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tren enanthate

Waste of time, stick with tren acetate.
 
Sure, here is my reasoning, I'll try not to make corn LOL again.

1. Tren acetate is cheap and readily available from a number of sources (UG labs, finaplix pellets, etc.)

2. Tren acetate is stronger mg/mg than tren enth due to differences in ester weights. 50mg tren acetate = approx. 73mg tren enth.

3. You will need to inject 3ml eod with tren enth to = 1ml ed with tren acetate, nullifying the benifit of attaching an enanthate ester in the first place for all practical purposes.
 
jubei said:
Sure, here is my reasoning, I'll try not to make corn LOL again.

3. You will need to inject 3ml eod with tren enth to = 1ml ed with tren acetate, nullifying the benifit of attaching an enanthate ester in the first place for all practical purposes.
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wait a minute... maybe i don't get it but wouldn't tren enanthate be as long-acting as test enanthate? meaning, why would you have to inject eod if it's enanthate? the reason i'd love to get my hands on some (if at all exists) is that i travel quite a bit and i'd love to be able to inject just once a week and i love tren (and don't want to bring pins onboard a flight). am i missing something?
 
Sure you could just inject 11 ml once a week if you like.
 
well... my assumption is that if they can mix tren and enanthate they should also be able to up the concentration to something more like 200 mg/ml. why not? you can up the concentration quite a bit yourself when you convert acetate pellets (i've done it myself) so i don't see why a "lab" couldn't do the same.
 
and by the way, what makes you think i wouldn't inject 11 ml per week if i had to? :D :D :D you have no idea what my glutes can take in terms of injections... :p :p :p
 
jubei said:
Sure, here is my reasoning, I'll try not to make corn LOL again.

3. You will need to inject 3ml eod with tren enth to = 1ml ed with tren acetate, nullifying the benifit of attaching an enanthate ester in the first place for all practical purposes.
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A lot Bros have been using 400mg with 2 injections a week with ace results!Well ill be using bl`s soon so will know then!

By the way!Respect for backing your statement!!rare these days!
 
then why use test enth. why doesn't everybody just use test
prop. i see what you are saying but to stick yourself everyday is a big pain in the ass........
 
yeah, its out. Plus the powder is available now in the US. So you could easily make your own test enathate/tren enathate combo and do twice a week injections. However you would be looking at pretty high cc shots since you probably won't easily be able to make anything stronger than 100 mgtest/100 mg tren per cc. Much easier to just make prop/tren acetate and inject ed. As far as anyone using the tren enathate... i don't personally know anyone yet who has.
 
I think cditty had a post about BL`s products where he reported someone using tren enant wit great results!
 
There are a couple reasons people don't take test prop instead of enth.

1. Test prop comes in 100mg/ml (except in a few cases) and is very painful.

2. Test enth is cheaper mg/mg and readily available.

3. Test enth usually comes in 200/250mg/ml so taking 2-4ml/week is fine.


There is nothing WRONG with test enth, however there is also nothing great about it either. If you want a weaker, slower acting version of tren acetate than by all means go out and get some. For everyone else...don't waste your time.
 
jubei said:
There are a couple reasons people don't take test prop instead of enth.

1. Test prop comes in 100mg/ml (except in a few cases) and is very painful.

2. Test enth is cheaper mg/mg and readily available.

3. Test enth usually comes in 200/250mg/ml so taking 2-4ml/week is fine.


There is nothing WRONG with test enth, however there is also nothing great about it either. If you want a weaker, slower acting version of tren acetate than by all means go out and get some. For everyone else...don't waste your time.
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The tren ent I used was made by that "S" company (the same company had a vet here test that product and results posted here on EF) it is 200mg/ml of tren ent and 100mg/ml test cyp.....I have not seen test results on any other tren ent... NO I DID NOT USE 11ML or 2200MG A WEEK THATS FUCKEN STUPID....

Judge for yourself how much waist of a time it was, my cycle pics and results:

http://anabolicfitness.infopop.net/2/OpenTopic?a=tpc&s=702093973&f=312093973&m=4513081827


My results were far better than the tren ace.

