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Chris29

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I'm on week 5 of human grade test E (500mg/w) out of 1ml human grade ampules,
and on week 4 of Tren E @ 250mg/w. This is my second cycle with the first one being just test E at 500mg/w (Where I never really saw any results other then fat gain).

I am 29 years old, 15-17%bf, 5'11, and 192lbs. I train intensly 4-5 days a week, and have a clean diet at about 3500cal/day, and get plenty of rest.

I am not feeling anything from this test or tren, I know its legit not only because I have friends on the same gear getting results, but I have started getting acne on my chest and back, more oily skin, and also some tren night sweats. But the whole cycle I didn't feel any better, if anything I feel worse with mood then when off cycle, I feel slightly depressed, with low libido. This is quite similar to my first cycle where I not no gains, also felt like crap, had low libido, (but no acne on chest cause was only on test e)

Is there such a thing as test just not working? technically, after the esters have been removed, the test should be identical to that of the body's endogenous test. So why isn't this workin?

I'm eating as much as I can, I'm always full, and yes some people say you can always eat more, but even if thats it, I should have made at least some strength gains? let me kno what you think... and why am I feeling like crap from it??
 
tren can make you feel like shit and lower your libido. Just depends on the person. if it makes you feel any better it took about 6 wks for my usual test/primo cycle to really start showing any results this time around. u'll need to up your calories a bit to put on weight. there is the pssblity you just got some lower dosed or bunk stuff, that would suck but 5 wks in you should atleast be stronger. If you don't see any change in a few days, i would just come off and start pct. there's no point in continuing a cycle that's fucking up ur libido, give you acne and make you feel like shit if you're not reaping any rewards from it.
 
Chris29 said:
I'm on week 5 of human grade test E (500mg/w) out of 1ml human grade ampules,
and on week 4 of Tren E @ 250mg/w. This is my second cycle with the first one being just test E at 500mg/w (Where I never really saw any results other then fat gain).

I am 29 years old, 15-17%bf, 5'11, and 192lbs. I train intensly 4-5 days a week, and have a clean diet at about 3500cal/day, and get plenty of rest.

I am not feeling anything from this test or tren, I know its legit not only because I have friends on the same gear getting results, but I have started getting acne on my chest and back, more oily skin, and also some tren night sweats. But the whole cycle I didn't feel any better, if anything I feel worse with mood then when off cycle, I feel slightly depressed, with low libido. This is quite similar to my first cycle where I not no gains, also felt like crap, had low libido, (but no acne on chest cause was only on test e)

Is there such a thing as test just not working? technically, after the esters have been removed, the test should be identical to that of the body's endogenous test. So why isn't this workin?

I'm eating as much as I can, I'm always full, and yes some people say you can always eat more, but even if thats it, I should have made at least some strength gains? let me kno what you think... and why am I feeling like crap from it??
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I can't speak for the Tren as I never used it, but when I started the Test E/C at 200mg per week I didn't notice anything until about week 8 other than libido increase. Nothing really physically looking. Then everything kicked in. I was using a pharmacy grade Test though so may want to verify what you have is legit and not expired. Sometimes they try and tell you that it good way past the expiration date, but the potency does fall off.
 
interesting. I will try to run it for another few weeks, and up my calories to above 4000, but if I still get nothing then I will PCT out of it. I may also try some test suspension just to see how my body reacts to bioidentical testosterone. Cause I once tried a slightly high does of HCG for a few days (during first cycle), and during that time I felt crazy good, aggressive, confident, really high sex drive.. So I can feel test obviously but maybe the estrification comes into effect somehow??? This is realy just a stab in the dark, but I'll expiriment around a bit.
 
Chris29 said:
I'm on week 5 of human grade test E (500mg/w) out of 1ml human grade ampules,
and on week 4 of Tren E @ 250mg/w. This is my second cycle with the first one being just test E at 500mg/w (Where I never really saw any results other then fat gain).

I am 29 years old, 15-17%bf, 5'11, and 192lbs. I train intensly 4-5 days a week, and have a clean diet at about 3500cal/day, and get plenty of rest.

I am not feeling anything from this test or tren, I know its legit not only because I have friends on the same gear getting results, but I have started getting acne on my chest and back, more oily skin, and also some tren night sweats. But the whole cycle I didn't feel any better, if anything I feel worse with mood then when off cycle, I feel slightly depressed, with low libido. This is quite similar to my first cycle where I not no gains, also felt like crap, had low libido, (but no acne on chest cause was only on test e)

Is there such a thing as test just not working? technically, after the esters have been removed, the test should be identical to that of the body's endogenous test. So why isn't this workin?

I'm eating as much as I can, I'm always full, and yes some people say you can always eat more, but even if thats it, I should have made at least some strength gains? let me kno what you think... and why am I feeling like crap from it??
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You may not be a strong responder (provided your gear is good).

My first time on Tren was phenomenal. Most people have similar experiences, I was using 300mg/week with maybe 600 or 750mg Test and I absolutely made serious body changes. It was maybe my 5th or 6th cycle.

Week 5, you should already have felt things changing

Possible reasons for failure

1-Your training is really bad
2-Your gear sucks
3-You need higher doses
4-Your diet is atrocious

I don't think your gear sucks by the sound of it, and at 3500 cals, you should see something. Your training may be off or you need higher doses.
 
BigAndy69 said:
You may not be a strong responder (provided your gear is good).

My first time on Tren was phenomenal. Most people have similar experiences, I was using 300mg/week with maybe 600 or 750mg Test and I absolutely made serious body changes. It was maybe my 5th or 6th cycle.

