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Tren bashing

krishna

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I've noticed lately that a lot of guys are currently on tren, or have been recently, including myself. I've also noticed that there has been some bashing and complaining about tren and it's effects or lack thereof. I myself have complained a little about mood and dreams. I just want to set the record straight and say that tren is a very amazing compound. I am finishing week 4 of my tren/test cycle and I am very pleased with my results so far. I hope none of you guys who were considering trying it have decided not to over a few minor complaints. I highly recommend the trenny tren tren. Peace!
 
The Terminator said:
Its reading about those side effects so often that helps keep me from using Tren...
(That's part of it anyway ;))
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Ya I'm still hangin on to the memory of what it's like to have a normal mood, but other than that I love the stuff. I don't think it's that I'm in a bad mood necessarily, just a little wacked out that's all.
 
Tren definitley has more of a psychological effect on me than any other steroid i have used. I notice mood changes and i get crazy dreams unlike any other time.
 
n1tro said:
Tren definitley has more of a psychological effect on me than any other steroid i have used. I notice mood changes and i get crazy dreams unlike any other time.
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That's exactly how it's affecting me too - crazy dreams and mood changes. I sweat a lot at random times too.
 
It seems to illicit more side effects than ANY other steroid, however the users almost always say it gives THE BEST gains as well...:)
There is NO doubt in my mind that it is the strongest steroid on the market today :)
(atleast as far as AR binding capabilities goes ;))
 
The Terminator said:
It seems to illicit more side effects than ANY other steroid, however the users almost always say it gives THE BEST gains as well...:)
There is NO doubt in my mind that it is the strongest steroid on the market today :)
(atleast as far as AR binding capabilities goes ;))
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Do you think it's stronger than anadrol?
 
I loved the stuff. Dropped 4% in bodyfat. Gained muscle on HUGE caloric defiicit. No trouble sleeping, no night sweats, same laid back self that never got more aggrevated or more aggresive.

Did have high BP though, breathed heavy, upped the temp a little, and had some CRAZY ass dreams...but those were pretty fun b/c I'd wake up like wtf was I just dreamin??

I'd definitely recommend it. ;)
 
yea...my dreams are pretty far out there too....i also noticed that ive begun to sweat alot more while training...but im def getting stronger and dropping bf....which is crucial bc i had added a few lbs of fat while bullking
 
krishna said:
Do you think it's stronger than anadrol?
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For purely LEAN MUSCLE tissue I would say yes...

Though remember I havent used Tren (so I am going off the anecdotes of everyone else :))...Though Anadrol put size on me like nothing else :p (which I lost most of, as soon as cessation of the drug took place :o)
 
on Tren/Prop right now. 75mg ED of each. Dieted in weeks 2 and 3 and all of a sudden thought to myself 'whoa, im a lot leaner than i expected at this point', so im extending my cycle from 8 to probably 10 weeks and am gonna bulk for 3-4 weeks and then finish up with 3-4 weeks of hard cutting. Sides have been less pronounced than last time I used it as well. Have never had the night sweats or insomnia and my mood has been pretty even keel this time as compared to last time when i'd have 38 mood swings during the day.
 
anyone notice that they get worse sides from differnt esters?....id figure theyd be the same since its all trenbolone.....all ive done is acetate though so i dont know
 
I have been reading all these posts your talking about and my next cycle includes 8 weeks of tren. It doesn't make me think about not doing it but I sure do wonder what am I getting myself into? Either way I still can't wait.
 
test/tren combo is hands down my favorite. I don't see the huge gains that I do from test/deca, but I can attribute that to the minimal water retention.

Even though I don't gain as much as maybe some other cycles, I somehow look bigger. I weigh less then I did last summer after a test/deca cycle, but I look bigger and harder then I did then.

I guess I'm lucky, but besides night sweats I don't have any other sides
 
Apexx said:
test/tren combo is hands down my favorite. I don't see the huge gains that I do from test/deca, but I can attribute that to the minimal water retention.