Now don't get me wrong there is nothing wrong with daily inj but I work 8-4 and go to school at night... I have done many cycles that daily inj was the thing and there have been many time I missed a shot here and there cause of diff reasons we all have.

Jubei,

Have you used tren ent personally? Have you seen Fonz's results from that product?
 
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Let me also add I have used both Test Prop and Test Ent in the past, I do not feel that Ent ester is a "weaker, slower acting version" for test either.... more over I Have had great results from test ent on my bulking cycles...
 
I don't give a rats ass what you feel or think. Test prop is stronger mg/mg than test enth (in terms of free test) and is faster acting. If you have any sort of evidence to refute this please post it, and failing that shut your mouth.

Sorry never heard of or seen the product to which you are referring and it sounds like bullshit. 200mg of tren and 100mg of test per ml? Also why would anyone use test cyp with tren enth? Why not use test enth? My calculations for 11ml were based on 75mg/ml and were in comparision to 1ml of tren acetate ed. Just like others who claim test is test, tren is tren. Stick an enanthate ester on it if you think it is going to magically enhance its anabolic properties.

Your talking about missing injections well thats your fault. Don't tell me you don't have 2 free minutes per day. Shit how long did it take you to log on and post? Also I'm not saying it won't work, and if that is what you gathered you need some serious work on your reading skills. Tren enth WILL work, like I stated earlier. However, it won't work any better than tren acetate: it's weaker mg/mg is slower acting/ stays in your system longer, and is more expensive. What is so hard to understand about the above statements/facts?
 
USING AN ENANTHATE ESTER SIMPLY REDUCES THE FREQUENCY OF INJECTIONS...IT MAKES THE TREN MOLECULE NO MORE OR LESS EFFECTIVE.
 
BUT JUB IS CORRECT ABOUT THE PROP VERSUS ENANTHATE QUESTION.

THE ENANTHATE ESTER IS HEAVIER AND THEREFORE COMPOSES MORE OF THE TOTAL MG WEIGHT VERSUS THE LIGHTER PROP ESTER.
 
I agree that an acetate or prop. esther is stronger but with Tren Enth it seems to me you would get a build up effect due to the longer acting esther. I.E. you would still have about 1/2 the tren in you from the previous week and so on and so on.

Quad
 
I don't give a rats ass what you feel or think. Test prop is stronger mg/mg than test enth (in terms of free test) and is faster acting. If you have any sort of evidence to refute this please post it, and failing that shut your mouth.
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Why the fuck are you on a discussion board if you don't give a rat's ass about what people feel.

I shared and posted my experience, you don't wanna read it take your pissed of shitty attitude to the next thread.

Sorry never heard of or seen the product to which you are referring and it sounds like bullshit. 200mg of tren and 100mg of test per ml? Also why would anyone use test cyp with tren enth? Why not use test enth? My calculations for 11ml were based on 75mg/ml and were in comparision to 1ml of tren acetate ed. Just like others who claim test is test, tren is tren. Stick an enanthate ester on it if you think it is going to magically enhance its anabolic properties.
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Mybe you should research before you talk out of your ass. Supra has made its Neobolin 200mg/ml Tren ent and 100mg/ml test cyp for almost 6 months. It tested out at 243mg tren ent and 116mg of test cyp. Many people have used it and the only thing I read on the board is positive feed back but fuck it right you "give a rats ass... feel or think".

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=229654&highlight=supra+and+test+and+tren


here are the test results http://www.steroidology.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8012&highlight=supra
I am not trying to be an asshole but out being on the boards for 3 years and moding I have never heard of a Vet flame cause someone shared personal experiences.

Overall I have used it; My results were far better than the tren ace; I felt the Ent ester was quite effective with test and tren; If others like once a week inj, this product was great for me.

No hard feelings bro, just your tone suchs for a discussion board. Feel free to email me if you got questions about this and masteron cycle I did.

[email protected]
 
Well if it tested to 243mg and 116mg respectively than no wonder these people are getting good results. And still miss the point by a mile. I never said it wouldn't work, in fact I said it would. I'm still not sure why you would pair 2 different esters rather than using tren and test enth instead of tren enth and test cyp.