Week 5, you should already have felt things changing

Possible reasons for failure

1-Your training is really bad
2-Your gear sucks
3-You need higher doses
4-Your diet is atrocious

I don't think your gear sucks by the sound of it, and at 3500 cals, you should see something. Your training may be off or you need higher doses.
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Well look who's back,its been a long time bro!
 
actually tren will give you gains even if your diet isn't up to par. maybe you havn't given it time to work ?
 
BigAndy69 said:
Yes, too long. It's good to be back :D

And yes, Tren gives you gains even at 250mg of Tren Enanthate, first time user should be seeing results. It's odd because he's getting the night sweats.
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Good to have you back, yes it is odd about the night sweats.
 
I tend to have to use higher doses but even my first cycle of 500mg test / week I saw great gains. Have you had blood work done pre cycle?
 
same thing happened to me on my last cycle. i changed test brands. and then my cycle went to sh*t

i am gonna bet that your test is underdosed/bunk. the tren might be underdosed too, but its still kicking in enough to kill ur libido since you don't have test with it. in the future i would steer clear from this test brand. you should know by now which brand is good or not, i'm assuming since you are using tren this isn't your first or 2nd cycle. just stick with whats worked before
 
I dont give a shit what anyone else says. If you have any doubt whether your stuff is working or not, its probably seriously underdosed or bunk. I dont care if you know someone running the same stuff/batch. There is way too much of this crap going around, and people are going crazy trying to figure out why they are not getting results. I will say this again. There should be no doubt whatever if your stuff is legitt. Anyone that thinks it is something else is either bias or ill informed. I have gotten legit stuff from a place and ordered the very same thing a few months later and it was junk. There is no question, no substitute, PERIOD.
 
If your Tren is legit, your strength will go through the roof during week 2 to 3. For instance, you should be able to bench press a noticeable more amount of weight.
 
Jaxtwo1 said:
I dont give a shit what anyone else says. If you have any doubt whether your stuff is working or not, its probably seriously underdosed or bunk. I dont care if you know someone running the same stuff/batch. There is way too much of this crap going around, and people are going crazy trying to figure out why they are not getting results. I will say this again. There should be no doubt whatever if your stuff is legitt. Anyone that thinks it is something else is either bias or ill informed. I have gotten legit stuff from a place and ordered the very same thing a few months later and it was junk. There is no question, no substitute, PERIOD.
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I agree with you, but some are simply bad responders. This is only his 2nd cycle, and he did not like the gains off 500mg of HG test. I've seen it before, 2 guys on the same batch (homebrewed, exact same batch. One guy is on 500mg test/400mg EQ a week and blows up. He had a few cycles under his belt.

The other guy named H is a tremendous athlete, genetic freak. He never touched AAS. I decide to put him on a large first cycle - 750mg of Test, 400mg of EQ, 40mg Dbol ED. He only gains 5lbs. His dick stopped working. He never does AAS again.

The poster should try a different source to assess things more clearly.
 
BigAndy69 said:
His stuff could be underdosed.

Chris29, your friend is getting results? How much is he using? He could be a strong responder.
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Hes getting decent results, mostly strength gains for him so far.
I'm upping protein intake significantly, along with more intensity at the gym, and I'll give it a few more weeks, even if its underdosed I should get some results.. maybe it just takes much longer for me to kick in? I'll give it some time
 
Its highly unlikely the gear is bunk. but once again you can never be 100% sure.. The thing is that on my first cycle I ran two different brands of gear and noticed no difference between them, they both gave me mild test fever, and I definitely felt it in my system, but not in terms of gains and feeling great they didn't do anything... I also used dbol 40mg/day for the first two weeks to kick start. they were legit pressed blue hearts, (I split that bottle with another friend who got results off of it). and I didn't get shit from it. your sposed to blow up on dbol at that dose especially on a first cycle, even if it would be from bloat only. I didnt get any of that.

So eithier a tottal of four different reputable brands that I have used/am using are all bunk/severely under-dosed, or I just don't respond properly to AAS? Which would be rather odd considering it should be identical to naturally produced endogenous test.. has anyone heard of anything like this before?
 
and I have had bloodwork done just before I started, however I haven't had time to go to the doctors to see the results yet, I will so though. And estrogen seems controlled, no itchy nips, no gyno, and I do low dose of nolva to keep it at bay. Maybe I am a really bad responder/ it takes very long to kick in for me??
I'll run this another two weeks and see whats up
 
Chris, I've seen people who don't respond very well to AAS. Unfortunately, you seem to respond to the side effects. Tren should have crazy effects the first time around provide it's real. Even underdosed stuff back in the day that was labelled 75mg but was only 25mg still gave newbies results. Even underdosed, tren should give you results the first time around.

Give it 8 weeks, if you are not satisfied, do your PCT. Come back with another cycle maybe try NPP with Test and an oral. Up the doses significantly, and if you still don't respond, you decide if AAS is worth it for you.

I know 2 guys who don't respond whatsoever. (And yes, there diets and training are in check) One could only get from 170 to 180 and no more, and decided juice is not for him. The other one is hard headed and keeps juicing althought he gets nothing from it.
 
i have a buddy who also is a non-responder actually lost strength while on tren and test four weeks in he decided to PCT and has never touched them again... he is a genetic freak though... benched 475 in Highschool and had never even seen AAS.
 
give enanthate 6 weeks to kick I'm running primo and mast e didn't see any results from either till the 6th week be patient
 
You could be a slow responder like me. It takes me over 8 weeks to start feeling and even noticing the effects of Test E. This is mostly the reason why I always run 16 week cycles. I never understood why this happens to me, I guess everybody is just different.
 
I have done 2 cycles on test e/750mg a wk and tren e/300mg wk and gained like crazy after the first 2wks on, i really think maybe your gear is bad. Remeber all things equal the easiest answer is usually the right one, i would look at the gear.
 
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