Even though I don't gain as much as maybe some other cycles, I somehow look bigger. I weigh less then I did last summer after a test/deca cycle, but I look bigger and harder then I did then.

I guess I'm lucky, but besides night sweats I don't have any other sides
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Yep..I'm on test/tren and deca....I havent gained one pound and I'm starting to get alot of "are you on steriods ?" accusations.
 
Okay, I don't take Tren anymore cuz of insomnia and night sweats. Both sides suck big time. However, I am not a Tren basher. It's a fuckin awesome compound. makes you stronger, leaner, harder, and more vascular. It's just that the sides are too much for me. Some people tolerate certain sides better than others and some don't get sides at all really. Depends on the individual. All AAS effect people differently. and as far as attitude change or psychological changes, only time it made me more agressive was in the gym, even while cutting I was ready to tackle the weights. I never got Tren dick either, although I always stacked it with test. Deca used to get a lot of bad press, now the trend has shifted to Tren. It's awesome, just not for everyone. Just like Winny gives some people sore joints, it doesn't for me. Each person reacts differently. Don't knock it till you tried it.
 
I've used Tren in the past, so this is not an uninformed comment. Tren is an amazing compound, but it's a very strong compound. To all whom are considering taking Tren, do your research on possible sides. With great results often come consequences (in this case, sides). But in my opinion, the sides are a small price to pay for the great results of this compound.
 
i hate tren. Makes me too moody and for lack of a better way of putting it, it makes me feel like something is wrong with me.

I personally do better on an test prop/anavar stack then a tren based stack.

don't get me wrong, it's good, but I still think the mythic light that surrounds it is a bit exagerated.
 
view said:
i hate tren. Makes me too moody and for lack of a better way of putting it, it makes me feel like something is wrong with me.

I personally do better on an test prop/anavar stack then a tren based stack.

don't get me wrong, it's good, but I still think the mythic light that surrounds it is a bit exagerated.
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LOL....it does kind of make me feel like something isn't right in the mood department too, but I use that to humor myself so it isn't so bad. Talk about messed up dreams. Right before I woke up this morning, I was dreaming that this girl I know cleaned my room and stole all my gear. I was raging hard but she wouldn't give it back. Man what a crappy way to start the day. This has been a common theme for me since I started the tren. I was breaking all her things and throwing her around in my dream too to try to get her to give me my stuff back. Dreams like that are just wrong!
 
I am on trenny tren right now pre-contest. It's all I'm on, I dropped the test a week and a half ago. It's hard to say if it's the tren or the pre-contest diet that's affecting my mood. I'm inclined to think it's the diet, because it always makes me feel like hell. I do know the insomnia is absolutely unbearable, I am using something to counteract that now though so it's all good.
 
I love the Trenny Tren Trenz......its some good stuff. The very first time I used it I had every side imaginable....and it started to really suck waking up everymorning like I had just run a goddamn marathon in my sleep (night sweats). This is my 4th time cycling Tren...and I havn't had near the amount of sides...if any....compared to my very first use. It is an aweome compund...but I am noticing now that I get frustrated a little easier than normal. So check it...the other day I couldn't find my can opener...so there I am fumbling around with opening a can of tuna with this pocket knife type can opener...With every punch I put into the can I started to get more frustrated...which by the 10th punch in the can threw me into this huge fit of rage! I ended up saying fuck it!....threw the can and that cheap ass girl scout can opener into the trash...stormed out of the house....and went to the gym.....so yeah...week 9 of a treny tren cycle...and i'm acting like a total bitch! Its almost over...but i'd do it again in a heart beat!
 