Quad, I know what your saying about a buildup effect. My only comment would be that you get the same buildup effect with tren acetate due to more frequent injections. Also the time release of an ester is a double edged sword. If tren is released into the bloodstream one week it isn't released the other.

Dancer,where is your proof to back up your claim about test prop not being stronger or faster acting than test enth? Obviously I don't care about the baseless opinion of some fag tag pole dancer.
 
it's not always good to have an over dosed product........not good at all. not to be a jerk but what was the point of you wanting us to look at your pics Dancer ?
 
jubei said:
Dancer,where is your proof to back up your claim about test prop not being stronger or faster acting than test enth?
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I don't think anyone could argue that. Prop is superior in strength per ml, as far as strength per mg. The only advantage Enan has is injection frequency. I get much better gains with prop.

dancer said:

Judge for yourself how much waist of a time it was, my cycle pics and results:

http://anabolicfitness.infopop.net/2/OpenTopic?a=tpc&s=702093973&f=312093973&m=4513081827
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I really wanted to stay out of this because I have my own history with dancer, but bro, don't be posting your pics as proof to the products working or not because frankly, anyone could get the gains you got without gear by simply adjusting diet and working out. For someone taking over a gram of test/week, with over 100mg tren/day, 20mg halo/day, not to mention masteron for two months I would expect much more shape, hardness and size. For having supposedly over two years of cycle experience under his belt I would not be proud.

FYI: The tren enan is great stuff from all accounts as are most the s**** products but I have no idea why they decided to mix test cyp, with tren enan, that makes no sense to me.
 
Dancer,where is your proof to back up your claim about test prop not being stronger or faster acting than test enth? Obviously I don't care about the baseless opinion of some fag tag pole dancer.
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read my posts you dumb fucken jackass newby that has been on EF less than 6 months.

I posted about my PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. Read the begining of the thread Jackass.

"fag tag pole dancer"

How old are you 18? been on the boards for less than six months and knows it all.

Yeah it works a lot better cause I am dont like to shot every motherfucken day for 10 fucken weeks plain and simple. The most effective way to run ace ester is ED motherfucken day inj. I am not going to do that and thats why it works better.
 
Dancer....i still just want to know why you wanted us to see your pic results. BTW who cares how long he's been here, he's contributed alot more to this board then you have. all you have done is spectated which is fine but he's not a newbie by any means
 
As for proof: I agree with Andy and he seams to think that long ester are more effective. I talked to him about a year ago via email. He has also posted many times about this subject.






Andy13
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posted 05-11-2002 04:49 PM
You are correct in that a testosterone ester, injected IM, is stored and released slowly. Can we all agree that when an AAS in injected IM, it slowly is released into the blood where it is de-esterified to an active androgen? Ok--

And since you are a mechanical engineer, you should recognize the fact that the rate of diffusion of the AAS from the site of injection is exponentially related to the size of the depot. And as the size of the depot decreases, so does the rate of diffusion from the site of injection.


The equation for amount of esterified testosterone remaining after x (day, hours) is k*e^(ln(1/2)*x/h), where k= amount injected, x=day/hour you are interested in and h=half life (x and h units must be consistant).
If you are interested in the derivation of this equation, check out your Diff equ book.

The amount of ACTIVE or, released testosterone over one day/hour is simply the difference between two x values.

But, besides all the math stuff.. This one's actually pretty logical.. Testosterone is released the FASTEST from the site of injection when the size of the injection is largest.. And, when the size of the injection is largest is..... Immediately after the injection! Does this make any sence? Sustanon's esters DO NOT release one by one.. They ALL release at the same time, albeit some slower than others. The prop esters rate of release is faster then the deconate ester.. But, regardless, the PEAK blood testosterone from any single injection of sustanon is seen about 24hrs after it is injected. I've done this math/graphs ad naseum. I've also seen actual blood test graphs-- the theoretical graphs (from the equation I gave) is remarkably similar to the the actual blood tests.. So much that we may plot these mathematical graphs and assume they are, for our purposes, accurate.

