Tren E ONLY cycle

[EZ_E]

I am interested in this two and I have some questions.

1.I know one major reason for using test is for E.D. Could this be corrected with Viagra? Would the E.D go away after the cycle once natural levels of test are back?

Can you be more specific on this? Test & Viagra are 2 different drugs used for different things...

2. Another reason why people say to do test is for the gains and because a estrogen steroid is needed.If this is the case, why does everyone block the estrogen when doing cycles with test via nolva or adex? I know the reason because of symptoms, but then why is a compound that aromatises needed?

"Estrogen Steriod?" What is this? Adex is usually kept in the bullpen just in case, everyone reacts differently to different compounds & the smart ones keep certain things on hand as a worst case thing....the issues with nolva are that times have changed and science has advanced passed noooooooolva...

3.Is it true that estrogen is needed for progesterone gyno? If so why does Nolva and an AI not work for estrogen and progesterone gyno?

4. Even if you disagree with a tren only cycle, how would you run PCT with it? How much bromo? During? Nolva for after the cycle?

Hard to answer, just not a smart move

5. If one was to run tren and test at the same time, would the gains be the same if they ran tren, and then test?

Impossible to answer, just becase you put more and more AAS into your body you're not guarenteed "better" results, it all depends on the person

6. Are Anthony Roberts amd Bill roberts still proponents of the short 2 week cycles? I wanted to try this with tren only. For the people who have tried this, do you have any suggestions? I am especially curious about PCT + tren +short cycle. I of course would use tren acetate and would not expect freakish gains, but decent gains with say 2 weeks on, and 3 weeks off.

Short cycles can be great, easier to recover from and yes you'd wanna use the short esters...Are you suggesting going 2 weeks on 3 weeks off & repeating year round? I feel like 5 weeks would be the shortest you could go, you could still see nice gains and in theory run more cycles per year....butagain; more isn't always better and tren only just isn't a good idea...


Thanks for your help input !

Also, let's everyone not get into a pissing match...

~EZ

 

[charlesm26]

EZ,

So no Nolva for PCT, or during cycle.Ok, I will stay away from that then with Tren.

Viagra would be used for limp Dic* as I have heard that tren can make one go limp without testosterone? Would Viagra not help without test?

Should I only take a progesterone blocker if I see sides coming on? Just as a safety precaution instead of preventative?

Your experience tells you that 5 weeks gives you good gains and fast recovery, but anything less does not give you good enough gains?
I will take that into consideration.

The reason why I was thinking 2 weeks is because Anthony Roberts mentioned that anything more than 2 weeks suppresses your recovery system to a point that more than 2 weeks on the suppression would be no different than a longer cycle recovery therefore eliminating the benefit of the short cycle. But in your opnion, 5 weeks on, recover is still fast recovery EZ?

 

[Ripp42]

I think I didn't phrase some questions right.I know why nolva would not be ran as an AI. It stops estrogen from binding, does not stop the conversion.To stop the conversion adex or letro would be needed, I know with tren-A, estrogen should not be the enemy, progesterone is. Progesterone can be blocked with Bromo? Ok,...so that means if I didn't use bromo, and I did use a No-No like Nolva, progesterone side effects could still form because the body would still have estrogen (even if it is blocked) to form the progesterone? But if I use letro (.25-.5) it would lower my estrogen next to zero which would stop progesterone from forming? Thus making progesterone gyno nearly impossible to get? BUT, then I would be using letro, and tren, which would both give me ED problems?

I thought if I ran short cycles, my body would recover much faster but I would gain less immediately but would lose less of my gains, and this would be the trade off. I'll be getting testerone levels checked before I do anything.I'll be pinning everyday to keep blood levels in check.
Do you think doing short cycles is harder on the body than doing a long one because I would be doing more ON, and Offs regularly?

Yes, the shorter cycles you will recover faster but they say on/off/on/off is whats hard on us too. Put it this way race car then your every day car. Which motor will last longer? Your putting your body thru more stress. Your flooring your body then off/on/off right when your body is barley adjusting then your telling it no then yes again.

Tren A you will barley start to see results on day 14 and then your gonna throw it out wait two weeks and start again. Tren A should only be ran 06 weeks imo 08 at longest so just run it then get off.

Letro no. ED as a side too! Just know this Letro and Nolva are never to (never need to) be used unless your buddy gyno shows up. Otherwise not needed. For Tren and Deca you NEVER use Nolva if gyno shows only letro. So in your case keep letro on hand buy some Adex and Forma Stanzol from Mr.Supps along with pct/unleashed for your pct and you can cont. to run Forma during pct too.

What do I run on cycle? Forma or Adex or both. Do I need both? No, one is good. I'd buy both just to have on hand. If it's too long we can cut it to the right length but if it's too short well..... you get it.