Currently starting 2nd week of tri-trenabol (300 mg/week) and 3rd week of 50mg/ED oral winstrol and absolutely loving it. I can already tell big changes. A definate neccessity for cutting cycles in my opinion. Just keep your water intake at 1-2 gallons of water per day cause of the toxicity. A little milk thistle will help also in preventing your liver & kidneys from being hurt.
 
vandelman said:
I love the Trenny Tren Trenz......its some good stuff. The very first time I used it I had every side imaginable....and it started to really suck waking up everymorning like I had just run a goddamn marathon in my sleep (night sweats). This is my 4th time cycling Tren...and I havn't had near the amount of sides...if any....compared to my very first use. It is an aweome compund...but I am noticing now that I get frustrated a little easier than normal. So check it...the other day I couldn't find my can opener...so there I am fumbling around with opening a can of tuna with this pocket knife type can opener...With every punch I put into the can I started to get more frustrated...which by the 10th punch in the can threw me into this huge fit of rage! I ended up saying fuck it!....threw the can and that cheap ass girl scout can opener into the trash...stormed out of the house....and went to the gym.....so yeah...week 9 of a treny tren cycle...and i'm acting like a total bitch! Its almost over...but i'd do it again in a heart beat!
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LOL... that's the spirit. I'm sure I'll do it again on my next cutter too.
 
Hey Krish.....with your mastry of the mind, body, and soul...i'm sure you'll have no problem controlling that freak-nasty pissed off beast called Tren!!!! God I love it! Seriously though bro...i'm such a totally laid back guy....normally i'd just "turn the other cheek" and seek out the path of least resistance...but this particular tren cycle for some reason if some mutha F#$er even looks at me wrong I get this uncontrolable urge to march right over there stick some tooth picks in his eyes!!!! :freak: :smash: LOL....on the real though......its not that bad......but the shit is noticeable!
 
Ya I totally know what you're saying. I can control the rage pretty well during the day when I interact with people. Maybe that's why it all comes out in my dreams. I am a lot more impatient with things too like you and your tuna can...haha. I can totally relate.
 
I'll be honest, I can't wait to be off of everything (and be off of my pre-contest diet) and do my PCT after my shows. I'm tired of fighting my mood. I have had some very intense personal happenings in my life of late. Other things have become more important. I need to focus on those things before I even consider drugs again. They too easily can become a distraction from personal problems. Today when I went to do my daily shot of tren I realized I was a slave to it. I don't like that.
 
silverbackn said:
I'll be honest, I can't wait to be off of everything (and be off of my pre-contest diet) and do my PCT after my shows. I'm tired of fighting my mood. I have had some very intense personal happenings in my life of late. Other things have become more important. I need to focus on those things before I even consider drugs again. They too easily can become a distraction from personal problems. Today when I went to do my daily shot of tren I realized I was a slave to it. I don't like that.
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Ya it'll be nice to take a break from it all once your show is done.
 
krishna said:
Ya it'll be nice to take a break from it all once your show is done.
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It will be much needed! I am not regretting what I do or have done, just right now there are other things that need my undivided attention. I am still excited about my shows, it just is very consuming mentally and physically. My priorities have changed.
 
My next cycle will be 400mg/400mg Test EN/Tren En for 10-12 weeks.
Still debating orals to put in. I will probly run dbol the first 6-8 weeks, then maybe a cutting agent the weeks the test and tren are wearing off (after the last shots).
Halo or Tbol, dont know yet but want to try tbol. The crash on halo is fuckin wicked.
 
Mavafanculo said:
if any of you guys using tren is prone to male pattern baldness, has it given you a problem?
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I don't think I'm prone, but it hasn't given me a problem. Maybe a tiny bit thinner all around but not receding line so it's probably just some mild TE. Your avatar gives me a headache.
 
Don't forget a lot guys cut with tren and cutting, especially after a few weeks or really especially after a few months, can make anyone cranky. Don't confuse the two.
 
Ya you're right Slyder. This is my first real time toying with cutting, as well as my first time with tren, so the combination is probably making me a little off my rocker.
 