Contrary to belief, the graph of a single shot of sustanon does not look like a pyrymid, suggesting that the PEAK blood levels are seen some 3-4-5-6 days after the initial injection.

Actually, the graph looks much like a ski sloap.. It has a SHARP up spike and then gradually sloaps down from there..

Do the math- you will see. I wish I could figure out how to plot these graphs on this board.

Andy
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http://anabolicfitness.infopop.net/...2093973&f=312093973&m=7733045915&r=1573048035


Its a good read. That thread is very educational
 
I really wanted to stay out of this because I have my own history with dancer, but bro, don't be posting your pics as proof to the products working or not because frankly, anyone could get the gains you got without gear by simply adjusting diet and working out. For someone taking over a gram of test/week, with over 100mg tren/day, 20mg halo/day, not to mention masteron for two months I would expect much more shape, hardness and size. For having supposedly over two years of cycle experience under his belt I would not be proud.
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Corleone so nice to see.

I would like to elaborate on my past cycles. I have gone as high as 3 grams of aas a week in the past.

Perhaps 25 pounds of gain in aggregate weight is nothing some of you but to me this is much to say the least also, the heaviest I have been and 25 is more than I have gained during any cycle in the past 3 years.

BTW Corleone check you math bro,

"someone taking over a gram of test/week"

actually bro 300 mgs of test cyp is less than a gram, only during the first 2 weeks I ran a gram but never "over".



So this is a light cycle by all means for me.


"don't be posting your pics as proof to the products working or not because frankly, anyone could get the gains you got without gear by simply adjusting diet and working out."

I agree fully that an adjustment of diet and working out makes a difference in fact if the title of the thread was "anyone could get the gains you got without gear by simply adjusting diet and working out" I would say true but that is not what the thread is about, correct?

I said it before and I'll say it again I used it and it worked for me. More over, could you please point to where I said, "here are my pics as proof that tren ent works"... read my post again I simply share my experience.
 
dancer said:


actually bro 300 mgs of test cyp is less than a gram, only during the first 2 weeks I ran a gram but never "over".
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Guess I didn't read far enough down your graph. Well then by all means you got great gains. :p When are you gonna go pro?

dancer said:


I would like to elaborate on my past cycles. I have gone as high as 3 grams of aas a week in the past.

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I've seen you in the past and you looked like shit then.


Man, I don't know why you choose to start a war whenever anyone questions a s**** product but you need to quit this shit, it's not good. I know you believe in the company but you don't need to shove it down our throats.

And I'll say it so others don't have to: not only do you look bad for someone who juices, you look bad for someone who works out.

Man I don't know why I waste my time, I knew I should have stayed out of this post. I'll let others tear you to shreds, I'm out of this one.
 
Corleone said:


Guess I didn't read far enough down your graph. Well then by all means you got great gains. :p When are you gonna go pro?



I've seen you in the past and you looked like shit then.


Man, I don't know why you choose to start a war whenever anyone questions a s**** product but you need to quit this shit, it's not good. I know you believe in the company but you don't need to shove it down our throats.

And I'll say it so others don't have to: not only do you look bad for someone who juices, you look bad for someone who works out.

Man I don't know why I waste my time, I knew I should have stayed out of this post. I'll let others tear you to shreds, I'm out of this one.
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nah not going pro bro, I prefer to dance around on stage ;)

hey let me know when at 5'10" you get to 226 cause at 5'7" I am already there are ready to get to the 240s. :rolleyes:
 
Dancer, you think thats proof that enth is stronger than prop? You really are stupid...worse than I originally thought. Plus you look like shit--who knows maybe its just your genetics. Also at 5'7'' you should look like a monster with all that shit you took.
 
Pretty cut and dry there bro....lol

you been on since MARCH 17 and you are still on, I was on for 8 weeks and I am of!

AT THERE DOSAGES:

100mg/qv prop/day
50mg reforv dbol for 3 weeks, then lowered it because of high bp down to 25mg for another 3 weeks for a total of 6 weeks of dbol
375mg qv deca week

MAY 12- CURRENT
50mg tren ed
375mg qv enan eod


so let me understand this: from MARCH 17 to 2 weeks ago you got to 215 and in the last 2 weeks you gained 5 pounds more, lol

well great keep going I am 226 yeah there is that little detail that I am 2 full inches shorter.