No need to pin ED EOD is enough. If you've never took Tren b4 you could do with 250-300 ah week. I ran 360 ah week 120x3 injects and the shit had me crazy with no side other than mean ass agression, insomia, sweats.

If you can you should also have T3-T4, cortizol levels checked. Tren is a nasty NASTY compound! Messes with you natty (LH) like no other! Also you cortizol which boils down to your T-3/T4 levels along with Taurine. I believe it's 19Nor like deca if i remember right.

Taking a light dose of T3 at 12.5 or 25mg a day would not be a bad idea either. If you do then buy a T3 pct from Mr.Supps.

When I run Tren I....

9000mg of fish/krill/flaxseed oil
1000mg of vit. c
25mg of t3 This stuff is a must on Tren imo!
1000mg of taurine
600mg of b6
N2Guard

multi vit
600mg of magneesium
1000mg b-3
500-1000mg of b12

Drink diet cranberry juice too or buy cranberries and throw them in with your protein drink for extra Kedney protection.

All I can think of off the top of my head.

 

[Ripp42]

EZ,

So no Nolva for PCT, or during cycle.Ok, I will stay away from that then with Tren.

Viagra would be used for limp Dic* as I have heard that tren can make one go limp without testosterone? Would Viagra not help without test?

Should I only take a progesterone blocker if I see sides coming on? Just as a safety precaution instead of preventative?

Your experience tells you that 5 weeks gives you good gains and fast recovery, but anything less does not give you good enough gains?
I will take that into consideration.

The reason why I was thinking 2 weeks is because Anthony Roberts mentioned that anything more than 2 weeks suppresses your recovery system to a point that more than 2 weeks on the suppression would be no different than a longer cycle recovery therefore eliminating the benefit of the short cycle. But in your opnion, 5 weeks on, recover is still fast recovery EZ?

Viagra? You can but you should be using HCG during cycle to help keep your natty producing LH to counter act limp dick and an ai to counter act limp dick. If you start getting limp dick it would more than likely be high prolactin (maybe hbp but you'd prob. be dizzier than shit b4 that but not in all cases) which is why you will be using Adex during cycle or and or Forma.

Would Viagra help w/o Test? Yes, or Cialas, IPT-141.

Should I only take a blocker is you see gyno coming? Yes, you only need to run Adex or Forma as mentioned. If you run Letro during cycle your just setting your dick up for failure!

Yes, you can get great gains in 05-06 weeks from Tren. A. Anything less does not gv you good gains? Well thats up to you your hard work, diet, and your goal. You may be happy with results with just those 14 days. If so stop if you want but why not max it out?

What Mr. Roberts mentioned. It's like this it's true to a extent imo. Your giving you body more of what it would normally produce so:
your body: wtf is this?
your body: we're getting more from some where else
your body: well we're getting enough
your body: we really don't need to produce as much
your body: produce less, less, less, less, ea. day.

I don't care if you inject 1 time one week @ 50-250mg of Test or what ever it is. Bottom line is your body sees something that it already has naturally so it tries to suppress more and more cause it's confused so self to speak. So little by little it will slow.

Look up the broken window theory great concept. One broken window and what happens? Soon anther will be broke. Then anther, then anther but time went by right? So the theory of his is some what right cause one window will take longer to fix then 3 right? Also it took some time to get 03 broken windows right? See where this is going?

 

[EZ_E]

EZ,

So no Nolva for PCT, or during cycle.Ok, I will stay away from that then with Tren.

Viagra would be used for limp Dic* as I have heard that tren can make one go limp without testosterone? Would Viagra not help without test?

You're making it way too complicated, Just don't run tren alone.

Should I only take a progesterone blocker if I see sides coming on? Just as a safety precaution instead of preventative?

Generally yes, are you prone? Do you have a cycle history? I'm a believer in less is more and not using the whole kitche sink unless necessary...

Your experience tells you that 5 weeks gives you good gains and fast recovery, but anything less does not give you good enough gains?

No, that was just a suggestion. I've heard of guys doing 3 week cycles...if I was going to do a short one I'd probably go with a mimimum of 5 weeks..but to bumo the point made earleir that doesn't mean someone should do 5 on, 10 off year round....

I will take that into consideration.

The reason why I was thinking 2 weeks is because Anthony Roberts mentioned that anything more than 2 weeks suppresses your recovery system to a point that more than 2 weeks on the suppression would be no different than a longer cycle recovery therefore eliminating the benefit of the short cycle. But in your opnion, 5 weeks on, recover is still fast recovery EZ?

It's a fine line, a short cycle can give you nice gains and easy recovery, but you have to be very specific with what you run....the new school methods of on cycle support and PCT make it easier to be able to run a bit longer cycle, recover better, and keep gains

There's no perfect answer either, what may work for one guy may not work for the next guy and etc...

Now I have a question for you;

Do you have a cycle in mind? If so let's see it...

~EZ