My first cycle of tren. My DVD player kept skipping, I punched the lamp, jumped up beat the fuck out of the DVD player. Then went to the hospital when I saw the blood squirting out of my hand like a fountain. Went to the bathroom and ran it under water, could see lots of bones. Got 12 stiches. Kept a peice of the lamp as a momento. On tren right now aswell, bought double the dose. Please pray for me.
 
i love it. mny only fear is it will no longer be easily obtainable. they will catch on sometime and then where will we be. back to the underground. but i would never quit using tren. it has been the best thing i have ever done. i for some reason do not get a lot of sides like i hear. on my first cycle i didnt even do pct and nothing happened. yes call me lucky but even on sust/dbol/tren i still didnt get any sides besides a little acne and a new body. my wife loves the results. i get complemented on wherever i go. a cashier asked me if i workout everyday. i laughed and said i should be. because of an ankle injury i have been out of the gym for quite a while b ut i still turn heads and get those complements. that one from the cashier was 2 days ago. wait till i get done with my next cycle, shes gonna drop her pants and say take me now. lol. i love tren.............
 
On week 6, 100 mg EOD, no real problems to speak of, a little acne at first, but that could be the test...a little more agitated than normal, but I haven't killed anyone...no insomnia, no bad dreams. The gains are good even though I'm not eating any more than usual.
 
Hmmm Here are my Tren Sides:

Get really Lean
Get Really Strong
Get really horny (I know, this makes no sense)
Able to fuck twice as long
Sweat at night and sporadic sleep.

I won't even do a cycle without either Tren Ace or Tren Enan, anymore.
 
rdawson1 said:
Currently starting 2nd week of tri-trenabol (300 mg/week) and 3rd week of 50mg/ED oral winstrol and absolutely loving it. I can already tell big changes. A definate neccessity for cutting cycles in my opinion. Just keep your water intake at 1-2 gallons of water per day cause of the toxicity. A little milk thistle will help also in preventing your liver & kidneys from being hurt.
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There is no toxicity with Tren Acetate or Enanthate. Also, it has zero effect on your liver. This is an old misnomer that is constantly repeated ad nauseum and now has become gospel. Trenbolone Hydrohexacarbonate or Parabolan was the original tren compound. The ester in Parabolan was extremely toxic. Many assumed it was the Trenbolone itself that caused the toxicity... but it was the ester.

I have run at least 8 cycles on Tren Ace or Tren Enan and always get blood work before during and after.... in no instance has my liver enzymes or kidneys shown any adverse effects... in fact in some cases they improved. I always drink a gallon to a gallon and a half of water... but I don't waste money on supps.... it isn't necessary.
 
shit I got fatty liver for taking too much supplements bro while on cycle even off cycle. now I can't juice until the fat disapears from my liver, my doctor told me that it wasn't the test deca or gh but the supps. I been off for 6 months now and I have to go get checked again on august.

SO BROS DON'T TAKE TOO MUCH SUPPS IS BAD... TOO MUCH GOOD STUFF IS BAD.

ass_face said:
but I don't waste money on supps.... it isn't necessary.
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That drug scares the shit out of me, would love to try it, but the sides seem to outweigh the good points.

Mick
 
Raffaz said:
That drug scares the shit out of me, would love to try it, but the sides seem to outweigh the good points.

Mick
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Its not that bad bro.....seriously.....just start out with a low dosage ED...i'm quite sure you wont have any sides with a very low dose....I seen one guy on here taking something like 30mg of Tren ED and still made gains he considered descent.....just slowly up the doseg everyday....and see how you feel....you'll know if and when the sides hit you....then just back off if you don't like how your feeling. I'd hate to pass up a really effective compound only because of what you heard......try it bro...you might like it!
 
vandelman said:
Its not that bad bro.....seriously.....just start out with a low dosage ED...i'm quite sure you wont have any sides with a very low dose....I seen one guy on here taking something like 30mg of Tren ED and still made gains he considered descent.....just slowly up the doseg everyday....and see how you feel....you'll know if and when the sides hit you....then just back off if you don't like how your feeling. I'd hate to pass up a really effective compound only because of what you heard......try it bro...you might like it!
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Im normally like that mate, check my posts. I always say that people react different to different compounds, but that drug worries me for some reason, not sure why though.

Mick
 
jeb0177 said:
shit I got fatty liver for taking too much supplements bro while on cycle even off cycle. now I can't juice until the fat disapears from my liver, my doctor told me that it wasn't the test deca or gh but the supps. I been off for 6 months now and I have to go get checked again on august.