I agree I used less aas and in relative time frame that is around half as much as yours I gained more proportionally...

Still thought let me know when you get to 226 ;)
 
You're really making yourself look like an ass. You have no room to talk about my build. You look like a pudgy piece of shit. You're nothing but a wannabe fag lap dancer.

Yea so I planned a 5 month cycle, so what's your point? My bloodwork came back fine last month, what are you trying to prove? I see nothing wrong with staying on for 5 months when I've been off the last 7 months. I know my body a lot better than someone like you who doesn't even know their own.

It doesn't really matter what you think. Your AAS knowledge is laughable and obviously you don't know how to workout or you'd look like someone who works out. To me you look like the average wannabe who works out once a week. You're a putz.

This is pointless. . .I love message board shit talkers.
 
Corleone said:
You're really making yourself look like an ass. You have no room to talk about my build. You look like a pudgy piece of shit. You're nothing but a wannabe fag lap dancer.

Yea so I planned a 5 month cycle, so what's your point? My bloodwork came back fine last month, what are you trying to prove? I see nothing wrong with staying on for 5 months when I've been off the last 7 months. I know my body a lot better than someone like you who doesn't even know their own.

It doesn't really matter what you think. Your AAS knowledge is laughable and obviously you don't know how to workout or you'd look like someone who works out. To me you look like the average wannabe who works out once a week. You're a putz.

This is pointless. . .I love message board shit talkers.
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So let me understand this, you say you have been on for 5 months at the lowest dosage you took

50mg tren ed
375mg qv enan eod

a one week average of 1662.5MG EVERY WEEK.

I have WAS ON for 2 months at the lowest dosage I took 1390 MG EVERY Week

You damn right trash talker fuck this board up, negative assholes like you.

Shit son you used more and gained less unless the number are full of shit! Wait, no you are!


I am pudge piece of shit @ 13.8 % then you are what, arnold...lol

go ahead asshole argue with the numbers... :rolleyes:

After seeing you 155 pound bitch with teeth comming out of her pussy any man would want to be a "fag lap dancer".

Post pics of her please I need a laugh.... :angel:
 
What kind of a dancer has 14 percent bodyfat? Well you know you have over 30lbs. of fat on your 5'7'' frame. I have about 10lbs. of fat on my 190 @ 5'11''. Let me know when you hit 6 percent.
 
last summer and the summer before 185 pounds at 6% oh yeah still 5'7" email me I still have the pics from both summers.

so at 5'11" 190 you ready for your first cycle son, little bitch?

I am sure during your bulking cycles you get up to 280 at 4%...lol
 
Little bitch? Damn shorty sounds like you have little man syndrome? I only want to be 210-215 lbs. max but I'll still be 6 percent bf then. Who the hell wants to weigh 280?
 
jubei said:
Little bitch? Damn shorty sounds like you have little man syndrome? I only want to be 210-215 lbs. max but I'll still be 6 percent bf then. Who the hell wants to weigh 280?
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got a long road ahead little bitch, lol

BTW.... you are not going to bulk 20-25 pounds at stay at 6% :) ... ofcourse you plan on doing that otherwise you would not know 14%.... good luck it aint gonna happen son.

Little tall man talking shit @ 190 pounds proportionally you weigh as much as Corleone's bitch(sadly this is really true), yeah I'll say it again little bitch.
 
:confused:

My girl's 5'2 105, 34c is beautiful. I would never need to be with anyone who wasn't up to my standards. I live in so cal where pussy is plentiful, I have no problems pulling. I won't post her pic out of respect for her.

Do you realize how stupid you are sounding in this thread? You sound like a little kid trying to build yourself up. I have an undefeated professional fighting record and am a collegiate all american wrestler, you're a fag dancer. If you were speaking these words to my face, I'd hit you so hard you'd have "teeth coming out of your ass". I don't need to waste my time with you.

