muscle, but not too much to bulk

now, i loved tren. my arms were road maps, and pound for pound i was one of the strongest dudes in the gym. i felt like everytime i went into the gym it was going to be my best workout ever. don't forget i had winny and test running through my body as well.

sides--some but nothing overwhelming. mild acne toward the end of cycle and some aggressive behavior (nothing crazy). i did experience a brief period of depression post cycle as well...why i dont know. could have been the clomid, could have been my brain wishing to go back to superman, but it happened.

for the most part, i kept my gains. strength and vascularity decreases as expected, but i was still pleased with the outcome.

 

[azul]

let the flames begin--i ran tren with winny and test my first cycle and everything turned out fine. i gained pure lean mass. kept the cardio consistent and my caloric intake was enough to gain muscle, but not too much to bulk

now, i loved tren. my arms were road maps, and pound for pound i was one of the strongest dudes in the gym. i felt like everytime i went into the gym it was going to be my best workout ever. don't forget i had winny and test running through my body as well.

sides--some but nothing overwhelming. mild acne toward the end of cycle and some aggressive behavior (nothing crazy). i did experience a brief period of depression post cycle as well...why i dont know. could have been the clomid, could have been my brain wishing to go back to superman, but it happened.

for the most part, i kept my gains. strength and vascularity decreases as expected, but i was still pleased with the outcome.

 

[NaturalOnlyAtBirth]

Well I see the biggest problem as being doing the EVERDAY injects on a first cycle. I'm betting you have never done an inject before and sticking yourself everyday for 6-8 weeks is not something I would reccomend for a 1st timer. It's hard enough even when you know how to inject properly and are used to it. Give test enan. at 500mg a shot (run a-dex at .5mg EOD to minimize bloat). See what you think and if you can handle the ED shots.

 

[viciousness]

Think ill give the straight up test enan. by itself a shot for my first cycle after hearing all of you bro's opinions, esp since the ED injects. Dont think I could perfect how i give an inject. nor pull that off since I havent done any as of yet. Anyone else care to share suggestions?


-Viciousness

 

[cobra1414]

Test/tren was my first cycle and it rocked.

It's stupid to use your first cycle as a cutter though

 

[monkey arms]

I think Test/Tren as a first cycle would rock. However the daily or ED injects would take some getting use to.

As a first cycle I would recommend
wk 1-10 Test Cyp/Ent 250-500/wk
wk 1-6 Tren Ace 50mgs/day or EOD

I think the use of tren really gets blown out of proportion. It isn't any harsher than Dbol, or Winny for that matter, infact for me it causes less harm to your body than either. Does not raise my liver values at all.

I'd done a couple of cycles before using tren Test/Var Test/Winny but nothing works better for lean gains (for me) than tren.

How could using test, deca, dbol, winny, primo, etc. ever prepare you for using tren?
It just doesn't make sense to me.

 

[wellbilt]

keep it simple bro test enan at 250-50 mg week for 12 weeks
low dose of dbol or var for the first 4-6 weeks
tren has lotsof sides from what i have read aND I WOULD NPOT RECOMMEND IT FOR a newbie also the evryday pokes suck ,your diet will be the ultimate factor that determines wether you gain lose or stay the same
i like to keep things simple i see no need to pulkl out the big guns (tren) until you have more experience and you stop responding to the milder compunds just my 2 pennies

 

[ryno9000]

Is tren at all effective if you run, say, 75mg EOD if it is your first time using it, or is it ONLY effective running it ED? And, what if you ran 75 mg EOD and then the next day did 50 mg Winny EOD so you are hitting everyday, just with different AAS? or am I just dumb....

 

[azul]

Is tren at all effective if you run, say, 75mg EOD if it is your first time using it, or is it ONLY effective running it ED? And, what if you ran 75 mg EOD and then the next day did 50 mg Winny EOD so you are hitting everyday, just with different AAS? or am I just dumb....

EOD is just fine, though some people do ED. I don't see why though.

 

[monkey arms]

Is tren at all effective if you run, say, 75mg EOD if it is your first time using it, or is it ONLY effective running it ED? And, what if you ran 75 mg EOD and then the next day did 50 mg Winny EOD so you are hitting everyday, just with different AAS? or am I just dumb....

Either are fine to run EOD, but you'll have to see for yourself and how you respond. Personally I prefer ED injects on both. I've run both ED and EOD and maybe it is psychosomatic but even at lower doses ED worked better for me.

Also...just to clue you in, Winny and Tren use two completely different pathways for anabolism.

 

[ryno9000]

Also...just to clue you in, Winny and Tren use two completely different pathways for anabolism.

Two completely different pathways...isn't that a good thing though?

 

[JP@Ironology]

If you are going to use Tren regardless of what anyone says for your first cycle.

1. Use Tren Acetate NOT Tren Ent. Tren Acetate will allow you to bail out should sides become an issue. Tren Ent. half life is too long should sides become an issue.

2. Start at 37.5 mg ED or EOD to see how you feel. Some might say this is too low but it does not hurt to be careful the first time using. If after 10-14 days you have no sides, you could bump it up to between 50 mg and75 mg ED or EOD.

IMO, you should consider waiting.

 

[monkey arms]

Two completely different pathways...isn't that a good thing though?

Yes it seems to be very synergistic.