SO BROS DON'T TAKE TOO MUCH SUPPS IS BAD... TOO MUCH GOOD STUFF IS BAD.
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I totally agree with this... I had a bro who was juicing as well as using every freaking supplement he could get his hands on... he got colitis and some other health problems and it was all due to the over supplementation.... And a lack of healthy diet. He was so reliant on supplementation that he was not getting enough fiber and other nutrients that can only be absorbed with good whole foods.

Good Organic Foods, Free Range Chicken, Farm raised eggs... Whole Goats Milk... etc... spend a little extra and get your nutrients the right way, from food. You will be surprised how much better you feel.
 
ass_face said:
I totally agree with this... I had a bro who was juicing as well as using every freaking supplement he could get his hands on... he got colitis and some other health problems and it was all due to the over supplementation.... And a lack of healthy diet. He was so reliant on supplementation that he was not getting enough fiber and other nutrients that can only be absorbed with good whole foods.

Good Organic Foods, Free Range Chicken, Farm raised eggs... Whole Goats Milk... etc... spend a little extra and get your nutrients the right way, from food. You will be surprised how much better you feel.
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Ya I've cut back a lot too. Pretty much just whole foods, multi's, and glutamine. Sometimes I hop on glucosamine/chondroitin when I'm bulking.
 
jeb0177 said:
shit I got fatty liver for taking too much supplements bro while on cycle even off cycle. now I can't juice until the fat disapears from my liver, my doctor told me that it wasn't the test deca or gh but the supps. I been off for 6 months now and I have to go get checked again on august.

SO BROS DON'T TAKE TOO MUCH SUPPS IS BAD... TOO MUCH GOOD STUFF IS BAD.
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what were the supps that you were on? did you also have elevated liver enzymes?

btw, fyi "fatty liver" is a diagnosis of exclusion unless you've actually had it confirmed with a liver biopsy.
 
Two questions:

1. What dosage of tren enanth do most of you use when running with test? I added it into a test (400 enanth per week) cycle around week 9 (I know, late). I've been taking about 350 tren enanth per week with the test, about 3.5 weeks in. Can't say I notice much of anything other than a little extra strength gain, and maybe a little more trouble sleeping (I'm a horrible sleeper anyway...).

2. My tren is UG. Is there actually a 'human' or 'vet' grade still available (not asking for a source)? I was under the impression that it (fina?) wasn't made anymore?

thx!
 
My enzymes were ok with in the normal range, what came out high was the AST and ALt levels. tris. came out hight too. I was diagnost with the fatty liver through a CT scan with oral and IV contrast, I will go back on august to get another CT scan and they will decide if I need a biopsy, I felt really good actually and I starting partying socially and it made me feel a bit of pain in my liver area I just stoped drinking period and eating real clean almost no fat at all. I been training though I haven't stop ever since that happened, but the other thing they found it about it (FL) because I started feeling dizzy and strong head aches and when I went I had blood test done and they found out that I had a really big infection called the H. Pilory and I had to take almost 6g (PREV-PAC) of antibiotics a day besides of what I was taking. then when i went back everything was out of wack! fuck.... I want to start juicing again but I have to wait, I have test,dbo,gh kit 100ius, deca,cabaser and tren. I ordered some goodies that I didn't have in this 6 months so i'm ready I just have to wait for the other study.

i was taking

test
gh
multi-vitamin
b-12
flax seed caps
vitamin E
glutamine
finasteride
femara
nolvadex
accutane
PREV-PAC <antibiotic 6g/d for 2wk



Mavafanculo said:
what were the supps that you were on? did you also have elevated liver enzymes?

btw, fyi "fatty liver" is a diagnosis of exclusion unless you've actually had it confirmed with a liver biopsy.
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bigrand said:
dont like the accutane in there
AST and ALT elevated enzymes are associated with liver damage and stress.
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Or... using your liver. I did a little experiment with my idiotic Doc. He was always concerned because my ALT and AST were a little elevated. After doing research on Pub Med I saw a few studies that show that strenuous weightlifting and protein consumption can mimic the signs of liver damage.