Get lost seriously nobody's interested in your opinions and if you take offense to everyone saying you look like shit. . .ohh well, face the facts. You do look like shit. You should get that dick out of your ass and hit the gym.
 
you bitch is fat, she cheats on you and steals from you (how am I doing)... or did you finally buy a hocker, a step up...lol

I am not gay. I have had and will have more ass that you will ever, and this fag dancer shit is just a lie.

you cycle is longer, dosages are higher, your gains are proportionally less.

BTW... email this guy about your legs and peck [email protected] ask him why?

how is that :p
 
Corleone said:
What's a hocker? Someone who spits on you?
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someone you pay for sex... ok here is what happens I took you to a brothel in NV but you didnt take note... you pay you get you leave, unlike your bitch they wont stab you in the back when you need the most and it really doesnt matter if they fuck that ex,

hard stuff but try to understand
 
Wow you a really sad. I'm sure you are the toughest and baddest dancer around.

You were unable to make your point about enth being stronger than prop, instead opting to post an article re: sustanon vs. single ester compounds and now are just running your mouth. I'm sure you get alot of ass but that doesn't make you straight.

I'm done posting on this thread unless somebody wants to bring some information to the table about tren enth. vs. tren acetate.

If they were priced the same and tren enth was in a higher dosage (150mg+) it would be worth looking into. However @ 75mg/ml tren enth is and will remain a waste of time (as an alternative to tren acetate due to volumous injections.
 
jubei said:
What kind of a dancer has 14 percent bodyfat? Well you know you have over 30lbs. of fat on your 5'7'' frame. I have about 10lbs. of fat on my 190 @ 5'11''. Let me know when you hit 6 percent.
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Dude, 14% bodyfat is not bad at all - there are VERY few people that can achieve 6% bodyfat...hell, most pros can't even hit that mark.
 
Go ahead keep talking shit you always start it and I gotta hand you your ass ... take a ritalin so the A. D. D. wont act up... I'll be here ... email me we need to settle this ASAP...
 
jubei said:
Wow you a really sad. I'm sure you are the toughest and baddest dancer around.

You were unable to make your point about enth being stronger than prop, instead opting to post an article re: sustanon vs. single ester compounds and now are just running your mouth. I'm sure you get alot of ass but that doesn't make you straight.

I'm done posting on this thread unless somebody wants to bring some information to the table about tren enth. vs. tren acetate.

If they were priced the same and tren enth was in a higher dosage (150mg+) it would be worth looking into. However @ 75mg/ml tren enth is and will remain a waste of time (as an alternative to tren acetate due to volumous injections.
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Yeap the ADD is acting up. I only posted about my personal experience based on my last cycle. You had to be a negative little flaming bitch and now its personal, so your ass is being handed to you.

I look bad you look worse... I a dumbass you are a retard... wanna talk about women I had and will have more, so still have your's some bitch that fucked you over and cheated on you... wanna call me gay I am not but after this bitch you will be... wanna talk about my build replace the body parts that look like a 12 year-old we can talk...

:p
 
poantrex said:


Dude, 14% bodyfat is not bad at all - there are VERY few people that can achieve 6% bodyfat...hell, most pros can't even hit that mark.
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yes it is these guys bulk up 20-25 pounds and stay at 6%... its a myth pros aren't 3-4% at comp they are -10% and they take notes from Jubei and Corleone.
 
dancer said:


yes it is these guys bulk up 20-25 pounds and stay at 6%... its a myth pros aren't 3-4% at comp they are -10% and they take notes from Jubei and Corleone.
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To that I respond, I doubt you know what 6% bodyfat looks like. I can't tell you how many times i've seen people under-estimate their bodyfat prior to having it tested - you can usually see abs at 10-14% bodyfat.
 
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To that I respond, I doubt you know what 6% bodyfat looks like. I can't tell you how many times i've seen people under-estimate their bodyfat prior to having it tested - you can usually see abs at 10-14% bodyfat.
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I agree @ 10-14 I can see ABS. More over 5'10" at 190 is pitiful; staying on for 5 months and and talking shit to a guy that gained more proportionally in 8 weeks is even more pitiful.