My Doc was concerned... I told him I planned on not training for 2 weeks and I was just going to live like an average humanoid during that time. No heavy protein etc... Took a blood test at the end of the 2 week period... and my enzymes were perfect. Very low.

A better indicator is Bilurubin and GGot. ALT and AST are a very poor indicator and doctors not used to dealing with strength trained individuals need to be educated before scheduling biopsies.
 
Depends on the AST/ALT values. Even though these are elevated in myocardial infarction and muscle disorders, its usually at a lower level. Liver cells are lysed and ALT mainly is released into plasma in high levels, usually easy to tell. ALT is a better indicator because the liver is already rich in AST and cell lysis is what drives ALT up.
There can be other causes of increased serum billirubin, it manifests itself becasue lack of hepatic conjugation and excretion of billirubin......massive RBC lysis can cause this.

Keep an eye on ALT, if its quite high (dont know the #s you would look for offhand), its probly the accutane.

BTW, the H.Pylori infection you had, its an Ulcer! 8-)
 
Yeah, tren/test is a badass combo. I did it for my last one and didn't gain all that much weight, but looked totally different. That stuff completely changes your body composition. The only thing was that I get really bloated off of test (put on 10 lbs first week off of 500 mgs sust) and didn't run any anti-e's so I didn't fully notice the effects until after a few weeks off my cycle. As soon as that water went away, god damn. That shit turns me into a wackjob though, moody and extremely prone to going off on just about anyone for anything. I walked around with that "look at me wrong and I'll kill you" look in my eye for 10 wks.
 
jay1 said:
Yep..I'm on test/tren and deca....I havent gained one pound and I'm starting to get alot of "are you on steriods ?" accusations.
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same for me. I'm at a point in my life where I can't really gain much more weight and maintain it throughout the year, but with tren I still see nice improvements in size, vascularity, and oh my! the strength gains for me are big. Too bad they don't all last but they don't all go away either. I've had nothing more than night sweats to complain about, and that's hardly worth complaining about compared to the trademark sides of some other widely used compounds.
 
Also, if you mean GOT (glutamate oxaloacetate transaminase), its the same as AST and not as good an indicator as ALT (also called GPT).

I cant wait to jump on this tren enth at 400mg a week 10 weeks. Ive done it transdermally, but this will be the real deal
 
bigrand said:
Keep an eye on ALT, if its quite high (dont know the #s you would look for offhand), its probly the accutane.

BTW, the H.Pylori infection you had, its an Ulcer! 8-)
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yep it causes ulcers, I didn't have any signs of ulcers though since I went to get a overall blood test that's how they found out, they did an endoscopy and they didn't find nothing of ulcers but the good thing is that they found out about my liver being fatty. maybe it was a sign to stop taking too much shit huh? :p I will stick just to test, tren and gh. take my cabaser & femara my hcg shots and that's it! and of course my pct ancies.
 
Raffaz said:
Im normally like that mate, check my posts. I always say that people react different to different compounds, but that drug worries me for some reason, not sure why though.

Mick
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I'm with you bro, I've done halo in the past which is considered pretty nasty but tren flat out scares the shit out of me. What scares me the most is the libido crash. I've taken deca iin the past and after experiencing deca dick, i never wanna go through that again.

You wanna get cut up like a razor. Train hard, diet right, and try a
test prop/tbol/masteron/proviron combo. thats next years cutter for me.
 
jay1 said:
Yep..I'm on test/tren and deca....I havent gained one pound and I'm starting to get alot of "are you on steriods ?" accusations.
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bro i know exactly what you are saying. i've been on eq/deca for a while now, and my weight still fluctuates up and down a few pounds each week, but all in all, i've put on less than 4-5 lbs yet somehow everyone keeps telling me how much bigger i've gotten (and of course how fucking red i am, i must be in the sun :) ) and am "i taking that shit again cause you look swole"
i dont see it myself, i look at my arms and think i'm skinny as fuck and everyone tells me it's obvious i'm on steroids why dont i admit to it...
 
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