2 years ago I used to come to EF and read posts about people's experiences I miss those day, its like a bunch of fucken kids that do nothing but flame others for simply sharing one's experiences.

:(
 
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Who stayed on for 5 months? At least I'm tall enough to ride the roller coaster at disney land you little rug rat. Too bad there is nothing you can do to get any taller.

The only ass you handle is your boyfriends. Email me...you fucking fag. You need to work on your english skills you writing is horrible. Its like a 5 year old is having a temper tantrum dictated and posted on the net.

I'll ask you one more time show me some proof that enth is stronger and faster acting than prop. Also I never said tren enth didn't work you moron. Reading comprehension isn't one of your strong points...or maybe it is??
 
Dancer, you need to try reading my original post. Your opinion is only worth what is behind it.
 
bigmouth said:
has this product came out yet and if so has anyone tried it
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Here is the original post to the thread you skinny little HIV+ 190 pound wanna be 6%, 5'11" fag

what was my original post?

Let me put it this was. YOU ARE 190 POUNDS @ 5'11" you are either HIV+ or don't know what the fuck you are doing....

Everyone do exactly opposite of what skinny fag little HIV+ 190 pound wanna be 6%, 5'11" and you'll be alright.

Let see your pics you little HIV+ 190 pound wanna be 6%, 5'11" fag...

Read andy's post asshole you are not smarter than him, fucken 18 year-old HIV+ queer
 
You are 190 pounds at 5'11'' little man with a big mouth lets see your pics little faq....lol or try to see them anyways I know you are small
 
HEY LISTEN UP

You guys need to quit you flaming and bashing PERIOD. I don't care who is right or wrong, so grow up and be done with it right now.

If it continues the thread will be locked and you will be warned. Thanks, lets get back to the knowledge.
 
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What do the brothers think of a cycle of Test Suspension, Tren, Winny, EQ and either d-bol or bombs. I think I would be able to keep my blood levels even and should grow like a mofo.
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If you want to keep your blood levels even, then WHYYYYY are you using such short half-life AAS?????????

Andy13
AF Member
posted 05-07-2002 10:09 PM
Have you guys ever seen charts on this?

The longer the ester, the more STABLE the blood concentration. The shorter the more often you have to inject, the LEAST stable blood levels.

Look, when you inject, say, 1000mg of test enanthate, the HIGHEST blood levels you see will be ~24hrs after that injection.. And then it decreases from there.. The highest blood levels from ANY AAS are seen immediately, and then decrease from there. If you inject TE, it's not like you go a week and then BAM you hit max blood concentration.

Andy

Have you looked at ANY such graphs? Do you understand the concept of exponential decay?

Read my post again. I DIDN'T say ALL of the test is de-esterified in the first 24hrs. I said HIGHEST blood levels are seen after 24hrs, as depicted with the graph. The short, 2 hour half life of parent testosterone after the de-esterification is not relevant.

Yes, the esterified androgen released into the blood and is de-esterified. The RATE at which this happens is related to the amount in the depot. Different testosterone esters have different half lives b/c their RATE of release into the blood to be de-esterified is related to the length of the ester.

So many people think that when you inject 1000mg of t enanthate, that the whole 1000mg is floating around, binding ARs for the first week, then 500mg remains etc. 1000mg to 500mg at the half life is true for the DEPOT (unactive test) but not so for the ACTIVE, free testosterone.

My graph is a very accurate picture of blood T levels following a single injection of 250mg. Note that the blood-testosterone levels don't even get CLOSE to 250mg. In fact, the blood levels top out at only around 20-25mg (about 1 day after the injection, of course).

Andy
 
Do you understand the concept of exponential decay?
Andy's comments revolve around that basis.... the longer ester result in more steady blood levels and better gains... The depots from longer ester contribute to staboliztion VS. shorter esters which deplet,"sharply", quickly even if shot everyday there is no stable depots for slow release thus contributing to his argument.

Do you understand this? If not ask!
 
More over this same argument is used to explain the superior effects of Nutrophin, a GH product that is only shot once a month and releases 2.25 ius of GH ED, read Ironmaster's thread.

Do you understand this? If not ask!
 
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